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General Category => Politics and academic/media queries => Topic started by: Honeyxx on 02 April 2021, 01:47:43 am
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Hi guys can everyone please sign the petition on the official petition parliament .u k so that the criminalisation of paying for sex is not passed !!!!!!!
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Signed! Currently at 4496, needs 10,000
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Do you have a link?
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Also done. Had to search for ‘paying for sex’ x
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signed
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Signing petitions - great. Telling the rest of us - not necessary :).
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Signed, thank you. x
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Signing petitions - great. Telling the rest of us - not necessary :).
Why not?
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Why is it not necessary. It makes me feel good to see other sex workers Ie escorts interested in their rights.
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Also done. Had to search for ‘paying for sex’ x
Still couldn't find with Search can you pm the link thanks
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Why not?
Because despite the Rules Of The Internet, it's not necessary to make a public announcement every time you do something in order to ensure whatever you've done has actually happened, that is unless being seen to have done it is very important to you (and if that's the case then that's up to you, but the forum isn't here for anybody's validation). The petition will still have been signed whether you do this or not, and it saves an incredibly boring and tedious thread that some of us have to read.
Why is it not necessary. It makes me feel good to see other sex workers Ie escorts interested in their rights.
Then maybe look at the petition? Or one of the many threads where sex workers are discussing their interest in their rights, rather than what amounts to an endless list of one line posts all saying the same thing?
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Because despite the Rules Of The Internet, it's not necessary to make a public announcement every time you do something in order to ensure whatever you've done has actually happened, that is unless being seen to have done it is very important to you (and if that's the case then that's up to you, but the forum isn't here for anybody's validation). The petition will still have been signed whether you do this or not, and it saves an incredibly boring and tedious thread that some of us have to read.
As you know, the more signatures a petition attracts, the better its chances of making a difference.
Without this thread, I wouldn't have known about this petition.
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I didn’t know that there was a petition on this. I couldn’t find it, could someone please send a link or the specific wording to put into Google search. That would be helpful thank you, I think as many people as possible need to sign
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I found the petition if anyone is interested, you need to type in Parliament petitions in Google search and then in type in ‘sex’ in the petition search NOT ‘sex worker’ and it’s the second one down. I hope we can all sign it members and guests so show support for our work
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Well I think it's relevant, important and completely appropriate to post a petition in a forum titled 'Politics and Academic Queries'. ;D
I get that not everyone is as interested in the activism side of sex work as some of us, but nobody is forcing anyone to pay attention... It's just unfortunate that you're a moderator Amy, so you kinda have to read every thread, but you get the jobs you choose to do.
While I'm here.....If anyone is still reading this far (by choice!) and would like to know some more about the 'Sexual Exploitation Bill' I would be happy to fill you in on the whole issue, the history, where the proposed policies have been implemented elsewhere in the world and how much damage it has done in other countries.
End of the day, this issue affects every single one of us, whether you're an indoor or outdoor working escort, a cam girl, a sugarbaby, a Domme, a stripper, or a punter, if this passes into legislation it will change the entire industry for the worse, for us all.
It will become more dangerous for many more WGs (there have been multiple murders already in one country where this is law) so many may move into an already saturated online market.
But there'll be less punters wanting f2f services and plenty going to jail so the overall market value of all our services and content will slump, so even if it isn't dangerous for you to work, you'll feel the drop in your income soon enough!!
So even if you're not usually politically inclined but you like your job and only sign one petition of this kind in your whole damn life, you should definitely consider making it this one.
Thank you for your time.
Peace.
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Bless. I've been involved in sex work activism for longer than I can remember (and certainly longer than I've been a member here), and nowhere does my post say that people shouldn't post about relevant petitions and similar on SAAFE. Some reading and comprehension skills wouldn't go amiss.
What the post says is that there is no need to tell the world that you've signed it, since the petition will still be signed (which is the important bit), in a similar vein to the people who quote gigantic posts in their entirety just to put 'this' or '+1' at the bottom. It's just showboating; it contributes nothing whatsoever to the board and turns what should be discussion into lazy, pointless drivel.
I agree that there should have been a URL posted, and if I get a minute I'll find the petition again and post one :).
Oh, and I'm not a moderator. I'm an administrator, which means that along with the other administrators the buck stops with me.
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Petition is here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/563987 :)
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Why did I found out about it today ??? omg we need to spread the word
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What can be done to promote this to a wider audience? I have told my regular clients about it to sign and I have read that the predicted amount of signatures will only be around 8,500 which won’t be enough for it to pass. If this bill doesn’t pass, will it mean that it will become illegal to be an escort or will it be the buyer that gets in trouble? Even if we as sex workers wouldn’t get prosecuted, do you think we would see a decline in newbies wanting to punt or even old clients not wanting to take the risk?
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What can be done to promote this to a wider audience? I have told my regular clients about it to sign and I have read that the predicted amount of signatures will only be around 8,500 which won’t be enough for it to pass. If this bill doesn’t pass, will it mean that it will become illegal to be an escort or will it be the buyer that gets in trouble? Even if we as sex workers wouldn’t get prosecuted, do you think we would see a decline in newbies wanting to punt or even old clients not wanting to take the risk?
It could make it difficult to work, often Nordic Model is accompanied by other laws making accommodation very difficult to obtain, also access to support, outreach could be difficult. And those who have additional occupations could be in a difficult position.
Eg can no longer clearly say they participate in a non-illegal activity.
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Surely the emphasis in terms of police intervention would be on those trafficked coerced or pimped. I doubt in the real world the police will have the resources time and manpower to go following individual punters down the street.I
Though it would certainly deter the more careful punters no doubt.
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Surely the emphasis in terms of police intervention would be on those trafficked coerced or pimped. I doubt in the real world the police will have the resources time and manpower to go following individual punters down the street.
Obviously police intervention should focus on traffickers etc, but it's already possible for this to happen under existing laws so there is no need to criminalise buying sex in general. The point in widening who can be prosecuted is to to be able to go after consensual sex work.
The police obviously don't follow around random guys just in case they pay for sex, they target sex workers instead. This is why so many sex workers have been prosecuted in Ireland since the law changed, around 60 I think, while only 1 or 2 punters have been fined.
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Surely the emphasis in terms of police intervention would be on those trafficked coerced or pimped...
...all of which are already against the law (meaning, as you can see, that these practices can't be used to justify the Nordic Model).
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Iv discussed this with a few people now and they have all said it will no way pass in parliament. Does anyone agree or do you think this could change how we work forever if it passes?
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Iv discussed this with a few people now and they have all said it will no way pass in parliament. Does anyone agree or do you think this could change how we work forever if it passes?
Depends which other laws are brought in alongside, often Nordic is accompanied by other rules making it difficult to work.
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Iv discussed this with a few people now and they have all said it will no way pass in parliament. Does anyone agree or do you think this could change how we work forever if it passes?
When you consider the evidence of what has happened when a sex buyers law has been passed in other countries, not to mention the fact that it's already been passed in this country in Northern Ireland and hasn't worked, then it doesn't seem likely.
But this legislation isn't based on evidence, it's based on ideology, and it has still become law in a few countries who have ignored evidence to pass it, including part of the UK. With that in mind added to the fact that this government clearly can't be trusted to wipe its own arse I don't think we can afford to be complacent.
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Is word of mouth the best way to share with people? I don't do social media so that's out.
I'm not sure how well it would work if a bill was passed.