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Tango

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« on: 06 September 2008, 01:18:11 pm »
An escort friend of mine has manage to get herself into a little bit of trouble with the law and I was wondering if anybody could help.

She started work last year, registered to pay tax, and is due to send in her first return shortly. Her income for the few months that she worked until April only just covered her rental expenses, and in all likelyhood she will not have to pay any tax for last year as she would be under the ~5000 limit. She operates within the law. She works for herself, by herself. There are no maids or agencies involved, she rents the flat by herself in her own name.

Despite this, she has managed to get herself on the radar and is being investigate by the police. The police have taken the softly, softly approach so far. They have said that they would like to invite her for an interview her next week.

Does anybody have details of support services or solicitors who are familiar with the murky world of escorting (on a professional level) who might be able to listen to her situations and give advice?

Many, many thanks in advance.

Tango

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« Reply #1 on: 06 September 2008, 01:37:39 pm »
From my understanding I don't see anything illegal with that. Does she share with other working girls using the same facilities? This would be illegal in other words a brothel.

I am really not good on law but maybe XW5 will come along I think he is better at law than me lol.

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« Reply #2 on: 06 September 2008, 02:26:50 pm »
I believe the IUSW can offer legal advice and support. She'd probably have to join first but the fees aren't much.

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« Reply #3 on: 06 September 2008, 02:29:42 pm »
@Isabella

No - She is totally and 100% independent. There is no question of her stepping out of line on that side of things but they are only just starting to investigate so they probably suspect a lot worse than is actual fact. Her only possible problem is to do with the money/tax side of things. She hadn't banked all (much) cash, and had been keeping it safe elsewhere. The police got hold of it, and initiated the investigation. There wasn't a lot of cash in the grand scheme of things, and it only just covered her expenses to date, but they are still investigating her. It's not undeclared income as she is still to fill in the tax return.

This is such a shit job for her. She has to put up with some much crap and has to deal with some real scum bags at times. She's also managed to pick up a crazy stalker recently who, given what he has said in some texts, has definately spotted her when out and about with friends, and keeps threatening to rape her and beat up any friends he sees her with. She's had to work so hard for hardly any profit so far, and to see her in trouble with the police on top of all the crap she takes day in day out is just heartbreaking.

I don't see what she has done wrong, but the police are going to want to interview her soon and I want to prepare her as best I can. I don;t want her to lose everything she works so hard for.

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« Reply #4 on: 06 September 2008, 02:37:55 pm »
@ Anika Mae

I've just taken a look and I will definitely have a word with them - Thanks.

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« Reply #5 on: 06 September 2008, 03:51:07 pm »
Hi again well I really wouldn't see why the police would want to interview your friend. Perhaps they think stashing cash elsewhere and them finding it well policemen can have suspicious minds.

If shes no making any profit what is she offering a quickie for ?10 sorry what does she charge? Or is it the fact the rent is alot. Anyway I can understand your worried especially as not all men are kind some are weird let alone wrong in the head but it really is her choice. Although its good you support her I told someone and they flipped.

I think if I was her I would attend it keep them sweet explain and then seriously what will the police have to go by nothing. If she has documents in her name for the reantal of the flat plus evidence of tax then there should be no problem. Often prositution can be illegal in some aspects and others not and so the police may be misreading a situation that is totally wrong. You could try supporting your friend with regards to the police but other than that I haven't got a clue. Some policemen are beep beep lol.

If shes being stalked tell her to change her sim card get a new number and advertise with a new alias name. Generally she should of saved her past clients numbers and if she wants can quickly give them a text saying this is my new number and have decided to take an alias name up - they won't know the truth. He needs to be told to go saying about rape thats seriously freaky and she does realise she can be protected via the police although at this stage the situation with them needs to be sorted before. I would report him for stalking/harassment but then thats just my opinion.

Good luck, Isabella.

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« Reply #6 on: 06 September 2008, 04:45:51 pm »
Going by what you say alone, that really is odd. She is doing nothing wrong and I don't understand why the police want to interview her. I'm wondering if a disgruntled customer or jealous ex-friend has dobbed her in. With the common misconception that prostitution is illegal, they probably think she's breaking the law and thinks she should get her comeuppance.
With the way she's working, and with nobody else sharing the flat, she's above board and isn't doing anything wrong.

If anything, she should be reporting that arsehole for threatening to rape her. That I would be most concerned about. Regardless of her job, it's something the police take very seriously. I would advise her to keep any and all texts, store them in a folder if she has to, and report them to the police. If they don't take her seriously, then she needs to take it further, to the vice dept. No way should she be putting up with that.

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« Reply #7 on: 06 September 2008, 07:19:07 pm »
Roughly whereabouts is this happening? As has been said, it doesn't look like she's doing anything legally wrong, but that doesn't stop some people in some forces.

Definitely report the stalker. Ideally, she's kept the threatening texts.
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« Reply #8 on: 07 September 2008, 10:54:13 am »
This is happening in central London. I've advised her to talk to the police about the stalker, but she doesn't want to. She also doesn't have any faith that it do anything positive. If they do speak to him, or even lock him up, she thinks that he will come back even worse when he gets out. There's no convincing her, and these investigations certainly don't help. I've shown her how to save these texts into separate folders so that they don't get lost. She has also forwarded them to me and gave me the guys phone number. Does anybody know of a way to get them off the phone (Nokia) in a way that retains their authenticity?

Regarding the police action, I don't think she has done anything wrong or should have anything to worry about, but I've been reading up on voluntary interviews under caution (+2/+3) and I'm very worried about her doing one of those by herself. English isn't her first language, and, other than the legalities of her job, she knows very little about the law and her rights. I've read many horror stories about what have happened with native speakers in these circumstances so I shudder to think what she might sign or agree to in an interview under caution without fully understanding what is happening.

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« Reply #9 on: 07 September 2008, 11:07:00 am »
Sorry... I forgot to answer some of the earlier comments. She can show income details (handwritten). She can show she has registered for tax, but she cannot show that she has *paid* tax (or even submitted the declaration) as she only started work at the end of last year and hence it is too early for this.

Her lack of profit for last year are explained by her only working for about 4 months, hardly had any customers when starting out, and she had a *huge* rent bill. She had her website redone, had professional pictures taken, and started placing lots of adverts in April/May this year and started doing better, but for the last tax year (income - expenses) < 5000.

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« Reply #10 on: 07 September 2008, 12:37:28 pm »
I wonder if the stalker got the police involved. It's very unlikely that someone making the kind of threats he does would follow through, but causing trouble with the police is well within his capability.

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« Reply #11 on: 07 September 2008, 01:54:29 pm »
If she didn't make any profit why has she got a 'large' amount of cash on the premises. I have heard that the police can arrest anyone carrying ?1000 or more in cash and ask for proof of where they obtained in. That info came from a bank manager who said if anyone they didn't know was in business, paid in a sum of money like that then they would certainly want to know where it came from - in order to rule out money laundering.

Income - expenses is still showing profit even if it's less than ?5000.

So, the police could technically be fixating upon than - depending on the information given to them since they may wonder if she is dealing drugs or controlling other girls. If they think it's a proceed of crime they can hold onto to it for up to 2 years. She will be registered with HMRC and have had a letter with her business name on it instructing her to fill in a return for last year. This, along with a quick pointer to her website showing rates etc should be enough.

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« Reply #12 on: 07 September 2008, 02:08:14 pm »
If she didn't make any profit why has she got a 'significant' amount of cash on the premises. I have heard that the police can arrest anyone carrying ?1000 or more in cash and ask for proof of where they obtained in. That info came from a bank manager who said if anyone they didn't know was in business, paid in a sum of money like that then they would certainly want to know where it came from - in order to rule out money laundering.

Income - expenses is still showing profit even if it's less than ?5000.

So, the police could technically be fixating upon than - depending on the information given to them since they may wonder if she is dealing drugs or controlling other girls. If they think it's a proceed of crime they can hold onto to it for up to 2 years. She will be registered with HMRC and have had a letter with her business name on it instructing her to fill in a return for last year. This, along with a quick pointer to her website showing rates etc should be enough.

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« Reply #13 on: 07 September 2008, 02:14:34 pm »
I have heard that the police can arrest anyone carrying ?1000 or more in cash and ask for proof of where they obtained in. That info came from a bank manager who said if anyone they didn't know was in business, paid in a sum of money like that then they would certainly want to know where it came from - in order to rule out money laundering.

I don't know about the police bit, but the bit about banks is an exaggeration, from my experience and what I've heard from other people. It's not unusual for me to deposit more than ?1k in cash and the banks and post offices I've used take it without batting an eyelid. The only exception was once when I had ?2.5k, the teller asked me where I got it. I said I earned it and she took it without any further questions. I thought it was strange so I asked another community if they could shed some light, and some people who'd worked in banks replied. They told me that the teller was covering her back against laundering, they have to ask but they can't tell you why as that can be considered a tip-off. They said that that anything under ?10k wouldn't normally be cause for concern, but this was soon after that big bank heist a couple of years ago, so they were probably on their guard because of that.

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« Reply #14 on: 07 September 2008, 06:26:43 pm »
My bank usually ask if I am saving for something!