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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: zara12345 on 23 February 2017, 03:11:34 pm
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Guys it's been a full week since my last booking . I only started last week and had two so far. My agency said I had one today but he cancelled last min. Feeling really deflated:( plus I really need the money.
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Have you asked the agency if it is quiet in general for them?The thing about being represented by an agency is that you don't know how well they are promoting you and their agency overall.Most likely it is just a slow time due to it being half term.
That's the thing about escorting and any job that is self employed,you will find it slow at times.I guess though as an independent you can play around with your own marketing to increase business and look for new places to advertise,hard to do that when you are on an agencies books.
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Start to advertise yourself alone and to work for yourself. You can keep the agency as an extra. Now I think it's slow for everyone as in some places is half term, there is a crazy storm today and it's the of February...
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Combine agency and independent.
Plus, are you with just one agency? Might be not enough, you're not the only one they advertise plus it's been a slow period.
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Hey Hun I worked for many agencies all over I used to travel to work at them I have worked for agencies where you have to wait in a office all night , a car all night ones where you can wait from home and ones where you have to wait from there incall . In every agency I worked for there were staff who had there favourites that would buy the receptionist things in order to get more work or in general they were more liked . I have worked at many agencies because I would get sacked from agencies for speaking my and standing my ground when it was quiet I would go home not sit in a office or car . My friend does the phones for a agency in London she was saying more and more girls are going independent she said some girls have had no work all week and have been in the office all night waiting for a job from 6pm to 6am drivers are starting to leave too .
I used to find that they would always know if you was working for some one else if your pics were up on the site they have rules that you can only work for them . But you need to do whats best for you do you feel like you could be indie ?
Good luck babe what ever you choose
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Hi! Just realised this has been merged ! I asked
My agency and they told me not to be disheartened and same thing you guys said , it's half term, awful weather etc . I haven't thought about going independent yet no as tbh I just don't have the time or patience to deal with people on the phone yet as I've heard of loads of time wasters? I'm literally JUST starting out so I'm gonna give it a little while and see if it's for
Me . If I feel long term I want to do it then independent is a good route in all honestly I like the fact of I get a booking and just go? Maybe I'm lazy and silly?
I don't pay for advertising, pics or an incall place and I like that SO far . But like I said could change And I might want more control x
Hope it picks up for everyone :) xxxxx
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Hi! Just realised this has been merged ! I asked
My agency and they told me not to be disheartened and same thing you guys said , it's half term, awful weather etc . I haven't thought about going independent yet no as tbh I just don't have the time or patience to deal with people on the phone yet as I've heard of loads of time wasters? I'm literally JUST starting out so I'm gonna give it a little while and see if it's for
Me . If I feel long term I want to do it then independent is a good route in all honestly I like the fact of I get a booking and just go? Maybe I'm lazy and silly?
I don't pay for advertising, pics or an incall place and I like that SO far . But like I said could change And I might want more control x
Hope it picks up for everyone :) xxxxx
but you do as your agency aint doing it for free :FF infact they cost you more :FF
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Yes sorry Zara, but if I get chance tomorrow I'll pick your OP and any posts that were useful or relevant to it (including the one you've just made) back out again and separate them into a.proper thread.
Off topic squabbling removed. If you object to a post either take it to PM or use the report button.
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Zara I don't want this to come across as being mean, I'm genuinely trying to help you.
As we all told you on your other thread, the very limited hours you're working are going to hurt you. Also I don't know about your agency, but when I very briefly did agency work when starting out, if you were only available at limited times you'd be bottom of the list for work when it did come in.
I do understand your predicament, I was in a position last year where I had to go and stay with family for a bit, and getting away with doing outcalls was a fecking nightmare! I couldn't take any bookings during my usual busy times, and money was really an issue. I said I had a job working shifts, and used to go and sit on wi fi on my phone and try to deal with everything during the hours I was 'at work'. It was hard and disheartening though, especially when you'd had a timewaster or whatever and just wanted to go home but couldn't. But it did mean I could take bookings.
Hopefully when you change your hours you'll notice a difference.....people will have been paid again by then too. :D
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Zara I don't want this to come across as being mean, I'm genuinely trying to help you.
As we all told you on your other thread, the very limited hours you're working are going to hurt you. Also I don't know about your agency, but when I very briefly did agency work when starting out, if you were only available at limited times you'd be bottom of the list for work when it did come in.
I do understand your predicament, I was in a position last year where I had to go and stay with family for a bit, and getting away with doing outcalls was a fecking nightmare! I couldn't take any bookings during my usual busy times, and money was really an issue. I said I had a job working shifts, and used to go and sit on wi fi on my phone and try to deal with everything during the hours I was 'at work'. It was hard and disheartening though, especially when you'd had a timewaster or whatever and just wanted to go home but couldn't. But it did mean I could take bookings.
Hopefully when you change your hours you'll notice a difference.....people will have been paid again by then too. :D
I agree with this, although I've always been indie. My working hours are 11-8, although I switch on my phone usually around 8am/9am (sometimes earlier if I'm up for the gym). I do get guys calling sometimes on their way into work for later that day - remember a lot of clients are married. So they'll use their commute, or 10 mins before they go into the office if they carpool or whatever, to try and book you, because it's the only time they have free to speak.
This isn't a great time of the month, plus its a traditionally quiet month for folk - I've been busy-ish, but I've returned from retirement so I'm a novelty again to old clients. The week before payday often is slow for everyone in any business - there are folk who are weekly paid, or like in our industry, get paid by the job, but the reality is the majority of folk are paid monthly. Traditionally, I have always been busy a few days after payday - bills/mortgages have clearly been paid, so they know what they have spare. A few days before payday, I just get on with life and take bookings as and when - I don't expect them, so don't go out my way for them.
Someone once told me to think like a client, and that is pretty helpful in some respects - I do keep my working times reflective of that, I have always kept where I worked reflective of that (I realise that you - Zara - use an agency flat, but if you ever go indie and use your own) in terms of parking, access etc as well as maintaining my own security standards. You can't please everyone and you'll always get knobs who want miracles for ?30 an hour or whatever. And they'd still try to haggle it to ?25 :FF
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Right, I've reorganised these posts so Zara has her thread back. Please now keep the general stuff for the Slow thread :).
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Zara,
Along the lines of what CG says. If you work very limited hours, for one agency only and from their incall flat only then you have here a few factors combined together that are not exactly in your favour. Plus it's been February.
1) I don't know how limited your hours are and if, during those hours, you wait for work at that incall flat or simply home (at yours). I did briefly some work for agency but it was only to top up my work as independent and they knew it perfectly well. Agency will try to get you work I believe because this is how they make money. But they don't have you only. So if you're not necessarily "in the receptionists' head" when a client calls looking for an escort. Maybe try and remind them every couple of hours or so that you are available, would love some work and so on. Receptionists are your best friends and it can't hurt.
2) if you are only with one agency then it may be worth trying a couple of other ones. Unless you agreed to exclusivity with the agency you work for?
3) if no exclusivity with your agency, then you could try and get some work as independent. Setting aw profile is easy and you would just have to pay to display your phone number maybe and local search? You need a few pictures, you cannot use the agency pics (you would violate AW terms & con) but selfies will do. You will need a security buddy (priority) and all other info is here.
Say you get one decent Outcall a week, if you need money I guess it could help?
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i know what everyone is saying with going independent but i want to build up some money first at least, and inbetween my full time job, friends, gym i just dont have the time to be screening clients etc. So far i am happy with the agency as i believe it is just a quiet period? wrong time to start i guess?
once i've built up my money and start my career in what i actually want to do i'll have more free time to do independent. I really do appreciate all the advise and tips i get from you guys though!
still no calls today but i'm not holding out much hope to be honest! i've stayed home today instead of waiting round in coffee shops doesn't seem half as boring haha!
when is payday for people in general by the way does anyone know? i get paid weekly from my normal job so i've no idea!
xxxx
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Zara,
Along the lines of what CG says. If you work very limited hours, for one agency only and from their incall flat only then you have here a few factors combined together that are not exactly in your favour. Plus it's been February.
1) I don't know how limited your hours are and if, during those hours, you wait for work at that incall flat or simply home (at yours). I did briefly some work for agency but it was only to top up my work as independent and they knew it perfectly well. Agency will try to get you work I believe because this is how they make money. But they don't have you only. So if you're not necessarily "in the receptionists' head" when a client calls looking for an escort. Maybe try and remind them every couple of hours or so that you are available, would love some work and so on. Receptionists are your best friends and it can't hurt.
2) if you are only with one agency then it may be worth trying a couple of other ones. Unless you agreed to exclusivity with the agency you work for?
3) if no exclusivity with your agency, then you could try and get some work as independent. Setting aw profile is easy and you would just have to pay to display your phone number maybe and local search? You need a few pictures, you cannot use the agency pics (you would violate AW terms & con) but selfies will do. You will need a security buddy (priority) and all other info is here.
Say you get one decent Outcall a week, if you need money I guess it could help?
hi! yes this is really good advice except i am exclusive to the agency! i'm going to give it a few more weeks and if work does not pick up then i will take the advice and go independent? but like i said i feel like i'll need some money behind me to do that!
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hi! yes this is really good advice except i am exclusive to the agency! i'm going to give it a few more weeks and if work does not pick up then i will take the advice and go independent? but like i said i feel like i'll need some money behind me to do that!
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Maybe try and wait until mid-march ? If by then you don't get more work from this agency then it's also possible that this agency is not good for you and you could try another one...?
You don't need that much money to start as independent. I started with zero money, i remember being here in saafe asking for advice when I had like 40 quid for my advertising:)
But if you feel like being independent is not for you then it's a different story. We all have our pr?f?rences xxx
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I believe that for people paid monthly pay day starts somewhere after 25th of the month / last Fri of the month. Maybe another lady can advise on that?
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At various civvy jobs I've worked, I've been paid on:
The 26th (or if that falls on the weekend, the previous Friday)
The 28th (as above)
Last working day of the month (as above)
Last Friday of every month
With February being a short month, I'd expect most people will be paid on Tuesday next week, but some will have already been paid by Monday.
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At various civvy jobs I've worked, I've been paid on:
The 26th (or if that falls on the weekend, the previous Friday)
The 28th (as above)
Last working day of the month (as above)
Last Friday of every month
With February being a short month, I'd expect most people will be paid on Tuesday next week, but some will have already been paid by Monday.
thank you!! so i could get a booking tomorrow fingers crossed although i'm not holding out much hope!!
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I started out as an indie with my student loan financing my stockings and Ann Summers sale undies, doing outcalls only because I had a flatmate at the time. You really don't need a lot of money to start out. I think the most expensive thing I bought when I started was a pair of heels.
I recall at one point in my life, I did speak to an agency, but they made a negative comment about me having tattoos so I pretty much sacked that idea.
Like VC says, payday can be a variety of days for people. But I would also say to bear in mind that some people can be inclined to hold off until their bills have came out as well. It's like any luxury item/something you want to spend money on, you wait until you've paid your mortgage etc then you see what you have left over. Some clients are financially stable enough that ?100+ isn't that much of a stretch for them, but others do have to save.
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Some clients are financially stable enough that ?100+ isn't that much of a stretch for them, but others do have to save.
A fair few are retired too, so payday is irrelevant :)
I don't actually find it makes much difference to me what week it is and I'm not convinced that many punters live in this month-to-month way, but then I don't live in a particularly affluent area plus a lot of people here are paid weekly anyway.
I'd crack on with getting some indie ads sorted, but I agree with those that say limiting your hours might be a big part of it. I don't really know why, but I tend to associate agencies with evening bookings rather than daytime ones.
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A fair few are retired too, so payday is irrelevant :)
Which explains why all my bookings this week have been pensioners :D
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Which explains why all my bookings this week have been pensioners :D
Actually I think at least 2/3 of mine have! I suppose they don't give a toss about school holidays, either.
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Actually I think at least 2/3 of mine have! I suppose they don't give a toss about school holidays, either.
I thank God for OAP's ;D
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Hi Zara!
What comes across to me (as someone that has worked as an escort for two decades, on and off :) is that you seem to think that being an escort = easy money with no effort (not trying to be mean here).
This used to be the case, but really isn't any more due to the vast numbers of girls all trying to do the same thing. You have to stand out and make a little more effort than the rest to see good returns - joining an agency and accepting their "ho, hum" replies isn't going to cut it if you want to earn. Of course they are going to make excuses to you about why they aren't getting you work - it's in their interest to keep you on their books exclusively. Be careful though or you might find you're still receiving the same response from them come August. (it's the school holidays, no one books now) etc.
It's not nice to hear I know but if you want to get work you need to put some effort in. It's not enough just to join an agency and sit back any more. Either join several and chase them up daily or go indie and accept that does mean speaking on the phone to people from time to time. Xx
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Hi Zara!
What comes across to me (as someone that has worked as an escort for two decades, on and off :) is that you seem to think that being an escort = easy money with no effort (not trying to be mean here).
This used to be the case, but really isn't any more due to the vast numbers of girls all trying to do the same thing. You have to stand out and make a little more effort than the rest to see good returns - joining an agency and accepting their "ho, hum" replies isn't going to cut it if you want to earn. Of course they are going to make excuses to you about why they aren't getting you work - it's in their interest to keep you on their books exclusively. Be careful though or you might find you're still receiving the same response from them come August. (it's the school holidays, no one books now) etc.
It's not nice to hear I know but if you want to get work you need to put some effort in. It's not enough just to join an agency and sit back any more. Either join several and chase them up daily or go indie and accept that does mean speaking on the phone to people from time to time. Xx
I agree, better she invests some effort and energy into it rather than sitting back relying on an agency whos receptionist most likely don't give a shit about anything other than getting paid. As for putting ?'s in the purse agencies maybe OK if you are the company/receptionists flavour of the month otherwise you can find yourself way down the line getting all the shitty jobs and punters nobody else wants.
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I'm having trouble understanding how someone can be exclusive with an agency.
Aren't agencies illegal in the first place? If so, they can't get damages or anything if you work as an indy. If the worry is that they'd drop you... Well... if they have genuine slow periods, are they really scouring ads to improve theirs, etc?
If it were me, I'd start writing up my ads, getting pics in order, etc, and plan to work under a different name with blurred face pics. While keeping the agency job.
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When I started out I worked for 2 agencies straight away. It was stressful at times, but at least I had regular weekly income. Very soon I became indie and still worked for 2 agencies for a few years. I had quite huge bills and debt to pay and I couldn't afford to have slow weeks. It worked very well for me.
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The longest I had no booking from an agency was 3 months ( I was available 5-6days a week, 3weeks a month and very flexible with my time.
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Hi Zara!
What comes across to me (as someone that has worked as an escort for two decades, on and off :) is that you seem to think that being an escort = easy money with no effort (not trying to be mean here).
This used to be the case, but really isn't any more due to the vast numbers of girls all trying to do the same thing. You have to stand out and make a little more effort than the rest to see good returns - joining an agency and accepting their "ho, hum" replies isn't going to cut it if you want to earn. Of course they are going to make excuses to you about why they aren't getting you work - it's in their interest to keep you on their books exclusively. Be careful though or you might find you're still receiving the same response from them come August. (it's the school holidays, no one books now) etc.
It's not nice to hear I know but if you want to get work you need to put some effort in. It's not enough just to join an agency and sit back any more. Either join several and chase them up daily or go indie and accept that does mean speaking on the phone to people from time to time. Xx
Hi! No I don't think you're being mean at all! I think you're right .By joingig the agency I'm not going to lie i thought it would take a lot of leg work out ! I had a different idea of what it would actually be like ! I'm going to go indie as well as agency I think ! You've all convinced me! X
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Hi! No I don't think you're being mean at all! I think you're right .By joingig the agency I'm not going to lie i thought it would take a lot of leg work out ! I had a different idea of what it would actually be like ! I'm going to go indie as well as agency I think ! You've all convinced me! X
Just PM you:)
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At various civvy jobs I've worked, I've been paid on:
The 26th (or if that falls on the weekend, the previous Friday)
The 28th (as above)
Last working day of the month (as above)
Last Friday of every month
With February being a short month, I'd expect most people will be paid on Tuesday next week, but some will have already been paid by Monday.
Totally agree with this