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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: AnimalLover on 21 October 2018, 09:34:13 pm
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So arrived at an unworkable apartment which is my own fault due to listening to someone who claimed they knew it was workable which turned out to be false.
All of my hotels in the future will be workable. I have taken a couple of bookings here and will check out tomorrow (have paid to stay until Wednesday but that just isn't feasible - no intercom system). I may not get my deposit back but not too fussed.
Someone has just said to me that they could call the police on me? But I thought they could ask me to leave if they wanted to but not call the police unless they asked me to leave and I refused.
I've just been told that working in hotels is illegal as told by a solicitor? I was led to believe that as escorting is legal in the U.K, as long as I work alone, it is perfectly legal. I always keep it lowkey and have never been asked to leave a hotel.
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Working in hotels is not illegal. I’ve never even seen any that have terms and conditions about working in the rooms.
As for the apartment you are in. I would just try to earn as much as pos. You have nothing to lose.
Your solicitor sounds like a total knob.
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Hi ladyofthemansion. Thanks, I don't have a solicitor but another female who was working there but separately claimed hers said this which I thought weird.
I am checking out tomorrow and now have to folk out for a hotel for two nights but can't check in until 2PM. So I'm thinking of working in this apartment tomorrow from early until 1:30PM or until I get thrown out as I'm checking out anyway. I'd rather have a couple more bookings and no £50 deposit back than vice versa. Plus they will have then made money out of me considering I paid to stay until Wednesday.
Their terms state you can't have guests after 11PM and unfortunately due to a client messing me around I have only had two bookings instead of three. But think I may as well try and do so tomorrow considering I will be leaving anyway.
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If the property is being used by more than one sex worker, it becomes brothel.
Operating a brothel is illegal, working in one is not illegal.
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How do people know you are using the apartment to escort from?
Who is telling you all this bollocks?
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There is no intercom in the apartment and I have to go past reception to open the door to let the clients in so it looks a bit dodgy potentially.
But then again, it could be anything, like business meetings for all they know. Plus, I did put my trainers on and a jacket on over my dress when I went down to meet them.
Basically, I reached out to another escort to tour with. She claimed that she knew these apartments were workable as she had had a 'friend' who had stayed here and she had seen the intercom on the images. For some stupid reason, I blindly trusted her as she has been working for a long while, assuming she was right. We were just going to tour together, not work together. We checked in together, she had a room on a separate floor, we went our own separate ways. I got in and was shocked to see that it was not workable due to no intercom. Paid £230 for this. Messaged her saying I thought you said your friend had stayed here? No apology, nothing, just 'I haven't been to this area before'. I was fuming. Decided I would work as was getting booking requests and it's bad for business to turn them down as they may not rebook. Had a 2 hour and a 1.5. Was due another 1.5 but the client messed me around.
Messaged her later to say I have been busy. She then replies saying she has only 'done one as doesn't want to risk it'. I then ask what she means as worse comes to worse, I won't get my deposit back. Safe to say, I am parting my separate ways with her and checking out on my own tomorrow because this story about her 'friend having worked here' was clearly a lie. When I say I'm busy, she says 'be careful' they could call the police. I'm like what do you mean? Escorting is legal. She's like no my solicitor said it is illegal. I'm like what? She's like yeah the manager could call the police on you.
In hindsight, I have a feeling she may have been quiet and I have been busy today or would have been and she has tried to scare me out of bookings.
As how would they know? And I can still get in a few tomorrow I reckon without being thrown out as I don't wear heavy makeup, and am discrete and don't scream of being an escort.
So just gonna try and do a few in the morning and then check out as obviously I'm pretty sure I would get kicked out if I kept on taking bookings here as I like to be busy on tour.
But I have realised it is far better to go it alone now.
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What I'm hearing is someone who kinda set up one purpose, it sounds like she didn't want you to do well. Jealously maybe? How well did you know her?
I could be completely wrong though, but I have been targeted by another SP before so I am very suspicious when it comes to these things.
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Ah I read your post as you'd been advised by a solicitor.
If you've had no problem carry on.
Yes hotels can ask you to leave, some have a no business clause, some may receive complaints about guests being noisy or whatever.
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Not very well at all. I messaged her on here with regards to a tour buddy post. Thought it may be helpful but realised I'm much better going alone. I went to her area to meet her first, flopped there as suspected as it's a cheaper area, a Saturday and the rugby and football was on and not really my market (I'm really starting to treat this like a business now, know my market, choose areas carefully and advertise.) So we decided to do this area together (travel down together). Was annoyed that she had clearly lied as I even asked her on the way down, after checking Saafe and not finding any reviews on the apartment whether it was definitely workable. She said yes. The fact that she blatantly made up a lie that has cost me money annoys me. And then didn't even apologise. But I'm not going to let it beat me. I'm checking into a hotel I know is workable tomorrow as I like this area so far and even though that is £230 wasted, I reckon I can get it back. I hope so. I already have more reviews than her despite her having worked for four years and me just over six months. And I'm really starting to treat this like a business now and want to start thriving.
This is why I never go for apartments because I've had bad experiences with them, Air BNB etc. But I know the hotels that are ok as I've worked in them and know from experience the names that usually aren't keycarded and are good for discretion and not closing the doors until late. So checking into the hotel tomorrow after a few more bookings here and after checking out here! Fingers crossed that it goes well! (I also highly doubt she has a solicitor).
But lesson learnt and thanks so much for all of the advice!
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It's not illegal, but the hotel/owners of the rented apartment can kick you out. The police however won't care. Escorting is legal in the UK, so they're not going to show up if someone calls them.
While not illegal, it can be against the terms of a rented apartment as many have a term in the lease of not running a business from home. So they can kick you out based on that.
In summary: it's not illegal, just might not go along with terms/be what the owners want.
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It's not illegal, but the hotel/owners of the rented apartment can kick you out. The police however won't care. Escorting is legal in the UK, so they're not going to show up if someone calls
Not strictly true that the police won’t show up if called but they won’t do anything to you. Am not even sure they can force you to leave.
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I don’t understand the issue...do have to go downstairs to main entrance to open the door and then led them upstairs to ur flat? Isn’t there a way to view the clients coming and then instruct them on how to get to your flat??!!!
Plus there is Nothing is illegal about working in separate flats —I’ve worked in a service apartment building with a few escorts Also working in the same building but in their own flats —in Camden and nobody has being thrown out.
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Not very well at all. I messaged her on here with regards to a tour buddy post. Thought it may be helpful but realised I'm much better going alone. I went to her area to meet her first, flopped there as suspected as it's a cheaper area, a Saturday and the rugby and football was on and not really my market (I'm really starting to treat this like a business now, know my market, choose areas carefully and advertise.) So we decided to do this area together (travel down together). Was annoyed that she had clearly lied as I even asked her on the way down, after checking Saafe and not finding any reviews on the apartment whether it was definitely workable. She said yes. The fact that she blatantly made up a lie that has cost me money annoys me. And then didn't even apologise. But I'm not going to let it beat me. I'm checking into a hotel I know is workable tomorrow as I like this area so far and even though that is £230 wasted, I reckon I can get it back. I hope so. I already have more reviews than her despite her having worked for four years and me just over six months. And I'm really starting to treat this like a business now and want to start thriving.
This is why I never go for apartments because I've had bad experiences with them, Air BNB etc. But I know the hotels that are ok as I've worked in them and know from experience the names that usually aren't keycarded and are good for discretion and not closing the doors until late. So checking into the hotel tomorrow after a few more bookings here and after checking out here! Fingers crossed that it goes well! (I also highly doubt she has a solicitor).
But lesson learnt and thanks so much for all of the advice!
What I meant was how have you got on regards hotel being ok with you, clients getting to the room or apartment unhindered.
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I got on ok with it but only saw two people, and quite far apart as it was a 2 hour and a 1.5 hour. The first guy phoned reception and said he was here to see a friend and they let him in. Second guy, I met outside and let him in.
The entrance is key fobbed and the only way in is via the keyfob.
I.always pay by card but the female I checked in with paid by cash and also unfortunately I forgot I had my work phone on loud and it started ringing when I was at reception (I won't be making that mistake again). So I think the manager must know, but I am going to see a few more and then leave today (I have to walk directly past reception to let the clients in).
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I got on ok with it but only saw two people, and quite far apart as it was a 2 hour and a 1.5 hour. The first guy phoned reception and said he was here to see a friend and they let him in. Second guy, I met outside and let him in.
The entrance is key fobbed and the only way in is via the keyfob.
I.always pay by card but the female I checked in with paid by cash and also unfortunately I forgot I had my work phone on loud and it started ringing when I was at reception (I won't be making that mistake again). So I think the manager must know, but I am going to see a few more and then leave today (I have to walk directly past reception to let the clients in).
I'm glad you managed to salvage it a bit. I would have been furious
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I got on ok with it but only saw two people, and quite far apart as it was a 2 hour and a 1.5 hour. The first guy phoned reception and said he was here to see a friend and they let him in. Second guy, I met outside and let him in.
The entrance is key fobbed and the only way in is via the keyfob.
I.always pay by card but the female I checked in with paid by cash and also unfortunately I forgot I had my work phone on loud and it started ringing when I was at reception (I won't be making that mistake again). So I think the manager must know, but I am going to see a few more and then leave today (I have to walk directly past reception to let the clients in).
Why would a ringing phone flag you as a sex worker? Sure I pop my work phone on silent when checking in, just in case but still think that's not proof of anything.
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It's not illegal, but the hotel/owners of the rented apartment can kick you out. The police however won't care. Escorting is legal in the UK, so they're not going to show up if someone calls them.
While not illegal, it can be against the terms of a rented apartment as many have a term in the lease of not running a business from home. So they can kick you out based on that.
In summary: it's not illegal, just might not go along with terms/be what the owners want.
I do know of 1 case where hotel called police on sex worker and they arrived and took her down police station this was several years ago. I would imagine this is not a common situation but i do not it happened. Just like when i was working as an indie in a rented incall the police raided it and had a warrant they were mob handed and searched the entire place and took client in to another room as i was in the act. Awful situation but a long time ago.
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I do know of 1 case where hotel called police on sex worker and they arrived and took her down police station this was several years ago. I would imagine this is not a common situation but i do not it happened. Just like when i was working as an indie in a rented incall the police raided it and had a warrant they were mob handed and searched the entire place and took client in to another room as i was in the act. Awful situation but a long time ago.
On what basis where they allowed to do this!!!
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No, nothing you are doing is illegal. Probably just very bad form to trust another girl you dont know. Not everyone is as honest and compassionate as you may be - some will happily fuck you over and not give it a second thought.
Just got it alone. I pretty much always have and found it the best way to operate.
Just keep working in the apartment until they kick you out, they might not even kick you out! Or if you think you can do higher volume at the hotel, then move there when convenient.
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On what basis where they allowed to do this!!!
They're 'allowed' to do this because they're the police, and can ask you, me or anybody else to come to the station, give your name and address and so on if they have any reason to think something untoward is going on. You can refuse, but there's very little point and if you haven't committed any offence you don't have anything to be concerned about - the trouble with only having scraps of hearsay and half-stories as above is that nobody knows what actually happened (if the woman concerned was kicking up a fuss and refusing to leave, for example).
Hotels will often have rules and policies just like we do - that isn't the same as the law :).
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Thanks for all of your advice.
I went down today and the manager was properly staring at me (unfortunately I can often read what people are feeling or thinking due to being an empath) but I wasn't too bothered - also, I had my personal phone in my hand when my work phone started ringing at check in. Not much of an obvious sign, but the female I checked in with was in heels, has fake boobs, heavy makeup, and the fact that she was paying by cash just makes it obvious to me.
I wasn't that busy today so cancelled the hotel at 2PM and stayed here. I will take any bookings that I get here tomorrow and just let them in (I am going down in normal clothes now and just stripping to my lingerie and putting heels on when they get up here). If they kick me out, they kick me out.
Had one prick today who had the apartment name but claimed he couldn't come due to a 'man being on reception' like it isn't me taking the risk. Also, had the 1.5 hour guy cancel on Monday night due to it being a 'dodgy area', think he was chatting shit but I had made him buy me a Paysafe voucher prior to even considering the booking as I thought that he might be a flake so I got that at least.
Thanks veggiegal, it was a bad move of me to naively trust someone and it was completely my fault. Like you said, it is best to go it alone and I actually prefer that.
Onward and upwards hopefully from now on anyway!
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They're 'allowed' to do this because they're the police, and can ask you, me or anybody else to come to the station, give your name and address and so on if they have any reason to think something untoward is going on. You can refuse, but there's very little point and if you haven't committed any offence you don't have anything to be concerned about - the trouble with only having scraps of hearsay and half-stories as above is that nobody knows what actually happened (if the woman concerned was kicking up a fuss and refusing to leave, for example).
Hotels will often have rules and policies just like we do - that isn't the same as the law :).
Hotel situation was the hotel had other sex workers working there before and did not want this type of thing continuing anymore so the police was called and they took her down the station obviously to scare her. She said the hotel wanted the word to spread that no working girls were welcome this was a good 7 years ago and my situation was i was busy had complaints from neighbours they seen many men in and out. It was a snobby area. Police raided it detective and uniform about 7 of them they had got a warrant from a judge
They came in all guns blazing searched entire place 1 client in there, sepetated both of us, took name addresses etc checked for any warrants under our names. It was a very horrible situation embarrassing and humiliating. I said i have done nothing wrong as i am a indie they wanted to check there was nobody forcing me etc and behind it. They said they will not take it further or take me to the police station if i agree to go if not things will be made difficult as i am not wanted around here. Then i got a lecture of why am i doing this as i do not look like a hooker or a drug addict then said why let men do these things etc.
After this i left the flat it was rented i never owned it, it was not worth any further hassle for me. I contacted a outreach place after this and they were very surprised by how they handled the situation plus i contacted a solicitor and he thought it went too far and thought possibly we could bring complaints but i left it. I do also know another sex worker who had police harassment at her working flat and once she got solicitors involved the lower ranking police were told by hifh ranking one to leave her alone and apologized.
I have learnt to expect different treatments from different police forces. I had 1 visit once off a different force and they were very understanding and not interested but only visited because a client had caused trouble reporting it as revenge for me not giving extra time for free.
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I tour a lot myself so if anyone needs advise for an hotel or flat, please let me know!!! I had a lot of bad adventures :FF and I even had the police called on me... S :( so get in touch if needed!!! Always happy to help ;-)
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On what basis where they allowed to do this!!!
Hotels can do a lot. They often have it in their terms not not conduct prostitution. Rented apartments is different. You're down to what the lease holder allows.
I skirt around it at my place because I only see 3 to 4 incalls a week and meet all outside wearing normal work clothes during the day. In the evening, no one bars an eye last. But that's purely because I keep low volume. If I were seeing 2 a day like I did at the start, I'd have been thrown out by now. But that is because I live in a upscale concierge building.
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Hotels can do a lot. They often have it in their terms not not conduct prostitution.
Never ever seen that.
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Never ever seen that.
I know of one chain has a clause about not conducting a business from their rooms.
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Which one is that, Mirror?
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I can think of more than one, and none of them will be being named here :).
Like Lottie though, I've never seen one that specifically.mentions prostitution.
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I can think of more than one, and none of them will be being named here :).
Like Lottie though, I've never seen one that specifically.mentions prostitution.
That's all that matters then :)