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Asterte

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Escort apprenticeship?
« on: 30 April 2014, 07:37:53 am »
Hi all,

I'm new here so apologies if I make a mess of this. I am a complete amateur when it comes to sex work, but I'm not completely inexperienced with the industry. However, I want to get off on the right track to becoming more professional. The problem is, I can't think of anyone to ask for some one-on-one help. Here is my plan: I will pay an escort that seems to have a similar personality to mine for her time, but instead of the usual grind I want to just talk about her experience in the industry and see if I can go about being her apprentice if at all possible. I really don't want to go to an agency and I don't want to go about doing this on my own. Let me emphasize that I don't want to bother the escort, but since time is money, I don't see why I can't get some good, paid-for advice for an hour or so. Is this too weird? I have no intention of barging in on anyone's life and being a nuisance. If an apprenticeship is possible, I would be more than willing to give a big percentage or maybe even all of what I make to the potential mentor. I know this borders on shady territory, but I am NOT looking for a pimp/prostitute situation. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Escort apprenticeship?
« Reply #1 on: 30 April 2014, 09:29:24 am »
If you are nervous then that will be the case if you spend time with an escort or not, I think this forum will answer all your questions about escorting and if not then ask new ones,

The basis for escorting is sex, and if you know how to do that you're halfway there! Of course sexual health etc is crucial but again saafe covers that too, I don't really understand what you mean by apprenticeship ? If you are giving a cut of your earnings to your mentor that immediately makes it illegal and I wouldn't be willing to be involved in that,

Good luck anyway, maybe someone here will be willing to help x
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« Reply #2 on: 30 April 2014, 09:45:53 am »
Asterte, the best way to learn is through experience.  I know that sounds daunting to a person not on the business but it is the truth.

The first thing to do on SAAFE is to read the Main Site, the button for which you will find above ^^^^^^.

Read it three or four times minimum as you will take it different things each time.  These readings will spark off a million more questions you will want to ask.  Write down the questions as you go and then when you have finished the reading go to the "search" button, one of which is just along from the " Main Site" button or there is one in the top right hand corner, so you have two buttons to choose from.  Put in relevant words for the questions you want to ask. More likely than not any questions you want to ask have been asked a million times before by others starting out in the business.

If you don't get an answer to your first selection of words put in similar words for if your spelling is amiss you may miss out on a lot of answers.

You should get your answers that way.  If there are one or two questions that you have thought of that you think haven't been answered then put them on the board and the girls will help.

Becoming a prostitute is all about learning before and during your time of working.  Much of the work is down to our own intuition. It could take you years to learn something without getting the experience.

Most bookings can be the same but many can be very different in their own way too.

Sitting asking someone questions for hours is never going to get you any of the answers you can't get online for FREE and I would be most surprised if anyone would be willing to do it also.  When we are working we want to be earning our hourly rate - normally 100 GBP upwards and when we are not we prefer to chill and get away from it.

You are not the first person to think of entering the profession via "in house training" like you spoke of but in the eight years I've been in the industry I've never known anyone to be willing to give up their time to do it, not in bulk anyway, via SAAFE a question at a time may be the slower way but it is all about baby steps in the beginning.

Don't try running before you can walk.  A year of asking questions will never prepare you for your first "real life" first experience of prostitution.  Slowly slowly catchy monkey as they say. Read read read read and then read some more, there are no shortcuts in this business.

Once you learn where to find things, on here and other sites, it will be at your fingertips for the rest of your life, no matter what the time of day and no matter what the day of the week it is.

Good luck and happy reading.  Oh and have a dictionary to hand too incase you come across words you don't understand.



« Last Edit: 30 April 2014, 09:50:29 am by Lady_Lust_XXX »
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Re: Escort apprenticeship?
« Reply #3 on: 30 April 2014, 09:47:29 am »
Hi all,

I'm new here so apologies if I make a mess of this. I am a complete amateur when it comes to sex work, but I'm not completely inexperienced with the industry. However, I want to get off on the right track to becoming more professional. The problem is, I can't think of anyone to ask for some one-on-one help. Here is my plan: I will pay an escort that seems to have a similar personality to mine for her time, but instead of the usual grind I want to just talk about her experience in the industry and see if I can go about being her apprentice if at all possible. I really don't want to go to an agency and I don't want to go about doing this on my own. Let me emphasize that I don't want to bother the escort, but since time is money, I don't see why I can't get some good, paid-for advice for an hour or so. Is this too weird? I have no intention of barging in on anyone's life and being a nuisance. If an apprenticeship is possible, I would be more than willing to give a big percentage or maybe even all of what I make to the potential mentor. I know this borders on shady territory, but I am NOT looking for a pimp/prostitute situation. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

The problem with duos is that you can be regarded as a brothel. Even so it is the way I learned the trade. I went with my friend who at the time met clients in their cars. I was extra security, well that was the excuse if the guy asked. Even when you already have experience you learn a lot, for example you really should do everything and keep control.  We both progressed to incalls but I do it basically the same way and it works well. If you are going to start like that you need to know someone who you can trust and who will trust you.

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« Reply #4 on: 30 April 2014, 10:11:12 am »
If you are giving a cut of your earnings to your mentor that immediately makes it illegal and I wouldn't be willing to be involved in that,

Yes, causing or inciting prostitution for gain isn't one I'd want on my file either.

I think the main problem apart from that would be that there isn't a 'right' way to work - no two people are the same and what works for one in terms of advertising, pictures, appointment lengths and just about everything else doesn't mean it'll work for another. One of the major advantages of reading discussions here can be that you get a broad view rather than just one person saying 'do it like this'.

I do think having a buddy who can help with support and also things like security calls is vital, and you can get help with that here is you don't know anybody close to you, but as the others have said, there isn't any substitute for experience. But anybody you find claiming to be able to 'teach' you the job in exchange for ????? (and there's a few of them out there) is only interested in one thing, and it isn't your wellbeing.
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« Reply #5 on: 30 April 2014, 10:42:18 am »
One, I'm saying that I would be paying the actual hourly rate the escort requested. I'm not some bad client who's going to ask for a handout. Two, the scope of my vocabulary is the least of my problems, thanks very much. Google is much quicker than me thumbing my way through a dictionary anyway. Three, I can see the issue (legally speaking) of an apprenticeship. I'm sure the mods are getting tired of newbies like me by now. I do want to add that I have been "lurking" on and off for a bit and I know the drill; I have been reading and searching for the answers to my questions, but was finding it a little tedious to put in a search inquiry for something I could ask and gauge the response for myself. Take it easy, people. I'm just an apparently clueless girl in over her head. Serves me right for asking the grizzled veterans of saafe.

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« Reply #6 on: 30 April 2014, 11:03:42 am »
The legal issue aside, I really would warn you that there are an awful lot of sharks out there too, and they come in female form too.  Some of the most unscrupulous pimps I have heard about were actually women.  As others suggested use this site and forum to find answers to possible questions.  Then be really honest with yourself and work out what is your comfort zone.  What would feel ok and what would not.  Those boundaries are your bench mark and stick by those.  Just because you offer a sexual service, does not mean anyone else can tell you what kind of services you need to offer.   

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« Reply #7 on: 30 April 2014, 11:24:58 am »
One, I'm saying that I would be paying the actual hourly rate the escort requested. I'm not some bad client who's going to ask for a handout. Two, the scope of my vocabulary is the least of my problems, thanks very much. Google is much quicker than me thumbing my way through a dictionary anyway. Three, I can see the issue (legally speaking) of an apprenticeship. I'm sure the mods are getting tired of newbies like me by now. I do want to add that I have been "lurking" on and off for a bit and I know the drill; I have been reading and searching for the answers to my questions, but was finding it a little tedious to put in a search inquiry for something I could ask and gauge the response for myself. Take it easy, people. I'm just an apparently clueless girl in over her head. Serves me right for asking the grizzled veterans of saafe.

If the mods were tired of newbies, they wouldn't be mods - newbies are the reason the site and forum are here. But since you don't seem to want to listen to people when they're trying to help, you're quite right that members are going to take exception to petulant, ranty responses like the above.

Your first sentence is irrelevant - nobody thought you were a punter wanting freebies and it's nothing to do with anything.

The poster who mentioned the dictionary was probably concerned about you getting pushed or pressured into doing services you're not comfortable with because there are a lot of varied abbreviations, euphemisms and acronyms used and it takes time to learn them all. They also vary from country to country (a good example would be a newbie-hunting punter who tries to convince the unwary that 'GFE' means having unprotected sex like you would with a girlfriend).

I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'grizzled veterans' but if it's meant to be rude, you'll have to try harder than that. If you have so little respect for people with years of industry experience and knowledge to share, why come on and ask them for help?

Far more importantly, if you fly off the handle this easily when you don't get told what you want to hear, how on earth do you think you're going to deal with the customers?

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« Reply #8 on: 30 April 2014, 11:41:58 am »
Asterte, we were all clueless about the business until we got into it and got the experience from it and we all have to learn in our own time.  It takes years of prossying to pick up on many of the things and some things you may learn may NEVER come up in your working career even if it lasts 20 years or more.

No one, as far as I can see, is making accusations towards yourself re any of the points you have picked up on. If you find it tedious doing the research for prossying then it could be just as tedious doing the work too, if not more so.  As you say you have been lurking then you will have read that over and over again in many different situations.  Some people are annoyed by one thing whilst another just lets it go over her head and vice versa.  Horses for courses.

I would also like to add to finish with.  None of us are grizzled veterans on SAAFE, we are all just workers who spend our time on the forum trying to help each other in whatever way we can.  We all have our own way of working and as someone said previously, what works for one, may not work for another, for what works in Manchester may not work in London or Glasgow and what works in London may not work in Manchester or Glasgow.  It's all a case of trial and error and we are the ones who have to do the trials and make the errors and pass on to others who may ask what we did learn from the situation.
« Last Edit: 30 April 2014, 02:44:28 pm by Lady_Lust_XXX »
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Re: Escort apprenticeship?
« Reply #9 on: 30 April 2014, 11:47:16 am »
"When we are working we want to be earning our hourly rate - normally 100 GBP upwards and when we are not we prefer to chill and get away from it."
I was directing that reply mostly to the poster who wrote this. Look, I am not trying to have someone baby me online on a forum like this. The posts that pointed out the legality of my proposal were helpful and much thanks to those of you who warned me about anyone taking money being shady. I just wanted to know if asking and paying an escort for her time and advice were so weird. I mean, not getting pounded by a potentially disrespectful guy for an hour when you're on the clock sounds like a pretty good deal. I think the world of sex workers so why is it that nobody wants to take money that I would like to give in return for some useful tricks of the trade? Now that the apprenticeship idea is out the window, I just want to speak with a real escort who will give me the no nonsense lowdown on her job, face to face. If you're spending so much time and money to run your business well, why can't I contribute to that? What was that saying? Nothing is free in this life.

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« Reply #10 on: 30 April 2014, 11:58:27 am »
What Amy said.

I'm still not sure what you think someone could tell you in person that they couldn't do online.

If you insist on doing this, I'm sure the authors of some of the less successful whore-lit books would be delighted to take your money.
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« Reply #11 on: 30 April 2014, 12:04:04 pm »
I echo the advice above, that no two escorts work the same. I'm an independent escort and have received emails from ladies wishing to become escorts asking for advice. I always direct them to this forum, and explain that my way of working may not suit them. I say if they want any advice about agencies in the area and advertising as an independent I'm happy to offer them help with that, but as for how to conduct a booking etc it's really something you learn as you go. The advice on here about avoiding timewasters is universal to us all, but most of what we do we do because it works for us as individuals. Even escorts on this forum have disagreements. You need to set your own boundaries and limits on what you are happy to do.

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« Reply #12 on: 30 April 2014, 12:59:15 pm »
"When we are working we want to be earning our hourly rate - normally 100 GBP upwards and when we are not we prefer to chill and get away from it."
I was directing that reply mostly to the poster who wrote this. Look, I am not trying to have someone baby me online on a forum like this. The posts that pointed out the legality of my proposal were helpful and much thanks to those of you who warned me about anyone taking money being shady.

I was well aware of who you were directing your responses at Aserte.  One thing we have to be in this job is intuitive and I would need to have been blind not to have noticed.

What I was saying, in the statement I made is that when we are not with clients we usually "want to get away from the scene" not spend more hours talking about it, believe it or not, aside from the law and the unscrupulous people we come across on our journey in the business, there is a very prominent mental side to things and these are the things we need/want to get away from.  Again I will say, much of what we learn is from our own experiences and not others and certainly not by word of mouth.

Nowhere did I imply you were not willing to pay for your time with the escort, if you see that then my iPad must be missing something for it is not on my screen.

As Amy said, why ask questions if you are not ready to hear the responses.  We are only messengers passing on our experiences to others.  We have all had to take the long route to get into prossying, none of it is easy and most of it is unpaid and laborious, it is just the nature of the beast.

We appreciate things more if we have to do the work ourselves, no pain, no gain.
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« Reply #13 on: 30 April 2014, 03:38:18 pm »
Alright I am happy to charge you my hourly rate telling you what you would like to hear.  Not such a huge departure from pandering to a client's ego....   ;D

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« Reply #14 on: 30 April 2014, 04:09:11 pm »
I seem to recall a similar request some time back and I think from time to time and, no offence here to the OP or anyone else thinking of entering this industry, when programmes like Secret Diary of a Call Girl or films like Pretty Woman are aired, the general public seem to think, WOW.... these women are raking it in and living the high life.................. in fact, in most cases the things you see in films are so far removed from the truth............

What I would say to the OP here is this...............imagine an electrician, plumber, virtually anyone who is self employed as a sole trader............. imagine you contact him/her and put the same proposal to them?  Now, unless I am living in some bubble, I doubt many would be that happy to have someone really know the in's and out's of their particular business and how they go about it on a day to day basis...............

I think I am making sense here?  If not, please correct me. 

Also, as has been very well pointed out, none of us work the same way.  I work a completely different way to many of my colleagues in the industry and I have moulded my business/my persona to how I think it works best for me and the sort of clients I want to attract. 

Furthermore, and I hope this doesn't offend the OP, but nothing comes easy in life and all of us here have had to work hard and I have spent many years working hard, stressing, sometimes nervous, sometimes pissed off, sometimes worn out, sometimes burnt out but ultimately I have built up something I think is working well, so I certainly wouldn't be happy someone paying me (albeit my hourly rate) and me sitting down with them and saying here's the full story and what to do when I have put in many years achieving it myself.

Finally, no matter how much information I give you, or anyone else here, ultimately you are out there alone and it's not an easy thing to do by any means.  I think sometimes those that are too nervous, too worried, too scared are really not cut out for the job at all. 

One other piece of good advice I was once given which I am happy to share with you, as I have shared before is this.............

Go into a pub, any pub............... look around at all the men.  If there is one man that you seriously think, no way, I couldn't....... I wouldn't go through with it, then you are not cut out for it.............

OK, so we can have preferences to certain people we see (and I do judge by telephone accent/persona when I vet my callers and I do refuse some for my own personal reasons) but there have been many many occasions when I have opened the door or turned up at a hotel and thought to myself, oh dear but I have gone through with it and have treated even those that would be considered no oil paintings like real Gods and that is what this is all about. 

Sorry to digress a little. 

Good Luck
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