Author Topic: Is the number of people with HIV higher than expected? (Read 8684 times)

River · « **Reply #30 on:** 03 December 2012, 04:41:12 pm »

Quote from: meetingdiversity on 03 December 2012, 04:24:26 pm

I meant be good news for me as Gay men don't like woman, so thought a lower risk to myself.
But know that bisexual men can get through the net.
I should be ok because mainly the clients come to see me who are married.

I hate to be the Bi-bearer

of bad news:

Some married men identify as gay / bisexual and have sex with other men.
Some married men identify as straight and have sex with other men.
Some married men do bareback anal sex with other men.
Some of these men may also have sex with you.

The end.

meetingdiversity · « **Reply #31 on:** 03 December 2012, 04:48:19 pm »

Ok I will bear that in mind Jodie.

ana30 · « **Reply #32 on:** 03 December 2012, 04:49:23 pm »

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I meant be good news for me as Gay men don't like woman, so thought a lower risk to myself. But know that bisexual men can get through the net. I should be ok because mainly the clients come to see me who are married.

Suuuure... coz gay and bisexual men never marry women (Puts her sarcastic hat on and bows graciously).

My ex was bisexual and now he's married to another lady and has a child with her. Does she know he has/had sex with men? I don't think so.

woofy86 · « **Reply #33 on:** 05 December 2012, 12:53:29 pm »

There many more bisexual men out there than women care to know about. Nearly all have gf's and wives, I would say atleast 1 in 10 not including gay men. Bi men tend to have a higher sexual need, into more kinky sex e.tc Just my experience. Like I said before, being an escort you more likely have slept with someone who has hiv compared to the average person but been protected by condoms

Kimmy · « **Reply #34 on:** 05 December 2012, 03:20:37 pm »

Quote from: woofy86 on 05 December 2012, 12:53:29 pm

There many more bisexual men out there than women care to know about. Nearly all have gf's and wives, I would say atleast 1 in 10 not including gay men. Bi men tend to have a higher sexual need, into more kinky sex e.tc Just my experience. Like I said before, being an escort you more likely have slept with someone who has hiv compared to the average person but been protected by condoms

personally i think that if a client has hiv they should tell you so, obviously its probably hard due to the stigma and whatnot and it isnt all black and white, but isnt it law to tell a sexual partner if you have HIV?

Obviously a client might not even be aware they have it, which is another thing altogether

I wouldnt be happy performing OWO on someone with HIV, and though I agree its your responsibility for your own sexual health, I also think people with life long illnesses that can be trans through sex have a responsibility to let people know and give them the choice of whether to have sex with them or not.

I imagine a lot of services from girls would be denied if a client told them he was positive

TT · « **Reply #35 on:** 05 December 2012, 03:38:11 pm »

If a client told me he was positive I wouldn't have sex with him,even with a comdom-if it split I'd get paranoid,even if I was having PEP.I expect a lot of girls wouldn't and some would probably charge him extra for the risk so I don't think anyone would admit to having it.Better to assume they all are lol and just not do any unprotected services

xw5 · « **Reply #36 on:** 05 December 2012, 05:36:25 pm »

Quote from: Kimmy on 05 December 2012, 03:20:37 pm

personally i think that if a client has hiv they should tell you so, obviously its probably hard due to the stigma and whatnot and it isnt all black and white,

Yep. Most think people with HIV should disclose but of course they often don't tell potential casual partners. When they know the vast majority would run away screaming (and quite possibly telling all their friends) why would they?

Quote from: Kimmy on 05 December 2012, 03:20:37 pm

but isnt it law to tell a sexual partner if you have HIV?

Nope.

Over the past decade, around ten people have - disgracefully in my view, but I am aware this is a minority opinion - been convicted of recklessly transmitting HIV. In other words, they didn't do it deliberately, but were aware of the risks of what they did and did it anyway. Had they used / insisted on using condoms, it is very likely that none of them would have a) transmitted HIV and b) been convicted if they had.

Quote from: Kimmy on 05 December 2012, 03:20:37 pm

Obviously a client might not even be aware they have it, which is another thing altogether

They're probably considerably more infectious, for one thing.

Quote from: Kimmy on 05 December 2012, 03:20:37 pm

I wouldnt be happy performing OWO on someone with HIV, and though I agree its your responsibility for your own sexual health, I also think people with life long illnesses that can be trans through sex have a responsibility to let people know and give them the choice of whether to have sex with them or not.

I imagine a lot of services from girls would be denied if a client told them he was positive

Which is why many don't.

I've said it above: if you're changing what you offer based on disclosure of HIV, the sex you are having is probably not as safe as you'd like it to be.

Kimmy · « **Reply #37 on:** 05 December 2012, 08:25:54 pm »

Quote from: xw5 on 05 December 2012, 05:36:25 pm

Quote from: Kimmy on 05 December 2012, 03:20:37 pm
personally i think that if a client has hiv they should tell you so, obviously its probably hard due to the stigma and whatnot and it isnt all black and white,

Yep. Most think people with HIV should disclose but of course they often don't tell potential casual partners. When they know the vast majority would run away screaming (and quite possibly telling all their friends) why would they?

Quote from: Kimmy on 05 December 2012, 03:20:37 pm
but isnt it law to tell a sexual partner if you have HIV?

Nope.

Over the past decade, around ten people have - disgracefully in my view, but I am aware this is a minority opinion - been convicted of recklessly transmitting HIV. In other words, they didn't do it deliberately, but were aware of the risks of what they did and did it anyway. Had they used / insisted on using condoms, it is very likely that none of them would have a) transmitted HIV and b) been convicted if they had.

Quote from: Kimmy on 05 December 2012, 03:20:37 pm
Obviously a client might not even be aware they have it, which is another thing altogether

They're probably considerably more infectious, for one thing.

Quote from: Kimmy on 05 December 2012, 03:20:37 pm
I wouldnt be happy performing OWO on someone with HIV, and though I agree its your responsibility for your own sexual health, I also think people with life long illnesses that can be trans through sex have a responsibility to let people know and give them the choice of whether to have sex with them or not.

I imagine a lot of services from girls would be denied if a client told them he was positive

Which is why many don't.

I've said it above: if you're changing what you offer based on disclosure of HIV, the sex you are having is probably not as safe as you'd like it to be.

I do agree with everything you said, and think its wrong to convict people of spreading HIV. I think it makes the stigma worse tbh and it is each persons responsibility to use a condom. Its basically criminalizing an illness which is really sad imo, I suppose if the stigma wasnt so bad (aswell as the ignorance regarding how you can catch it, I believe with treatment the viral load can be almost non existant) more HIV positive people would be open about having it to new partners

woofy86 · « **Reply #38 on:** 05 December 2012, 10:52:21 pm »

You don't have to tell someone your status if you have safe sex by law. If that was the case, it would be nearly impossible for anyone with hiv to get laid. Some guys see it in this way if, if you don't use a rubber, you don't mind getting an std, already have one o ryou most do it a lot you won't be able to figure out who you got it from.

Really no reason to worry yourself, if having safe safe good as impossible to get it, when it comes to oral difficult to get ( unless youhave sore in your mouth) As said before, I am more worried about hpv and herpes.

Kimmy · « **Reply #39 on:** 06 December 2012, 03:48:18 pm »

Quote from: woofy86 on 05 December 2012, 10:52:21 pm

You don't have to tell someone your status if you have safe sex by law. If that was the case, it would be nearly impossible for anyone with hiv to get laid. Some guys see it in this way if, if you don't use a rubber, you don't mind getting an std, already have one o ryou most do it a lot you won't be able to figure out who you got it from.

Really no reason to worry yourself, if having safe safe good as impossible to get it, when it comes to oral difficult to get ( unless youhave sore in your mouth) As said before, I am more worried about hpv and herpes.

Dont most people contract HPV in their life? My ex came out with a very mild case of genital warts once but I never had them, lol

I knew a guy who was HIV positive a while back, he still went round having unprotected sex and his opinion of it was its the other persons responsibility to ask him his status as he now has nothing to lose

I kind of agree with him in a way, i dont think people can be blamed for passing on stis when the other party was also careless about their sexual health xx

c

woofy86 · « **Reply #40 on:** 06 December 2012, 11:26:49 pm »

lol@ bf I think it's herpes type 1..cold sores I think you mixed them up but as a woman hpv can be bad, my friend has no symptoms but she has to go for pap smear twice a year. That's what increases gay men chances of anal cancer good thing is there is a vaccine in private clinics

ana30 · « **Reply #41 on:** 07 December 2012, 12:00:04 am »

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I knew a guy who was HIV positive a while back, he still went round having unprotected sex and his opinion of it was its the other persons responsibility to ask him his status as he now has nothing to lose

I kind of agree with him in a way, i dont think people can be blamed for passing on stis when the other party was also careless about their sexual health xx

Actually that's a crime (not disclosing your HIV- status to your partners and infecting them). Quite a few have gone to jail for doing what your friend does, also known as "Criminal transmission of HIV". I just hope he doesn't pass the virus to any of his unsuspecting victims. Jeeezz..what a horrible person (*shudders*).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission_of_HIV

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5094708.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4694595.stm

TeenKylie · « **Reply #42 on:** 07 December 2012, 12:02:32 am »

So an escort can still actually sell sex legally even if she knows she has HIV and uses protection but doesn't say she is positive?

TeenKylie · « **Reply #43 on:** 07 December 2012, 12:07:06 am »

Quote from: Kimmy on 06 December 2012, 03:48:18 pm

Quote from: woofy86 on 05 December 2012, 10:52:21 pm
You don't have to tell someone your status if you have safe sex by law. If that was the case, it would be nearly impossible for anyone with hiv to get laid. Some guys see it in this way if, if you don't use a rubber, you don't mind getting an std, already have one o ryou most do it a lot you won't be able to figure out who you got it from.

Really no reason to worry yourself, if having safe safe good as impossible to get it, when it comes to oral difficult to get ( unless youhave sore in your mouth) As said before, I am more worried about hpv and herpes.

Dont most people contract HPV in their life? My ex came out with a very mild case of genital warts once but I never had them, lol

I knew a guy who was HIV positive a while back, he still went round having unprotected sex and his opinion of it was its the other persons responsibility to ask him his status as he now has nothing to lose

I kind of agree with him in a way, i dont think people can be blamed for passing on stis when the other party was also careless about their sexual health xx

c

I can't believe you are actually condoning that?! Jesus Christ most people that are silly once in a wile and don't use protection don't expect to catch HIV! You will still end up dying from it even though medication can stop it developing into aids for years one day it still will. He knows he has it and what he is doing is disgusting and makes me feel physically sick. Just because he has nothing to lose other people sure fucking do! Their whole lives could be ruined, how sick and selfish can one person get? He should be locked up!

ana30 · « **Reply #44 on:** 07 December 2012, 12:11:54 am »

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So an escort can still actually sell sex legally even if she knows she has HIV and uses protection but doesn't say she is positive?

That I don't know, but If the condom breaks and she infects a client -who was not informed of her HIV status- it would be considered "criminal transmission" from a legal point of view. So she's gonna need to buy some heavy duty condoms if she's planning on working. Just sayin'...

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