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Jasmine

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Services? Which ones are safe?
« on: 14 March 2010, 11:58:14 pm »
Hi,
I am fairly new to everything but I keep getting asked what services I provide. At the moment I do oral with protection, but I heard the risk is small so I am thinking about going ahead with owo and cim. But what about facials, french kissing and recieving oral? Are these safe to do?? Sorry if I'm being dumb!! Just want some advice on services to stay away from.

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Re: Services? Which ones are safe?
« Reply #1 on: 15 March 2010, 12:15:31 am »
Generally, do what you're comfortable with. Risks may be small but it's a risk anyway, like everything else we do. I won't do anal as I'm not comfortable with it at all and I make that perfectly clear to anyone who thinks they might "convert" me to being an anal queen - they need to know it's never gonna happen but there's ways and means of letting someone down without blowing your chances (so to speak) of a potential booking.

As for the french kissing/ facials/ receiving orals - again, what you're comfortable with. Gotta say, I've been more impressed with my clients oral skills than kissing but no worse than being kissed by a dog, I suppose. I prefer facials to CIM but that really is just a personal preference; I offer both though. What I would strongly advise though is avoid bareback like the plague - the short and long term risk to your health just ain't worth it and you've no idea where that guy's been.

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Re: Services? Which ones are safe?
« Reply #2 on: 15 March 2010, 09:52:33 am »
Jasmine, take a look at the following articles from the main SAAFE site as a great starting point :):
STIs and GUMs and Oral With or Without? should help, plus the search function on this forum can be helpful to find out what other working girls and boys have said. There's a very recent thread here with some useful studies linked to and discussed by xw5 and Benny.

Ultimately, which services you provide are solely your decision and you should hopefully never feel pressured to offer anything you don't want to do. Anyone who says, "If you don't do anal/CIM/bareback you won't make any money" is a liar and doubtless does *not* have your best interests at heart.

Unprotected sex is to be avoided at all costs due to the enormous risks, and although oral without a condom has lesser risks there still are some so different sex workers may or may not offer it. Punters like to debate the risks of spreading STIs through reverse oral (performed on the woman) but your best bet all round is to pop into your local sexual health clinic and ask them *everything*. It's their job to help inform people about these things and I've found they've always had a really fair way of explaining stuff - they don't make shocked faces at anyone being a sex worker and definitely do not judge anyone's decisions. If you write down some specific questions you have, maybe, then you can make sure your personal worries are addressed rather than just learning more generally about safe sex. I've gotten a lot of sympathetic and practical advice and generally been helped to feel less overwhelmed by the risks and dangers so I definitely recommend chatting to a professional in this area. :)
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Re: Services? Which ones are safe?
« Reply #3 on: 15 March 2010, 10:03:00 am »
'Safe' is difficult to achieve: even if you're doing phone chat porn, with zero risk of catching even a cold off them, callers can come up with disturbing material.

OWO carries risks of picking up various nasties, but you probably either already have them (like HSV-1, the cold sores virus) or they're treatable (like the bacterial ones). Receiving oral is less risky, and the arguments about what you can get that way continue in the medical journals. Facials should be fine, and the main problem is 'red eye' if you get semen in the eyes.

What Annabelle (and now EmilyJones) say about it being what you're comfortable with.
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Re: Services? Which ones are safe?
« Reply #4 on: 30 March 2010, 07:03:10 pm »
I have to admit i dont know any clients that  would see an escort who does not offer owo and french kissing also many of the clients ive seen like to go down on me.
 All services you offer are at your descretion and totaly your decision but i do think owo is fine providing you gargle an antibacterial mouthwash after the booking. it's probably a good idea to look up things like herpes online so that you'l know when a client has one and you can then turn down the service
and of course get to the gum clinic regularly!

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« Reply #5 on: 30 March 2010, 07:52:25 pm »
Actually facials can expose you to STDs in your eyeballs too - chlamydia for sure but possibly others. 

I know many people won't support what I say but I agree with the line that "if you don't offer x,y,z, you won't make any money".  I'm sorry but I think it 's more true than not.

You have to prepare yourself for the likelihood that saying no too often does not go over well with clients.  I am not suggesting that you allow yourself to manipulated into performing in ways that make you uncomfortable but that you are very clear on your "menu" on your site (that is if you discuss services on your site).

I was very nervous when I started too.  I find that the more experience I have the broader my repertoire becomes but I tend to be very liberal in the first place anyway.  Clients tend to be put off if you seem afraid of them and their bodies so you really have to learn to finesse things if you don't want to perform certain activities. 

There was a girl in my area who was known as quite a smooth operator because she was able to give covered blow jobs and the guys didn't even know it!!! There were scores of reviews about how they looked down and voila!, they hadn't even known it was there.

So that might be your niche.  :)


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Re: Services? Which ones are safe?
« Reply #6 on: 30 March 2010, 08:46:17 pm »
I have to admit i dont know any clients that  would see an escort who does not offer owo and french kissing also many of the clients ive seen like to go down on me.
 All services you offer are at your descretion and totaly your decision but i do think owo is fine providing you gargle an antibacterial mouthwash after the booking. it's probably a good idea to look up things like herpes online so that you'l know when a client has one and you can then turn down the service
and of course get to the gum clinic regularly!

Annabelle x

There are plenty of clients who see WGs not offering OWO - mine for starters, and I'm certainly not the only one on here making a good living without it. If a client is carrying gonorrhoea, say and you are unlucky enough to pick it up during the service, you could gargle with Domestos and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. Some of the stronger mouthwashes also thin the lining of the mouth when they are used repeatedly and make abrasions which will allow infections to be passed on more likely; the risks are small, but they are most definitely there and there are plenty of clients who are not prepared to take them. I know, because they pay my bills  ;D.

Reverse oral is lower risk from a punter's point of view because infection is concentrated around the cervix, which is not accessible during the act. If a punter has cuts, ulcers or abrasions in his mouth both parties are more at risk, but then if he has he shouldn't be doing it (get a good look at tongue, teeth and so on whilst he is talking for an idea of the state of his oral health and hygiene). Don't be afraid to refuse a service you usually offer on these grounds, and don't be afraid to state why.

Kissing is extremely low risk and I wouldn't worry about anything apart from herpes. This isn't hard to spot usually, but can rarely be passed on throught asymptomatic viral shedding even when there is no visible rash/cold sores. Saliva on it's own isn't an effective carrier for anything apart from colds and so on.

The main thing is to be crystal clear about your boundaries - it's not a question of a client getting pissed off when he's told no; if you make it clear that a service is available or not it should never get to that. The main thing they don't like is being misled, and when we're talking about large sums of money that's hardly unreasonable.

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Re: Services? Which ones are safe?
« Reply #7 on: 30 March 2010, 10:31:52 pm »
Many Dentists endorse mouthwash to build gums so i don't think regular use of mouthwash will deteriorate the state of your gums.
Also im not saying that mouthwash will protect you against STI s' but i am saying that keeping yourself healthy and removing the bacteria in your mouth left from a booking will certainly stop you from being run down which in turn means your less likely to catch an STI should a client be carrying one.
 I did say that the services one offers is at ones discretion and their decision however i am expressing my personal opinion that escorts who do not provide services such as owo, french kissing and cunnilingus will be unlikely to get very many bookings. The ladies who profess they do well without providing such services are talking on the internet so often i do wonder how they have time for all their clients that don't want owo, cunnilingus etc 

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« Reply #8 on: 30 March 2010, 11:05:34 pm »
And you are entitled to your opinion but that is all it is, and if you have no experience of working without offering OWO you have no way of knowing what the clients who book these WGs want and don't want. I do agree about kissing and would be inclined to think anyone not prepared to offer this when it is so common nowadays is likely to struggle, particularly working as an independent. Plus, I did not mention gums when I was talking about mouthwash, I was referring to the effect of strong mouthwashes on the lining of the mouth - many of these (Listerine, for example) contain high levels of alcohol which is not something that it is wise to have in constant contact with mucous membranes.

You can speculate all you wish on how much business other workers are getting (and I think you will find that the most prolific female posters on the punting boards do, by and large, offer OWO and so on) but I can't imagine why you would care what anybody else is doing as long as you are gettng as much work as you want? And why would anyone lie about being busy if they weren't - I assume you weren't referring to me as I spend little time 'talking on the internet', but I honestly don't understand what point you're trying to make?

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Re: Services? Which ones are safe?
« Reply #9 on: 31 March 2010, 09:58:38 am »
I was musing yesterday on the badness of escorting when it is treated like some kind of competition. More services, more clients, more everything, then you'll be The Best! Which frankly isn't even true, but it's also such a damaging way of thinking. There are plenty of clients to go around and it freaks me out that women doing this work might think that they need 10 clients a day to prove to themselves that they are the most attractive and irresistible woman in the country. You can't win at escorting. You can only find your own niche and your own lovely clients who suit you (and vice versa) - not to mention, a careful budget means that you can earn your keep, go on holidays three times a year AND save, all without having to desperately offer more-more-more and accept any and all Joe Bloggses who call to keep up your income.

My blathering aside, I think it's a little damaging to say, on a forum designed to help new escorts, that anyone OUGHT to be doing anything. So perhaps if you think that anyone not offering OWO is actually a delusional pauper living in a cardboard box because they won't offer the same services as you, you should just keep that thought to yourself in case a newbie comes along and starts worrying about not doing OWO, CIM, etc etc?

In my working experience of over a year now, fewer services means fewer clients, which means lower risks to your health and safety and generally a more enjoyable, enthusiastic time had by all. But I suppose I don't own any silly designer handbags or shoes so maybe my working methods are just awful! :P
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Re: Services? Which ones are safe?
« Reply #10 on: 01 April 2010, 12:47:57 am »
I have never offered OWO and I do absolutely fine. Why do I have plenty of time to waste on the internet, drinking with my friends, or playing with my wii? Because like most escorts I only work a few hours a day, absolute maximum of 4, to prevent myself getting worn out.

There are clients who care about their health as much as I care about mine, there are clients who aren't much into oral, and there are clients who would like OWO but are willing to do without as they think I am the escort that suits their needs best anyway. I agree that it is definitely not right to be saying any escort should be providing x service, if I choose to set up as an escort who offers more limited services that is my business and no one elses, and new girls should not feel under pressure to do anything they aren't happy with.
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