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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: nms1000 on 08 April 2011, 04:37:51 pm
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Hi ladies, I'm a newby and I'm looking a few different avenues in the industry. Basically I need to pay some bills and I'm pretty open minded but I don't necessarily want to go into full blown escorting yet, just ease myself in, lol. I was wondering, has anyone tried erotic massage either on your own or with comapnies like Links or Pearl London? What's the real deal here, do you have sex/ give handjobs or what?
thank you all
Naomi
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Typically, 'erotic massage' = hand job at least.
At those prices, I wonder how much business Pearl gets, but it looks like nicely presented hand jobs / prostate massage...
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- Boundaries (as with all sex work). I'd reccommend firstly deciding what you will and won't offer before your first appointments, as some guys can be pushy (especially if they see a newbie) and if you don't have clear boundaries you may find yourself getting talked into stuff as you hadn't thought about what you will and won't do first. That's what happened to me, but maybe I'm talking rubbish and the only way to find out your real boundaries is to try it out ???
No, I think you're right about setting your boundaries first. You might decide later that certain things sound ok after all, but it's going to be nicer doing it that way then finding through experience what makes you feel icky.
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Thank you for your help,
Loulou that's some really great info i wanted to ask, sorry to ask silly questions, I am happy to give handjobs but no real groping because I'm nervous that might open the floodgates for a horny man, BUT will clients find this is enough? also where do you get your work, is it mainly from AW? I'm keen to learn but I wonder how much work is out there for this, considering you're only going half way (iyswim). So do you do escorting as well for the pennies?
nay xxx
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I am happy to give handjobs but no real groping because I'm nervous that might open the floodgates for a horny man, BUT will clients find this is enough?
As in they don't touch your genitals? Yes, you can do this topless (or more clothed) rather than naked, for example. Some people charge more depending on how much they take off. You can also tie them up and market it as 'tie and tease'.
I wonder how much work is out there for this, considering you're only going half way (iyswim).
Think male :) - for some, as there's no 'real sex' involved, it doesn't count as cheating...
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also where do you get your work, is it mainly from AW? I'm keen to learn but I wonder how much work is out there for this, considering you're only going half way (iyswim). So do you do escorting as well for the pennies?
This is coming from someone who does full-service (GFE) escorting, which includes a few massages but usually more, so feel free to take with a pinch of salt :) but I think there are certain important trends in the sex industry right now, particularly areas that are close to each other (erotic massage and escorting aren't that far apart in the grand scheme, compared to starring in porn movies or working in a strip club etc).
For example, this industry has never been the license to print money (phrase shamelessly nicked from Amy ;D) that some inexperienced/naive people might assume, and it is even less so now that the recession has hit and certain prices go madly lower while more and more newbies take up sex work. This all sounds rather depressing but it doesn't mean that a determined, patient, smart person can't still make a good living in the biz - it just means you might need to be a little more determined, patient and smart than you might've had to five or ten years ago.
So I think a good piece of advice for anyone entering the industry - no matter what precise type of work they plan on doing - is to take it slowly. If it's at all possible, retain (or start) a possible second income at least for the initial phase. Any newbie who wants to work independently (there are massage-only parlours, but you'll have to rummage through lots of punter forums and review sites to find 'em) could be looking at 2-4 weeks of annoying phonecalls, pointless emails and creepy timewasters before they get their first booking set up; maybe even longer. This is good because it means you get plenty of time to learn how to listen to your gut and assess potential weirdos and timewasters over the phone and by email - these are all lessons you'll need to learn ASAP - but it's really ideal that you not be facing eviction if you don't earn ?400 by next week, even though that is probably the #1 time that most of us start this job in reality.
Basically, it's a good idea to set up a free profile on Adultwork, and maybe an affordable basic website for Punternet/Punterlink etc, and then spend a few weeks tinkering and tailoring your advertising until you find yourself getting a good number of genuine inquiries. You'll get plenty of practice dealing with annoying wankers that way, too! ;) You'll also have plenty of time to get your security sorted (ideally, you'll have a buddy who works in the same area with similar hours, so you can do security for each other - but the most important thing is to never be alone with a client without someone that you trust knowing where you are and what time you should be finished) as well as sorting out clothing/lingerie, massage table, toys, lube, condoms, whichever sex work equipment is most applicable to the appointments you'll be offering.
So, taking time is good, and basically, the only way to learn the precise answer to, "If I live in x town and do abc advertising and am available y hours and do(n't do) incalls only, how many clients will I get?" is to do some free/cheap experimenting yourself. We all run our businesses in very unique and personal ways so we can hardly ever give detailed advice on what to expect - well, beyond, "Clients and sexual services", anyway!
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Hiya
Firstly, both Winks and Pearls are extremely selective about who they take on. I have also heard mixed reports from other masseuses who have worked with them - some good, some strange. I work with an agency similar (but likely less busy) to Pearl/Wink/Carezzia and they get me around 1 booking a fortnight. An agency will take 35-40% of your fee - don't work with anyone who takes 50 or 60%. They are ripping you off.
Secondly, I get very limited bookings via AW.
Punters discuss masseuses like they do escorts so before you take the plunge, make sure that both your massage and your hand job skills are up to scratch - you only get one chance to launch.
A lot of the basic rules of escorting also apply to erotic massage - the security checks, the grooming and hygiene, the lingerie and outfits, the discretion, the screening of timewasters etc. etc. You will also need a supply of
- tealights - I use about 4-5 per job
- incense - but be careful with it in hotels as it can set off smoke alarms!
- bath oils and oil bars
- massage oil - I use almond oil, which you can buy in a lot of ethnic mini markets. Never use baby oil
- stockings
- flannels
- relaxing music
If you plan on using your home for incalls then you will also need a lot of towels and sheets, as well as a massage table If not, then you can hire a hotel 1 day per week to do your incalls
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Thank you so much ladies xxx
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Unless you're rabidly anti-vaccination or mortally afraid of injections, I would go for Hep B on a 'why not' basis. You might need to keep quiet about just where your boundaries are, but just telling a sexual health clinic you're starting escorting should be enough.
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Ladies, if any of you need an extra pair of hands, give me a shout. I'm starting erotic massage but ideally with a partner for safety and even better if you're experienced so you can teach me a thing or two.
I'd be happy to have an arrangement where we work together when you get requests for a 4 hands massage
xx Nay
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That's interesting. As an erotic masseuse I told my doctor about my occupation and he strongly reccomended to get a Herpes vaccine (it gets transmitted skin to skin and you can get it just by touching someone's genitals -assuming he has an outbreak in that moment, which is something difficult to detect-). I only offer HR so he didn't see any need of getting other type of vaccines. I've been doing this many years and besides the odd flu I've never been sick. He did warn me against giving HR whenever I had small cut in my hand or fingers and told me when that happened to cover my hand with a latex glove.
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If you work in a sexual health clinic you can get a bit cynical about whether people are telling you the whole truth as well as thinking that you might as well tell people to be ultra cautious.
I was having a check up last month, and while they didn't bat an eyelid at some of it, I got lectured about having condomless sex with my primary partner plus someone else we both see. Given that those are the only two people I've ever done bareback with and I got past thirty before it happened, I felt it was a bit rich of them, even making allowances for the above.
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That's interesting. As an erotic masseuse I told my doctor about my occupation and he strongly reccomended to get a Herpes vaccine (it gets transmitted skin to skin and you can get it just by touching someone's genitals -assuming he has an outbreak in that moment, which is something difficult to detect-). I only offer HR so he didn't see any need of getting other type of vaccines. I've been doing this many years and besides the odd flu I've never been sick. He did warn me against giving HR whenever I had small cut in my hand or fingers and told me when that happened to cover my hand with a latex glove.
Wow there's a vaccine for herpes, was this offered to you via the nhs? I never knew there was one. I've had the genital warts vaccine so definitely want the herpes one too! X
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Sorry I got confused here. The vaccine I got was for genital warts (HPV), not Herpes. my mistake :P
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Hi guys,
Started offering offering massage with HR a while ago to and wondering whether when you speak of supermarket oil do you mean the ones used for cooking too (forgive me if I'm wrong but a bit unsure) I'm thinking surely not, lol. I have proper carrier oil at present...? Plus are the flannels there incase client wants a nice candlelit soak beforehand to add to experience(would have thought most guys wanna be in and out shower quick and only bothered bought the massage and sensual stuff???
Thanks in advance
x
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I do both tantric msg and gfe.
I think I would die of starvation if I relied on the massage, but then I'm rubbish at marketing myself.
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- bath oils and oil bars
- massage oil - I use almond oil, which you can buy in a lot of ethnic mini markets. Never use baby oil
Re bath oil/bars and Almond Oil, DON'T use any products that contain NUT oils without checking first with client if they have a nut allergy.
I'm an ITEC qualified Therapist in Swedish & Aromatherapy massage and I tend to use Grape seed oil as a base, it's great for the skin and it's also cheaper. 500ml bottle of Grape seed on Amazon from Naissance ?3.99 & ?1.49 postage and delivered in a couple of days. I often use this company and they are fab :)
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Thanks guys I do gfe also but what are the supermarket ones ppl are talking about. Cudnt find any apart from cooking ones. Was grapeseed etc there but no body ones in tescoand aware of nut allegies etc thanks xx
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I've never found any in the supermarket. Chemists, organic stores or larger beauty shops.
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I've never found any in the supermarket. Chemists, organic stores or larger beauty shops.
Thanks Eva, tried a few Asian supermarkets with no joy but off I pop to aforementioned others
Merci madame x :)
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You can buy grape seed in some super markets (Sainsburys I think) I haven't seen any in Tesco for ages. It will be expensive in Boots the chemist and Holland & Barrett.
Olive oil is also used as a massage medium, but only in TINY amounts with another oil or your hands would come to a stop as you massaged (too thick) Don't use any of the other super market oils in the oil isle, whilst we can eat them & perfectly safe, some of them will smell disgusting on the skin.
As already mentioned Amazon is good and very quick to deliver, let me know if you want a link for the supplier I have used in a pm.
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You can buy grape seed in some super markets (Sainsburys I think) I haven't seen any in Tesco for ages. It will be expensive in Boots the chemist and Holland & Barrett.
Olive oil is also used as a massage medium, but only in TINY amounts with another oil or your hands would come to a stop as you massaged (too thick) Don't use any of the other super market oils in the oil isle, whilst we can eat them & perfectly safe, some of them will smell disgusting on the skin.
As already mentioned Amazon is good and very quick to deliver, let me know if you want a link for the supplier I have used in a pm.
Thanks a lot Annabelle, Didn't think you could use cooking oil although a pal did once, lol. Will manage on my carrier oil supplies for now and will pm you xx
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Sunflower oil is fine as well if you can't get almond oil. Sainsburys usually stock the almond oil. You can get from chemist too though it's more exensive.x Like someone else mentioned on here Baby oil is not good but I would kee a bottle in case somebody alergic to nuts.
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I always get almond oil off ebay really cheap...but I never thought about the nut allergy thing....omg...lucky I've never had anyone allergic, I'll remember to ask in future!