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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #15 on: 06 May 2019, 12:37:08 am »
Thanks so much for more wonderful replies! It's great to get such a range of opinions - as nice as a unanimous answer can be, this is risk management without a clear answer, but each and every one of you is a very useful influence in helping me come to my final decision.

I know my home setup isn't ready to host. I don't think it's impossible, though, for a select group of clients. As a general rule, I'll be hoping for repeat business rather than lots of new guys - I know you can never trust a client as a person and have to keep things professional and business - but I'd hope to be able to be quite selective about who I allow to visit me at home.

I'm definitely leaning more no nonsense in my profiles and communication than I was before - I was afraid it would put people off, but I think it's only really going to put off idiots and time wasters.

Oh, it'll take me a long time to develop instincts for time wasters, I always find I lack a woman's eye for people and can be quite trusting - but I've ended communication with easily half of the men who've contacted me so far, for one reason or another. I'm not just going to meet anyone - I'm lucky enough to not need this income to survive.

I stepped quickly back from my age limits. I'm willing to accept that guys over 50 may surprise and delight, dubious as I feel. I'll still probably do checks on very young looking guys, I'm happy to meet anyone 18 and over but need to be careful of course.

That's all great food for thought, much I'd already considered but great to read it all laid out so well. The low volume thing is something I should be more clear about on my profiles, up front. And the sideline for guys wanting to dress is definitely a possibility - I'm quite fussy about getting good stuff so while much of the latex that forms the backbone of my look is made to measure and I'd never let another touch it, in time I'll aim to have an expansive enough collection of other items that dressing sessions might be a good idea!

Sticking to my prices is already an area I'm failing in. When I started, I set them moderately, after looking at some of the local competition. I quickly decided based on volume of contact and pride to not sell myself cheaply and to be sure I restricted this to men who actively want what I am, not just guys who can't afford a real woman. I upped my prices significantly based purely on my own estimation of the value of my time, still not to real high-class levels but about on a par with most women. Contacts continued, I thought all was fine. About a week and a half ago, I felt about ready to start, edited my profile to say as much and sent messages to many who I'd told I wasn't yet available and who'd asked for updates when I was. Yesterday, over a week on, I started to worry that I was going to get no business. Now that was silly, despite being supposedly ready, I'd been asked about my availability multiple times and always given a very prohibitive reply since I had a lot planned in my own life this last week or so. Also, I never WANTED high volumes of contact. And, I still hadn't sorted a work phone, it's arriving on Monday and I'll be able to put it online to hopefully make me more approachable. Anyway, when I switched to outcall only, I also panicked and reduced my fees, in a way I already don't feel comfortable with.
Anyway, I'll be okay. I've already got 2-4 guys who seem some degree of serious about booking an outcall or hotel meet - some I've quoted the new rates so may have to meet at those the first time even if I put my prices back up. Two of them were interested before I reduced the prices, and one in particular seems very serious, with me having been the time waster so far in our correspondence, he would have met me days and days ago,.or this evening, if I'd had the gumption and had been free.

Anyway, yes, I just need to lean into my niche and be sure of what it is. I'm young and more physically fit than a great many crossdressers, I'm confident and a bit dominant which isn't entirely common among dressers (not uncommon either, of course) and while pre-op girls have a very significant appeal over me in their bodies, those men who want somebody as feminine as possible whilst being fully functioning and virile are likely to choose me. And of course the reasonable wide range of fetishes I'm happy to work with and the pro-Domme stuff is a very clear niche in which to market myself. Guys wanting to book in advance DOES seem to be the norm, not always, I've had a fair few same day requests but I think most of my work will be booked in advance - pros and cons to that, it'll make planning easier and could allow for a few meets to be stacked together in an afternoon at a hotel, but definitely suits incall work better than touring, I think.
Working out a way to direct guys here without giving my actual home address is a very good idea - there's no street name or number visible anywhere so I might be able to avoid my address ever being given out - I mean it could always be figured out from Google maps I'm sure but I do think I could give useful directions without giving too much information.

I do have something of a buddy but she's very slow at responding to me these days - interested in the work and concerned about my safety, but not sure she's an entirely reliable person for a safety call - although that's not fair, the only time I ever called her in an entirely unrelated emergency she was incredibly quick to respond and switched right into crisis mode. She's older, wiser, a bit maternal and has never met nor know the names of any of my friends or family, just an old fuckbuddy who I trust very much.

Thank you all so so much for continuing to give me new things to mull over and lots of useful data points in making my decision. For the time being, I'm going to stick with the outcalls since I've immediately seen an uptick in interest since disabling incalls - I'll make a point of calling the local chain hotel (Premier Inn - I know it's not great but it's that or a guesthouse or pub) and ask about their situation with key cards to get out of the lobby. I know there's no lift, I think it's only 2 or 3 floors - but that would be a huge thing to know, if I can book a room, get dolled up and have a guy come right to my door, this'll all be fine and dandy, I've implemented a policy to take the hotel room cost as a bank transfer when I take the booking, so I can't end up out of pocket. If that isn't the case, I'll have to reconsider. I'm definitely feeling that I'll eventually do incalls, but whether I advertise them or allow first time clients to have them is up for debate, and either way, I'll need to get the home security up to scratch.

Thanks so much for all your help and patience!

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #16 on: 06 May 2019, 09:15:47 am »
However, clients may happily gossip about SW's locations privately and on open forums, something hard to control. You may never be aware of it.
 
SW work from rural areas like you or caravans, campers, canal barges, cargo containers, garden sheds, all sorts....you'd be surprised. Being safety conscious in all surroundings is a standard part of the job.

Again, as others commented, our privacy is not well taken care of.  If there's a campaign petition for our privacy, I will sign, straightaway.  In this instance, there's a risk of getting outed in a close-knit community.  Men dressed as CD.  A "scarlet woman who entertains men in her home", as someone else commented.  People seem to love gossips in rural areas.

On the upside, there are quite a few glamorous women on AW where they show their face.  Maybe, there's far less stigma in a liberated group of people.  Mine was sadly very uptight which made the situation far worse.

I am sure that these men do not mean any harm but they need to be gently made aware of possible negative consequences from their action: someone else's privacy is as important as theirs. Or, you might decide to simply work away from your "real life" when you risk-assessed the situation.

Caravans. . . what a novel idea.  Once she's gone, nobody knows where she's gone without trace.   I don't see working in secluded Hamlet would be any different from a suburban flat, either, knowing the crimes don't appear to be deterred by "quiet suburban" locations.

Someone else said, "he/customers will get lost".  I go as far as "he might end up at a nearby neighbour's home" as I might, being a towner, who relies on googlemap. 

That's it from humble me.
Good luck and take care.

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #17 on: 06 May 2019, 02:46:38 pm »
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some I've quoted the new rates so may have to meet at those the first time even if I put my prices back up

You could say to them, it's a special discounted price as you're new and have no feedback yet, so if they book the meeting via AW and commit to leave feedback, they will get that rate. (Of course you can't guarantee they'll leave feedback but I did this for the first few months I worked and never had a guy not give feedback.)

I think you will probably find you get a surge of calls when you have a phone number up. (Remember it's £1.50 a day to display it on AW, so make sure you buy some credits.) Lots of guys don't want to leave a "paper trail" of emails on AW, they want to browse incognito and just use a burner phone to arrange a booking. I imagine that goes double for guys who are into the more niche side of things. "He fucks hookers" is a lot less shaming than "He fucks men dressed as women, and he pays them", sadly.

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People seem to love gossips in rural areas.

Yeah, cos there's fuck all else to do! I spent time growing up in one of these communities and everybody knew everybody else's business. It was suffocating.
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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #18 on: 06 May 2019, 03:15:52 pm »
You could say to them, it's a special discounted price as you're new and have no feedback yet, so if they book the meeting via AW and commit to leave feedback, they will get that rate. (Of course you can't guarantee they'll leave feedback but I did this for the first few months I worked and never had a guy not give feedback.)

I think you will probably find you get a surge of calls when you have a phone number up. (Remember it's £1.50 a day to display it on AW, so make sure you buy some credits.) Lots of guys don't want to leave a "paper trail" of emails on AW, they want to browse incognito and just use a burner phone to arrange a booking. I imagine that goes double for guys who are into the more niche side of things. "He fucks hookers" is a lot less shaming than "He fucks men dressed as women, and he pays them", sadly.

Yeah, cos there's fuck all else to do! I spent time growing up in one of these communities and everybody knew everybody else's business. It was suffocating.

I thought number display costs £1 per day?

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #19 on: 06 May 2019, 03:31:50 pm »
I thought number display costs £1 per day?

You might be right Mirror, I may have confused it with Local Escort Search!
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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #20 on: 06 May 2019, 03:45:07 pm »
Like I've said, it's really not much of a community here - I don't know the names of anybody else other than my most immediate neighbour, and frankly I don't really mind them hearing some sex sounds or even seeing guys coming in if it's very occasional, I can live with being thought of as gay or known to be bi. I don't know how they'd know I was dressing - unless of course a client nattered. Like I say, my photos online don't show my face, clients will never actually see my face (well, I'm not opposed to meeting in makeup without the hood for a gay guy who very much wants me masculine faced, but it's not on the cards generally). I advertise as being located in the nearest town - bit deceptive, I know, but ultimately if somebody's willing to see me I'm sure they can travel an extra 10 minutes out of town, almost nobody doesn't drive out here and the hotel I plan to do meets at IS in that town, and it's where I'm moving as soon as I get the finances settled enough to consider a mortgage.

The only situations I can see myself being outed are:
- Client is violent, loud, aggressive or criminal - maybe somewhat increased risk due to location but could happen anywhere.
- Client goes wandering around and knocking on the wrong door - if it happens once I don't see it being obvious what they're there for, though, unless they outright say they're looking for an escort.
- Client turns up uninvited and starts wandering around during the work day when the business on open and people are working.
- Client loudly and indiscretely talks to me in the doorway where neighbours could hear.
- Client happens to live very locally.

Those last two are my biggest fears, really. I can only ask clients to be quiet until they've closed the door behind them, and have started to consider asking where clients are coming from and finding an excuse to not see anyone from one of the other little villages out on this peninsular - but honestly seems unlikely, the demographics wouldn't lean toward my clientele at all, most of the people contacting me seem to be from one of the small-medium towns a little further away, some even from north cornwall and devon. And honestly, even people from 2 or 3 villages away aren't likely to know anyone who lives out in this little hamlet or have ever been here, it's at the end of a dead end road to nowhere that nobody ever has reason to travel unless they live out here. And yes, I hope the 'shame' factor about meeting somebody like me will make clients a bit less likely to talk loudly about where I am or what I do - but who knows. Truth is, I need to make it maybe 6-9 months of good business, maybe a bit more, maybe less, before I'll be able to move out of here, and the things that could really cause me problems are quite specific, so I'm probably going to cross my fingers and hope, to an extent. I've never lived in a town before so have no idea how things will work there, if it gets incredibly obvious to neighbours if a few guys a month come to your door, and have no idea how well I'll end up knowing my neighbours there.

I'm definitely helpful the phone number will help. I've been a punter myself, truth be told, and know that on those occasions an easily accessible number was my first port of call when choosing a SW. I'm aware there are fees - but I think worthwhile, and a bit of phone or cam work will quickly and painlessly neutralise those. I need to keep reminding myself that this will always fluctuate - that being new to the site a couple months ago when first testing the water got me a lot of attention, much of it probably BS, and that adding a number will likely give a bit of a surge - but that there'll always be lulls, and those aren't reasons to panic and reduce rates. In my defence, I was largely panicking as the investment in clothing, makeup, skincare and other bits and pieces had started to reach a critical level that was impacting my ability to live, and I need to start paying back some of that money I've loaned to the business account. But patience is a virtue and I'm hopeful that this week will see me get started.

Linked below are a couple of pictures of (roughly) how I'm presenting to clients, at least at first. Actually, the photo is outdated, my look has improved since then in a few key ways, lots more latex in the mix, slightly better makeup, better skin and nails yada yada yada - and much more to improve, including an upgrade from that mid-high tier mask to a top tier custom fitted one that ought to move much more fluidly with my face - am I wrong to think that all my photos including this (and background always blurred), and always keeping it on during meets, will make being exposed or outed a tad less likely?

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Thanks for getting me through my anxiety, I feel so ready to do this now!
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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #21 on: 06 May 2019, 05:19:35 pm »
You know this is an open forum Lixi?

Regarding cultivating a small group of regulars. 'Regulars' don't necessarily mean they're going to be your cup of tea. Clients I'd love to become regulars for free rarely oblige. (That's just fantasy talking.) The irritating, needy, edgy, socially awkward ones I dislike keep repeating, can't get rid, like old chewing gum.

'- Client goes wandering around and knocking on the wrong door' - Very common, even with the best directions they get distracted, panicky. They jump willy nilly into the nearest gate or door. Ring any bell in front of their nose. Loose ability to tell left from right, ass from elbow.

'- Client loudly and indiscretely talks to me in the doorway where neighbours could hear.' Very common, they have no volume button, especially when nervous. Both when they enter and leave.

With practice you can control all those behaviours.

Masks-My male chum uses fem masks and body moulds privately. I can't say how your clients would react if it's on 100%  of the time or if it helps stop outting. There are more ways to out than seeing your face.
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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #22 on: 06 May 2019, 05:21:58 pm »
You know this is an open forum Lixi?

Thankfully somebody else did and the report button is working fine. Just in case anybody hadn't realised.

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #23 on: 06 May 2019, 06:21:32 pm »
Thank you, yes I suppose I can well imagine all of that being the case salty... Forewarned is forearmed but what I can really do if/when I decide to try any incalls I'm simply not sure, yet. Oh I'm sure, regulars are unlikely to be the guys I'd choose - I was speaking more on the basis that I'll be quite niche, most punters won't be interested in me in a million years, this working will likely live or die based on whether the people I'm right for are keen enough to see me more than once. But who knows, that's idle speculation.

And yes, I've said too much, and can only apologize for breaking the rules with those photos - clearly I'm getting jittery and overexcited again - probably best to let this thread lie at this point, I hope it won't be minded if I go back and redact a little of the more clearly identifying details at some point. This waiting is just getting to me - either I'll calm right down once I've done a meet, or know it isn't for me. Until then, I just need to practice patience.

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #24 on: 06 May 2019, 06:40:06 pm »
Lixi I have read this whole thread and have to say the doubts you have are many and big and quite honestly it makes exhausting reading. You say you have emailed/messaged and chatted to many potential clients and I wonder have you gone into too much discussion with them? You must be aware that many men will just get what they want without ever actually meeting and the description of your photos (fetish/latex/masks etc) will hopefully encourage genuine men to pay you but it will also attract the time wasters in their droves.

One point I noted was that you are considering doing out calls. How would you do that if your "look" is not that of your average looking isignificant male knocking on a hotel room or house door?  Would you intend to arrive with your civvy every day look and disappear into the bathroom to emerge completely differently? 

Spending huge amounts of money on the best latex (and I love latex!!) is all very well but to get any of your money back and start making a profit however small, you need to make a decision and get your first booking over with as until that happens you could be dithering and doubting yourself indefinitely.

You say your family business is run during working hours near the home you describe you live in and family members will be there. The chances of a client turning up or driving around out of your escort hours and seeing you without your disguise is probably slim but nevertheless a possibility as there are men all too eager to cause a bit of bother one way or another.

In my opinion you have already given away bits of information which in the wrong hands could do some damage.

If this was me I would not work from such a place but would take the bull by the horns and book a hotel room asap, until you try it you won't know if you can do it and the risk of losing money if no one books or turns up is one we all have to take.

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #25 on: 06 May 2019, 07:44:14 pm »
Yeah, cos there's fuck all else to do! I spent time growing up in one of these communities and everybody knew everybody else's business. It was suffocating.
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« Reply #26 on: 07 May 2019, 04:57:51 pm »
I think the safety issue with cross dressing or transexual escorts has been attributed to the post-coital internalized homophobia guilt phenomenon; men who find tv/ts's sexually attractive but dislike themselves for it, and so after they cum they feel shoddy. From some trans escorts I've known over the years (not many) they reported to me high rates of guys 'going odd'... getting cold and dismissive once the sex is done. I've had it a few time with married or very religious men for instance. If the man has aggressive tendencies he might decide to take it out on you, but I've only got this from anecdotes so don't know what the 'data' is on it.

 But like any escort, screening well and operating sensibly can reduce risk hugely. I wouldn't do outcalls to private homes for example, perhaps just hotels? Its not that attacks don't happen in hotels but CCTV awareness minimizes the risk. If you're going to take bookings from home be sure to have a phone conversation first and only take booking with those who seem very friendly and at ease on the phone. Don't take bookings if anyone sounds shy or shifty or has even an ounce of attitude. There are of course always those who start charming but end up Bundy, but mostly the ones that sound like arseholes, are arseholes, and the ones that sound nice, are nice.

Consider putting a buddy add looking for another trans escort you could tour/duo with perhaps.

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #27 on: 09 May 2019, 12:50:39 pm »
Okay, so just thought I'd post a conclusion in here.
I think I've decided not to explore incalls. I want to be low numbers and keep this as a side gig, so the convenience and higher rates of interest in incalls aren't worth it to me.
With only outcalls listed and a work number up online, I've got my first actual booking made for tonight. Could be bs or a time waster but he got in touch over the phone, immediately gave a time and address and confirmed the correct price without prompting. I was talking in male voice and he seemed unphased, I explicitly asked for confirmation that he understood that I am male not trans and that I have a cock. He was cheerful and relaxed in his confirmation that that was why he contacted me. I've told him to call 1-2 hours before the booking to confirm before I get dressed up and head over. He's confirmed a private and discrete drive so my plan is to put on lingerie and makeup at home under loose hoodie and sweatpants, drive over, park up, if I consider privacy to be adequate I'll do my mask and nails and final spruce in the car before pulling up my hood and knocking at the door, if I am less confident in that I'll call and explain that I need to enter the house unmasked and give him the chance to unlock the door and step out of sight so I can finish my look inside the door.
I have informed one of my closest friends who is proven trustworthy as a safety buddy on unpaid sex meets and who isn't a security risk to my identity as a dresser, she knows the booking time, address, the guy's name and what time to expect a call or text by.


In other areas, the guys who'd been seeking bookings a little further down the line who I'm not sure are serious but at least one seems so to my instincts - have all happily accepted the idea of a hotel booking. That said, I contacted the only nearby chain hotel and they seemed to say that keycard was required to access the corridors which could prove problematic, further investigation will be required and hotel meets may prove unfeasible, most guys expressly want to avoid seeing me not en femme, and I wouldn't surprise and delight with my femininity met that way. I was hoping to be able to slip into an unlocked hotel room and into the bathroom, or to invite a client to the door of my hotel room with me all ready to go, but that may not be going to work out.  Part of me is tempted to just drive over there and try getting past the lobby myself to confirm - I suppose I could always give the client's name as the second person if I make a hotel booking? Would that enable them to pick up their own key card at reception? I've not spent enough time in hotels to be sure of any of this.


So home outcalls seem the way to go for the time being. Did a successful trial run on an unpaid meet with a local couple the other day which has me confident in my ability to get mostly ready under male/unisex clothes then switch quickly on arrival. Perhaps more risky, but I'm screening and have a safety buddy, so I feel safer than I would on an incall. I'd like to think that being overtly listed as a male TV, not trans, not convincing etc, answering the phone without much change in my voice and confirming they understand what I am could avoid some of the worst of the phobia. I'm SURE I'll get guys go weird and sullen and quiet. *I* got a bit upset and confused after my first time with a guy. But I'd be willing to bet that the worst of bad behaviour is more likely to be directed at girls who're actually trans and much more feminine than I'll ever be.


I've ignored 5 withheld number calls today - would you all say that's the correct course of action?


Additional points - a friend w/b in the nearest proper city a few hours away has offered me use of his spare room for touring - I don't know quite how that will work out, a bit concerned that he's going to expect a lot more favours than is really reasonable now that he knows about the escorting, but if it works out it'd be a great option, paying with sex for a safe location that isn't my home and where I'll have other people around to provide a sense of security, where I can safely advertise and tour from without risk of ending up out of pocket.


So I think incalls are off the table for now, too many better options. Thank you all for your help and support and putting up with my nonsense! I hope any questions or points I have in future will be significantly shorter and less wordy but I know what I'm like.


Also for those of you who told me to be careful about giving guys what they want over correspondence, point very clearly taken. I'm being a lot more curt now.

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #28 on: 13 May 2019, 01:04:27 pm »
How did it go Lixi?