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Lady Frog

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« Reply #60 on: 01 April 2020, 03:55:10 pm »
The whole point of going on benefit is that you can't support yourself isn't it?
So you're not gainfully employed are you?

 ;D lol

Thank you Ian and Salty your advice is really really useful as always
A woman, especially, if she have the misfortune of knowing anything, should conceal it as well as she can. - Jane Austen

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« Reply #61 on: 01 April 2020, 04:11:55 pm »
 :) ahh! welcome

amy

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« Reply #62 on: 28 April 2020, 12:17:11 pm »
This waa announced yesterday and so there isn't a lot of information yet, but it launches on Monday and I can't see anything that prevents us applying :)

[From the .gov page:]

Apply for a coronavirus Bounce Back Loan

This scheme will help small and medium-sized businesses affected by coronavirus (COVID-19) to apply for loans of up to £50,000.
Published 27 April 2020

From:
    Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy

Contents

    Eligibility
    How to apply

This scheme is not available yet. It will launch on 4 May 2020.

The Bounce Back Loan scheme will help small and medium-sized businesses to borrow between £2,000 and £50,000.

The government will guarantee 100% of the loan and there won’t be any fees or interest to pay for the first 12 months.

Loan terms will be up to 6 years. No repayments will be due during the first 12 months. The government will work with lenders to agree a low rate of interest for the remaining period of the loan.

The scheme will be delivered through a network of accredited lenders.
Eligibility

You can apply for a loan if your business:

    is based in the UK
    has been negatively affected by coronavirus
    was not an ‘undertaking in difficulty’ on 31 December 2019

Who cannot apply

The following businesses are not eligible to apply:

    banks, insurers and reinsurers (but not insurance brokers)
    public-sector bodies
    further-education establishments, if they are grant-funded
    state-funded primary and secondary schools

If you’re already claiming funding

You cannot apply if you’re already claiming under the Coronavirus Business Interruption Loan Scheme (CBILS).

If you’ve already received a loan of up to £50,000 under CBILS and would like to transfer it into the Bounce Back Loan scheme, you can arrange this with your lender until 4 November 2020.
How to apply

The Bounce Back Loan scheme will launch on 4 May 2020.

More information about the scheme will be published shortly.
Published 27 April 2020
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I poked about a bit and it seems likely that the loan can be for up to 25% of turnover or average turnover - I suppose they'll use the same time period as they do for the self-employed grant but this is just guesswork. It opens at 9am for anybody who wants to have a go :).


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« Reply #63 on: 30 April 2020, 02:12:13 pm »
25% of turnover. Is that what we earned as a profit not everything we had as income right?
Sounds like an awesome scheme, sorry I missed you posting it above and hey again I’m thankful for this site I think I’d have otherwise missed the whole thing.

Is this alongside the 80% thing for self employed or instead of?

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« Reply #64 on: 30 April 2020, 02:17:15 pm »
25% of turnover. Is that what we earned as a profit not everything we had as income right?
Sounds like an awesome scheme, sorry I missed you posting it above and hey again I’m thankful for this site I think I’d have otherwise missed the whole thing.

Is this alongside the 80% thing for self employed or instead of?

Turnover is the whole thing (like with VAT), so it's your takings before expenses unlike the Self Employed grant next month which is calculated just on profit (so with that one if you have fixed costs like work flat rent, you're basically having to pay them again out of your profit).

I don't know how they decide on what constitutes an 'undertaking in difficulty' as it'll be based on criteria which we haven't been told, and it isn't clear how the simple online form they've promised will interact with the 'network of accredited lenders' mentioned, but it's something to try at least :).

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« Reply #65 on: 30 April 2020, 02:18:22 pm »
Turnover is the whole thing (like with VAT), so it's your takings before expenses unlike the Self Employed grant next month which is calculated just on profit (so with that one if you have fixed costs like work flat rent, you're basically having to pay them again out of your profit).

I don't know how they decide on what constitutes an 'undertaking in difficulty' as it'll be based on criteria which we haven't been told, and it isn't clear how the simple online form they've promised will interact with the 'network of accredited lenders' mentioned, but it's something to try at leaat :).

Aha, thanks for explaining. Another game of wait and see I guess. Thanks x

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« Reply #66 on: 30 April 2020, 02:28:31 pm »
Aha, thanks for explaining. Another game of wait and see I guess. Thanks x

I know :). It'll make a massive difference to me if I can get it so I'm really trying not to be too hopeful, but I'm looking at the page every day to see if any more information goes up and if it does I'll post it here.

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« Reply #67 on: 01 May 2020, 08:46:41 am »
I don't have an accountant, I decided to do my accounts for myself.

From what I can find on the gov website, to get universal credit when self-employed, you have to  prove you are in 'Gainful self-employment' and prove that 'your work is organised, developed, regular and in expectation of profit'

Normally there will be an interview for you to prove this, I would assume they want to see documentary evidence of how you run your business. They have suspended these interviews for the duration of the COVID-19 distancing measures and will take your word for it that you are gainfully self-employed.

But I'm worried that when the time period is up, they will want us to attend meetings to show that evidence, and if I can't provide good enough evidence I would have to pay the money back, or worse, get prosecuted for benefit fraud?? Obviously I didn't write a business plan for my escorting career... and I would rather not show them invoices, accounts, marketing materials etc... plus don't know if they would suffice...

Has anybody else recently done a UC claim and have any thoughts on this?

I applied for universal credits because I've not received any letters from HMRC about the 80% grants. Although I've done my tax returns since starting escorting. I had a phone interview with my local job centre & Ive not been asked for any evidence of anything other than my identity.

Now I'm confused about weather I've done the right thing or not. If you do apply for UC, it needs to be done ASAP as they wont backdate.

Also remember to update the Tax credits office. I've received a hefty overpayments bill from them. You need to be brain of britain to understand this other antiquated system. Can't seem to update any of my changes online with them. Beyond frustrating.

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« Reply #68 on: 01 May 2020, 09:03:41 am »
I applied for universal credits because I've not received any letters from HMRC about the 80% grants. Although I've done my tax returns since starting escorting. I had a phone interview with my local job centre & Ive not been asked for any evidence of anything other than my identity.

Now I'm confused about weather I've done the right thing or not. If you do apply for UC, it needs to be done ASAP as they wont backdate.

Also remember to update the Tax credits office. I've received a hefty overpayments bill from them. You need to be brain of britain to understand this other antiquated system. Can't seem to update any of my changes online with them. Beyond frustrating.

The contact for 80 percent grants won't start until mid May - this is on the HMRC website.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-a-grant-through-the-coronavirus-covid-19-self-employment-income-support-scheme
« Last Edit: 01 May 2020, 09:06:12 am by Mirror »

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« Reply #69 on: 04 May 2020, 07:13:11 pm »
I applied for the bounce back loan this morning - it was very straightforward and there is a list of FAQs here:

https://www.british-business-bank.co.uk/ourpartners/coronavirus-business-interruption-loan-schemes/bounce-back-loans/faqs-for-small-businesses/#f17

The list of lenders is currently just major banks as far as I remember, but they will be adding more as they go for those who can afford to hang fire for a bit. I chose Santander as I have an account there which makes it easier, but I need to send them my most recent tax return (these are easy to download from the HMRC site) because it's a current account and not a business account. You can borrow up to 25% of your turnover from the year 2018-19 but it's rounded to the nearest thousand (so if it's £10,001 you can borrow £10K, but if it's £9999 you can only borrow £9K, if that makes sense :)).

If the lender you choose turns you down you can pick another and try again, and they say that we should hear within 24 hours. Mine will take slightly longer because of having to send the tax return, but the scheme is designed to let businesses access money quickly so hopefully not more than a week or so.

Fingers crossed.

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« Reply #70 on: 04 May 2020, 07:21:25 pm »
The contact for 80 percent grants won't start until mid May - this is on the HMRC website.

The online tool for checking eligibility is now online here: https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/self-employment-support/enter-unique-taxpayer-reference

You will need your UTR/tax reference number (don't put it in with the letter on the end - I did and it doesn't work until you just use the digits ;D) and your National Insurance number. It will tell you right away whether you're eligible and that if so you can claim from the 13th of May.

You must have a Government Gateway account to claim this and they can take a few days to set up because they send a code in the post (or they used to) to activate it, so anybody who wants to claim and doesn't have one needs to crack on with that now.

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« Reply #71 on: 04 May 2020, 07:31:03 pm »
That's a nice wedge! Spend it unwisely  :)

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« Reply #72 on: 04 May 2020, 07:39:19 pm »
That's a nice wedge! Spend it unwisely  :)

Well it's a loan (unlike the grant, which counts as taxable income) so it won't be for everybody, but it means I can pay off all the bits of IKEA debt I racked up setting up my new work flat in February that I would have earned enough for by now, and then sock a bit of what's left away for rent and bills. That's assuming they don't turn me down, but it's self-certifying and my previous is fine so I'm hoping not. I could do with a break after not being eligible for anything else :).

There are no repayments for a year and the first year is also interest free, but I'd recommend anybody going to apply checks how much the payments will be once they start - the interest is only 2.5% though, so if it's not a bad deal really.

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« Reply #73 on: 04 May 2020, 08:10:03 pm »
The online tool for checking eligibility is now online here: https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/self-employment-support/enter-unique-taxpayer-reference

You will need your UTR/tax reference number (don't put it in with the letter on the end - I did and it doesn't work until you just use the digits ;D) and your National Insurance number. It will tell you right away whether you're eligible and that if so you can claim from the 13th of May.

You must have a Government Gateway account to claim this and they can take a few days to set up because they send a code in the post (or they used to) to activate it, so anybody who wants to claim and doesn't have one needs to crack on with that now.

I noticed the tool today, used it - says I am eligible.

The blurb says although the claiming system goes live at noon 13th May, each person will be given a set date(s) from which they can apply. The wording which seems to be continuously updated, suggests there'll be tranches of applicants - possibly trying to prevent a tsunami of applications all at the same time?

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« Reply #74 on: 06 May 2020, 05:15:28 am »
My HMRC application time has been set for midday 15th May 2020 when I checked my eligibility this morning.  I have received emails regularly from the government without prompting them throughout this phase.  Yesterday's email invited me to check eligibility.

It will be such a relief when it is paid into my account.  I have been feeling very anxious of late and it is sorely needed.