Quote from: Jemimna on 21 July 2009, 09:55:36 pm

So my question is... do all men want long kissing sessions ?

For crying out F-ing loud, no one has answered this poor woman's question! No, all men do NOT want long kissing sessions. Have you ever had a 1 night stand with a guy who wouldnt kiss? Yeah tell me about it

Did you not read Violette's response? Jemimna's question was answered very succinctly. She basically said that if she's going to sell herself at the high end charging copious amounts of money then yes, customers will want the very best, including long kissing sessions. Clear as day.

I've always assumed that if you say you offer a GFE, that means kissing is automatically included? I expect it's not the same for every service provider but that's just how I think of the term. It involves putting in lots of effort to make your fee worth while, anyway!

Exactly! If you work in a parlour then a customer would have different expectations to that of a customer of an  independent charging 2-300 pounds an hour. I'm mid-range and in 7 and a half years, I've had maybe 2 customers that didn't want to kiss.

Apparently things have changed from what I read on the forums. Things like DFK and OWO weren't a normal part of a service provider's menu. More and more now they are. Especially DFK. As you say, it's synonymous with a GFE experience these days.

Quote from: JoeyR on 22 July 2009, 10:51:08 am

Quote from: Jemimna on 21 July 2009, 09:55:36 pm

So my question is... do all men want long kissing sessions ?

For crying out F-ing loud, no one has answered this poor woman's question! No, all men do NOT want long kissing sessions. Have you ever had a 1 night stand with a guy who wouldnt kiss? Yeah tell me about it

Did you not read Violette's response? Jemimna's question was answered very succinctly. She basically said that if she's going to sell herself at the high end charging copious amounts of money then yes, customers will want the very best, including long kissing sessions. Clear as day.

Thank you for actually picking up on that before I got back from an afternoon of kissing and ego massaging (not mine lol).  And we all answered the question even prior to Violette?s response.  The same topic has been covered on numerous other mixed forums.  Kissing is virtually expected by all clients who come and visit an escort.  Not kissing is very old school parlour type behaviour.  This is not a question about kissing a guy with terrible teeth but a general stance taken by the OP.  She only wants to kiss the most attractive clients rather than treating everyone who providing they are clean the same. 

For the record, neither I or Benny were harsh or even remotely bitchy to her in fact, I was just concerned that J was not cut out for this business if she had problems providing a service to her lesser good-looking clients.  The OP actually edited an incredibly rude and denigrating follow up post while I was posting a response to that basically staing her being young and beautiful and hence far above the drags like me.  I do not begrudge the youth and looks of other ladies as there is a market for all of us.  In some cases, this job is great when we receive compliments and are treated like a queen but that does not mean it is wise to act like a spoilt princess.   

The OP actually edited an incredibly rude and denigrating follow up post while I was posting a response to that basically staing her being young and beautiful and hence far above the drags like me.   

I saw the original also. Charming wasn't it?

Quote from: bennyboywonder on 22 July 2009, 09:38:29 pm

Quote from: BurlesqueHoney on 22 July 2009, 08:11:38 pm

The OP actually edited an incredibly rude and denigrating follow up post while I was posting a response to that basically staing her being young and beautiful and hence far above the drags like me.   

I saw the original also. Charming wasn't it?

That'll teach me for going to bed early. Things always seem to have a habit of kicking off then.

Yeah we wait till you had your Cocoa and are tucked up in bed before we cause mischief...   


Even so the OP was very rude I sort of worry for girls like her.  She is young and a bit cocky plus thinks the world owes her something.  Because she seems to rely on her looks and age, she might attract the sort of guys that will treat her like a piece of meat rather than see her as a person.  That can really damage a young woman and leave some marks.  I value the info on this site but for someone still very new to the industry like her, this forum could be very important and useful.  But I suppose you actually got to be willing to take on board what others say.  Who knows her whole attitude might be also be armour to mask self loathing and insecurity as it is tough to do this kind of work when you are very young.  I have been around the block a bit and thus can deal with many situations with humour.  I doubt I would have been ready to do the same in my early Twenties.     

I must admit that I do not at all like kissing most clients, but I just do it and meanwhile think of my grocery list or books I've read recently. I feel that part of this job is being a good actress, and I pride myself on seeming like I'm quite enthused by whatever I'm doing with a client. I may be thinking about other things, but I would never want that to show in anything I do -- not even a second's expression.

Now that I think of it, I don't really like kissing in general, even with people I'm very attracted to. It's not awful, but I don't understand how anyone could enthusiastically do it for hours.

Quote from: BurlesqueHoney on 23 July 2009, 12:01:29 am

Even so the OP was very rude I sort of worry for girls like her.  She is young and a bit cocky plus thinks the world owes her something.  Because she seems to rely on her looks and age

Honey, that type of behavior is prevalent in our world. We call them queens 

I am well aware of that and in many instances I would add the word 'drama'

Quote from: brandy@saafe on 22 July 2009, 10:18:14 pm

That'll teach me for going to bed early. Things always seem to have a habit of kicking off then.

Yeah I missed it too...but I did find someone's weave pulled out. I seriously dont think we'd want to be in the middle of it. Crossfire kills 

Sorry but still not funny ? your gag fell flat the first time around on this thread and really does not improve if repeated ad nausea.  Unlike your ?observations? there were no handbags at dawn.  The spat was rather one sided by one young and immature girl that sulked because others disagreed.  I appreciate that you can relate to the OP?s attitude and behaviour as you started out similarly.  On this board, you had nearly as many comebacks as Frank Sinatra and that is a credit to this forum that they do not take any tantrums too serious when a princess or queen throws the tiara away in a huff and stomps off in a huff.  And they don?t mind people coming back once they see a little sense and realised that this forum can be a great resource if you lay off the amateur dramatics a little.   

I wasnt trying to be funny, Honey. Im just saying; maybe she did say something silly and we missed it due to the edit. But either way, you have to admit she obviously felt pretty battered if she had to delete herself from the forum. This is a place where people are welcomed and share opinions.

In that case, your comments are a little rich as you regularly have spats on this forum by failing to read posts properly or not wording your opinions clearly which really is not pleasant reading.

I bet you an hour's worth booking that not every escort or escort-to-be on here, whether member or guest feels the same as you. That if they dont kiss then they wont get anywhere in the business. I have to disagree. Like I said, I've gone through several and not been required to kiss. I think a better way to put it would have been something along the lines of what Violette said.


I understand if you felt offended because maybe she was giving the impression that escorts who kiss are somehow nasty and gross, that she is too good to do that etc....which is understandable. She should have been more humble, but she stumbled. But then again isnt it her body? Isnt she free to do or not do what she wants? What if someone was to say; "how dare you not give oral without a condom, what are you a spoiled brat?" Its the same concept! Like I said before, Im all about kissing and to me its the appetizer, it sets the stage for better romance. But in every situation it didnt start with that and guess what? It still went well. Yes you can be overlooked by a client if you dont kiss. But to say "its do or die, you'll never make it if you dont kiss"...is a bit harsh.

Frankly, it is sad if someone throws a hissy fit and leaves a forum for no other reason then people actually voicing an opinion.  She done a similar childish and petty thing when dealing with a major forum and directory, see a post re: Punterlink.  It is no loss to them but potentially has closed a major free advertising channel to her.  Do not try and insinuate that I scared her off for mainly answering a post ? she was trying to spite her face by cutting of her nose.  Of course, we all off have differing experiences and opinions.  That is a nature of a forum even in the oldest sense of the word it implies an exchange of views!

The OP did not say she did not like kissing full stop but only felt like it with the most attractive clients.  We were all trying to explain the reality of this job ? if the gent is clean and respectful ? you ought to give the same service to him then the next drop dead gorgeous man otherwise you are probably not cut out for this work.

You may not get asked to kiss very often but in the UK for female escorts in a certain pay bracket in particular, most gents expect kissing from an escort.  This is ultimately what GFE is about.  I do not speak from a sole perspective but echo the opinions voiced by many gents on a number of forums who complain constantly about exactly the kind of attitude the OP showed.  Why do I need to concede she felt battered when we were trying to respond to her post?  She certainly can stand up for herself judging by some of her abrasive posts.  This is a young lady who likes to get her own way and it is her decision to ban herself.

And please, do try and actually read and digest what other people say before wading in with your usual melodramatic posts.  I said none of the things you implied specifically about kissing or not kissing!  I was referring to an overall attitude towards less than perfect good-looking clients!  There are so many beautiful stunning ladies in the UK so relying on your looks alone could seriously affect your business.  Unless guys have a fetish for humiliation, they want an escort that puts them at ease and is warm and passionate.  The stance of maybe kissing if they book an overnight but maybe not if they are not attractive is unlikely to win you regulars when there are so many lovely ladies about.  And FFS I said nothing of the kind ?how dare you not kiss? blablabla.  We all said it was of course her choice but she asked the question and we answered! 

And trust me ? I am not offended by a young possibly insecure lady.  She however was rude to most ladies on this forum with her overall comments that more or less stated that she was young and had model looks hence did not operate on the same strata as the rest of us.  But I am at an age where I am happy with myself and besides no longer worrying about schoolyard kind of taunts, I really do not feel any jealousy towards someone gorgeous looking.  The irony is that her and I actually charge similar kind of prices despite me being obviously not a ?VIP Klassy Kortesan? and I do get repeat business.  What I do works for me so I would not dream about imposing my way of thinking on others.  But trust me there are some universal facts.  Someone who markets herself as a GFE will be expected to be warm and friendly and for the great great majority of gents that means a lady that kisses!