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Re: Escort agency 'uniform'
« Reply #15 on: 01 August 2012, 01:25:40 am »
Roxy, payment is upfront from the punter and in cash - don't let them tell you otherwise. You are not their employee, you are paying them to find you work and they need you far more than vice versa. I'd be tempted to tell them that you'll be deducting the value of the clothing they've insisted you buy from their commission, too. You could even do them an invoice.

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« Reply #16 on: 01 August 2012, 02:18:12 am »
Also, they are on very shaky grounds with all these rules and uniforms.  The last time an agency got strung up legally, the prosecution used the fact that the owner advised the girls to wear stockings and suspenders as grounds that she was 'controlling' the girls for gain...!

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« Reply #17 on: 01 August 2012, 09:06:10 am »
Well apparently payment is half card and half cash depending on the customer

Just tell them you'll only do the cash ones  ;D

There is clearly a 'how not to run an escort agency' resource out there, and this bunch haven't realised that you're supposed to do the opposite of what it says.
'The Ian formerly known as SW5'. What they said: "Indispensable", "You are our best resource", and (hours later!) "I'm afraid that you're being made redundant..."

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« Reply #18 on: 01 August 2012, 09:15:14 am »
Well apparently payment is half card and half cash depending on the customer I'll see how it pans out but I'll be keeping records.

Oh. My. God. What good will records do?!?!?!

As Amy says, you HAVE to make sure you get ALL of YOUR fee up front and in cash from a client. If you are in doubt about this, please do have a comprehensive browse of our Warnings area and count up how many "he/she/they said they'd pay me later but..." threads are in there. And those are just the ones that have been posted. I know that I got ripped off by agency clients back when I was new but I wasn't on here to post about them and don't remember anything useful now.

Any agency who thinks you'll only be taking partial payment in cash from your clients (yes, YOUR clients - they are finding clients for YOU, and YOU are delivering the actual service to the clients and are therefore taking ALL of the payment for it - YOU then pay the agency a commission since they found the client BUT you do not have to bloody thank them for it because only they're doing what you've hired them to do AND they're basically making money for sitting on their stupid bums taking a few phone calls in between hassling, intimidating and threatening  "their" escorts ::)) ... if they tell you to only take partial payment, they are telling you a load of absolute bollocks.

There's a reason no other agencies or indies use Paypal or credit cards or cheques to take payment, and it's not because 99.99% of us are dumb and this one new agency is somehow run by an amazing genius. Unfortunately, I do believe it's the other way around! Credit cards, cheques and Paypal are COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE (sorry for caps but this is really important!) ways to take payment, as the payments made this way can be held by the company or unfulfilled or demanded back by the client. I'll say it again: There is a very good reason why 99.99% of escorts take their full payment in cash up front from our clients.

This agency is fairly new, right? I'd like to place a ?10 bet right now on them not still being around by this time next year. They are making all the classic "I know how to run an agency properly! It can't be THAT hard getting a bunch of silly women to shag a bunch of random men and possibly, or possibly not, get paid for it! Yeah woohoo I'm guna be rich!!" rookie mistakes. We see it regularly here on SAAFE when these kinds of 'entrepreneurs' think they're God's gift to sex workers and come and ask us (amazingly never managing to check whether this forum is even FOR people like them, when it's quite clear that it's not after even the briefest scan of the forum rules or the main SAAFE homepage because, as I say, they truly believe they were sent by God to help us sex workers stop being so darn independent and successful without them) what we think of their cheesy new website and their crappy 'new' ideas about credit card payments etc etc.

Be wary with these guys, okay? They've already proven themselves laughably ignorant - and it's likely that they'll end up proving themselves dangerously so, too.
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Re: Escort agency 'uniform'
« Reply #19 on: 01 August 2012, 09:22:42 am »
I read 'half card and half cash' as 'half the customers pay by card and half pay in cash', because I thought that 'they pay us 50% in cash and 50% by a card, like someone settling a group's bill at a restaurant' would be too weird even for this bunch.

But yes, I agree with everything else. Is it time to name them?
'The Ian formerly known as SW5'. What they said: "Indispensable", "You are our best resource", and (hours later!) "I'm afraid that you're being made redundant..."

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« Reply #20 on: 01 August 2012, 09:31:05 am »
I read 'half card and half cash' as 'half the customers pay by card and half pay in cash', because I thought that 'they pay us 50% in cash and 50% by a card, like someone settling a group's bill at a restaurant' would be too weird even for this bunch.

Either way, it's complete absurdity. I had a nightmare vision that each escort would be taking the agency fee in cash and the client would then pay the "escort's fee" (in quotes since it would basically be imaginary at this point!) by card. And at the end of the week, the escorts would deposit the agency fee into a PayPal account which would then be seized by PayPal due to adult industry stuffs, and then the clients would all rescind their credit card payments because it's not like they want "ESCORTZ R US" on their bill, and then, I don't know, the UK would just sink into the ocean in utter despair at all this nonsense! At the very least, the Olympics would have to be canceled. :P
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Re: Escort agency 'uniform'
« Reply #21 on: 01 August 2012, 09:37:48 am »
The whole set up sounds dodgy.

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« Reply #22 on: 01 August 2012, 09:53:46 am »
stepford wives springs to mind..

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« Reply #23 on: 01 August 2012, 11:56:51 am »
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« Reply #24 on: 01 August 2012, 12:21:12 pm »
Their half ?!?

If you want to find out if you can do this, please just get an AW account, sort out the losers from the genuine responses - there's lots of good advice here about how to do that, none of which the agency will do (it's not them in the room with the nutters) - and if it doesn't work out, delete the account.
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« Reply #25 on: 01 August 2012, 12:32:34 pm »
I can also imagine the clients face when you ask him for his passport so you can write down the ID number.  You will be told exactly where to go.  That might be the case in the US but here a client will run a mile if you try to do that.  The whole point of booking an escort is the discretion we are supposed to offer as well as there being nothing traceable in paper.  For them to expect a client to give his passport id number to you is laughable at best and could put you in a rather awkward or even nasty situation at worst.
I do not know of any client that would give those details to an escort or an agency so for them to expect this shows they do not have the experience they are telling you they have.  10yrs+ my arse have they as they would know that no client would do this. 

As for them taking 50% they really are having a laugh now.  There are 1000s of agencies out there and it seems you have found one of the very worst ones and would be better off looking at another if you do not want to go indy just yet
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« Reply #26 on: 01 August 2012, 01:24:58 pm »
Well if he doesn't want to give his passport number which I can understand then he has the option of paying cash. I don't see how that in itself is an issue. They take ?100 of every ?190 so just under 50% I'm fine with all of these things, I'm comfy with their safety procedure, I know this board doesn't like agencies for many good reasons I'm sure but I am comfortable with this, I'll ask about chargebacks but I see no issue with giving them a chance, anyways it's my first shift today can we think of all the ways it can go right instead because I was calm as owt this morning now I'm getting more and more nervous.

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« Reply #27 on: 01 August 2012, 01:52:41 pm »
Well if he doesn't want to give his passport number which I can understand then he has the option of paying cash. I don't see how that in itself is an issue. They take ?100 of every ?190 so just under 50% I'm fine with all of these things, I'm comfy with their safety procedure, I know this board doesn't like agencies for many good reasons I'm sure but I am comfortable with this, I'll ask about chargebacks but I see no issue with giving them a chance, anyways it's my first shift today can we think of all the ways it can go right instead because I was calm as owt this morning now I'm getting more and more nervous.

Have you had a chance to meet any other escorts who hire this agency to find them clients? Perhaps it would be a good idea to sit down with one of them and chat. And not a woman who says she "used" to work for them but is "now" a receptionist/manager/etc, as she could just be the handy female accomplice (or the ringleader of the operation, of course) put in place to reassure nervous marks. You'll want to chat to one or more other women who are maybe also just joining this agency so you can share your experiences and look out for each other.

Finding a safety buddy - someone who'd never earn any money from you, but who is looking out for you because they actually care - is important with agency work, too.

I know this board is very anti agency work (and I know I'm very negative about them in particular), but that's because of the many, many, many, many ways in which "agents"/pimps have been known to take advantage of industry newbies.

That doesn't mean that it's impossible to work for an agency safely. Far from it. It just means that you must never TRUST an agency. Don't listen to anything they say. Get your own security buddy. Take your full payment in cash up front from each client, or terminate the booking immediately and leave if he won't pay. Never give personal details to an agency. Don't trust them or anything they say (that one bears repeating!). Never perform sexual services until you have received the payment, counted it in front of the client (so you both know the right amount is there) and checked it with a note-checker pen. No genuine client will be offended by this as they'll understand you're just protecting yourself.

If you feel nervous now, that's probably your gut instinct perking up at hearing the sound advice from this thread. As I've said, we're not telling you that you cannot work however you like - that is every single sex worker's prerogative and it's very important - we are just suggesting ways that you can work safely, and without getting horribly ripped off, because that is what this whole forum is focused on.

To be honest, I don't think there's much point asking the agency about chargebacks. Considering that they've already said they'll "take you to court" if you steal their "intellectual property AKA clients" (my mind is still boggling over that one!) and are sounding a bit hostile/paranoid in general, they'll probably not take kindly to you asking them to confirm that credit cards are a viable method of payment for escorts. Because, well, they're not.

If you're honestly comfortable risking not getting paid (partially or fully) for providing full personal sexual services to men, and with not having a genuine safety buddy, then none of us here can argue with your own personal feelings and choices. I have my fingers and toes crossed that everything will turn out okay. Maybe this whole "credit cards" and "uniforms" thing is just a bit of faff and underneath is all they're a cash-up-front, on-site security, sensible little incall agency? *hopes!*
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Re: Escort agency 'uniform'
« Reply #28 on: 01 August 2012, 01:53:51 pm »
They take ?100 of every ?190 so just under 50%

YOU get less than half the fee?? :o

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