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MaddieMoo

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How do you let it wash over you?
« on: 05 February 2014, 01:18:44 pm »
I'm so upset I'm holding back tears over this. A friend directed me to a post on a well-known parents forum, where they have off-topic threads, and there is a massive thread on Amnesty international's points made about legalisation of prostitution, and pretty much everyone on there is saying "Oh it's a disgrace to decrim, we need to adopt the nordic model, these woman have no agency, they are allowing themselves to be exploited even if they think it's consensual. The swedish model is safer for them It would be so much better to stop the demand for sex work blah blah blah." There are pages and pages of this crap on one thread in that forum.

I guess I'm just feeling really sensitive this week after that poor woman was murdered in London. I'm just so upset by people not effing getting it. I think that a lot of people working in office jobs have less freedom to act than us - contracts, bosses, orders you might have to carry out but disagree with - but I'm not going to call for those sort of jobs to be illegal. It's so ridiculous. Why don't they listen to us? Why can't we be heard? I am so deeply upset by the notion of "Silly little things, need to be protected from their free will and choice as adults." It's so reminiscent of when they used to chuck women in mental asylums for being commiting adultery, like doing such a thing makes you mentally unwell, so you've no right to autonomy anymore.

There must be people on this forum that can let such goings on be like water off a ducks back, how do you do it? What way do you look at it to not get so frustrated? Because it matters, if enough people think like these people, the law could change. It could be years and years away but it could change drastically. The goings on in Scotland over recent years is enough to make us think that way.

I really don't want to feel this way, working in this industry, it's a very unhealthy frustration, and I'd like to be able to just let it go. The frustration I mean, not the cause.
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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #1 on: 05 February 2014, 01:36:07 pm »
It has become water off a ducks back to me as I know I don't have the power to change peoples minds on the subject.  You will always find it is the uninformed who shout the loudest and longest and it is not worth reading.  The forum you are talking about is so anti sex work as we are nasty women who corrupt their poor husbands that any comments on there about it are completely ignored by me.

There will always be misguided uninformed feminists that truly believe they speak for all women and that we are victims who are fooling ourselves as we have all been abused in the past and it has become our way of life.

Don't waste time and effort trying to change or worrying about what you cannot change.  If you are that worried why not join a local SWP that is vocal in supports sex workers and maybe help to do something that way.

My best advice though is never read any thread on there that is to do with sex work as it will drive you crazy and don't make the mistake I did and try to defend your point or you will get the old, oh you poor poor victim let us help save you, brigade sending pm after pm
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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #2 on: 05 February 2014, 01:59:26 pm »
Ah, fuck it. I'll join in sometimes and give my POV. I don't expect to change minds during a debate - people get entrenched during debates - but I think it can be helpful in the long term to give a different POV. Sometimes people will mull it over and reconsider over time.

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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #3 on: 05 February 2014, 02:09:42 pm »
Sadly, my opinion is that you can't change the general consensus about how the general public feels about us and whilst we can campaign and try to change people's points of view, I feel it will never change. 

We will always been portrayed in some stereo typical way and sometimes ironically I almost smile smugly to myself when I go about in my civvies, thinking these people have no idea, they have no clue because to them, a prostitute is possibly a druggie, an addict, street walker or some super vamped up rich diamond clad fur coat wearing siren!  If only they knew the truth............... hey ? 

So, my thoughts are that you can't change it so accept it.  Maybe that's somewhat cynical of me but after a few years, yes I have to confess to letting it wash over me. 

Whilst there are awful tragedies, as we have just heard about this poor lady (two incidents I think?  Two ladies ?  apologies - I will read up on it) and of course it really brings it close to home the danger we are in and it highlights also the attitudes of the public and the possible assumption that because she was a sex worker, then some blame lies with her or her employer.................

But we have to be tough and we can't let it get to us, because at the end of the day we either carry on or just quit it altogether and get out of the industry. 

Wasn't there some thread on some forum (perhaps the same one) where we were all witches, harlots, women who should be banished from society etc etc ..............and maybe its the same forum, I don't know but there are some ignorant people who have ignorant attitudes and I guess we will always be targeted by them. 

Try not to dwell on it too much Maddie, especially if it is upsetting you.  I know though at times, that is easier said then done. 

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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #4 on: 05 February 2014, 02:11:49 pm »
There's another thread about Amnesty's decision to legalise prostitution on a punting forum at the moment.  The OP on there is asking why guys are not willing to stand up for themselves as well as us regarding this industry.  Makes for interesting reading 
I've never been on the forum you're on about Maddie (life's too short. lol), but as Dani and Kimberely say, sometimes putting in an opposite opinion about certain subjects, may not change the minds of everyone, but some may mull your opinion over and reconsider.  You've just not let it get to you.

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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #5 on: 05 February 2014, 02:14:01 pm »
You allow it to wash over you because you have to realise that these people saying these things so not matter in your life. They do not speak from experience they speak from ignorance and fear. For these very reasons alone they dont affect me other than to sometimes make me angry at the sheer depth of their ignorance.

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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #6 on: 05 February 2014, 02:59:22 pm »
I get what you're saying ladies - just try to let it go, shake it off. I think I'll go out for a run and try to clear my head. I suppose there's not much else to do, because like you say, I can't change anything. If things do change it probably won't be in my lifetime. I always want to get more involved in projects, as you suggested Dani, but I always curl back a bit because it's hard to have the sex industry as your job and also your mission in your spare time, it really drags me down. I think what has helped though has been when conversation turns to politics with new friends, and I state my opinion on sex work (and other topics) and I know I've changed their mind. But when I see such ignorance it makes me so angry. I wonder if we'll ever get anywhere, like other minority groups have.

On the one hand I want to just let it brush over me, and not let it get to me... but the past 30 seconds I've just thought maybe I should get angry. Get everyone angry, shouting, stamping feet, getting something done on a large scale. I'd probably lose my sanity in the attempt though!
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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #7 on: 05 February 2014, 03:09:10 pm »
I just adopt the 'I don't value your opinion because I don't care what you think' mantra gives me peace of mind.... 8)

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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #8 on: 05 February 2014, 03:25:14 pm »
A 'well-known parents forum' is not the place to see much sense around this subject. Most of the users will be more concerned that their partners may be paying escorts than the truth.

Escorts etc tend to be people who've gone "I don't care what the rest of the world thinks, I am right and I am going to do this". It has its downsides, especially around organising around sex work. Stick several people like that but with different opinions about something in a room, and it gets interesting.

Have you considered joining Amnesty and doing the education there?
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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #9 on: 05 February 2014, 04:06:10 pm »
A 'well-known parents forum' is not the place to see much sense around this subject. Most of the users will be more concerned that their partners may be paying escorts than the truth.

Escorts etc tend to be people who've gone "I don't care what the rest of the world thinks, I am right and I am going to do this". It has its downsides, especially around organising around sex work. Stick several people like that but with different opinions about something in a room, and it gets interesting.

Have you considered joining Amnesty and doing the education there?

You're right Ian, but it's more that these people are out there in droves - and that was just one pocket of it that my friend pointed out to me. So they're the wives. Then there's the radfems. Then the religious. Then the "I just have a gut feeling it's wrong" people.

Oh I can only imagine what those groups are like! I find that unless you're in Glasgow, Leeds or London or are okay with forking out ?70 on a train fare, it's hard to get involved in the larger SWPs.

I've been looking into that but they're local websites are less than navigatable when you're looking for a certain topic. I think I might make a phonecall if I can find the right number and just ask what they're doing and if they need anyone.
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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #10 on: 05 February 2014, 09:03:47 pm »
I have now rejoined, a couple of other ladies have posted that they have joined. Amnesty that is. I think the parents forum beasties got a bit of a knock back when they had an amnesty member do a 2 hour q and a with them. They didnt manage to bully her. Again, well done amnesty x

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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #11 on: 05 February 2014, 10:30:09 pm »
You allow it to wash over you because you have to realise that these people saying these things so not matter in your life. They do not speak from experience they speak from ignorance and fear. For these very reasons alone they dont affect me other than to sometimes make me angry at the sheer depth of their ignorance.
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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #12 on: 15 February 2014, 03:59:09 pm »
Honestly, I let it go a long time ago. I used to care what people thought of me and SWs...until I tried to pay my bills w. opinions . :P  ;)
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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #13 on: 15 February 2014, 04:53:28 pm »
To be honest ve been thinking really hard about "coming out" I have the feeling that people will judge for what I do but it may sway those on the fence to go, "wait a minute, shes a normal girl, in a stable relationship and she's happy" I already decided to show my face on AW. Part of me hopes my parents do find out so i can come clean. I already find it easy to not give a toss about other peoples opinions so its no biggie. I got it all anyway when I told everyone I was in an open relationship. I just cannot be arsed with lying anymore and the whole thng about the swedish model kinda made my mind up for me.

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Re: How do you let it wash over you?
« Reply #14 on: 15 February 2014, 05:41:34 pm »
To be honest ve been thinking really hard about "coming out" I have the feeling that people will judge for what I do but it may sway those on the fence to go, "wait a minute, shes a normal girl, in a stable relationship and she's happy" I already decided to show my face on AW.

I was worried sick when I started this job as I was not going to hide what I do from anyone I cared about.  so I told them all.  I was gobsmacked at how supportive family and friends were after I explained my reasons (cant do a normal job due to my illness yet wanted to be the one to pay for my sons carers).  They did worry a bit about safety but know I would not do anything without reading everything I could about dangers and safety first.  We always think everyone will look down on us but those who matter rarely do.  Those that do look down are normally those who don't matter that much anyway
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