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UrbaneAspects

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Ok relating to the other thread, who is supposed to be making the times? My answer is that for one I've always been called and they let me know what time they wanted to meet. But I just want to confirm it. Who's supposed to be setting times here? Is it up to me to call a client and say, "I want to meet at such and such time, can you do it?" Or is it supposed to be the client who asks me that questions?

Obviously it got all twisted that I was supposed to had called him today and plan the meeting. Trust me, I'd love to do that but there's too many out there that dont have the intention on making bookings....

Also, this same guy did this last month, asked me for a booking...I told him, when? He said he was looking for around next week. I said, OK...call me then when you know which day. A month later he ask for the booking. So I took it for today. There wasnt a specific time frame set, but I did agree on a time of day...At which point I was expecting a call around then.

So really, who's fuck up is it. Is it my fuck up or his fuck up? Or did we both fuck up ???

UrbaneAspects

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #1 on: 18 January 2009, 06:10:52 am »
another thing is...he had confirmed a time with me the 1st time we met, and contacted me...yet this time there wasnt. Why do it once, and not do it another time  ??? and this also happened with someone else in the past, who I did eventually book. He called me on a Saturday night, asking if I was available. I told him,

"look...you said YOU were going to call me".
He says, "I was waiting for you call".
I told him, "I dont call my clients ok, Im not running anyone down".
He says, "I understand that, and I like that"
I said, "ok, so next time you want to see me, you need to call and make a time for a booking"....and so he called the next day and made a time

I dont get it  ???
« Last Edit: 18 January 2009, 06:16:22 am by JoeyR »

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #2 on: 18 January 2009, 09:38:01 am »
I state on my website that:
I never call you, I will not return a call even if you ask me to...
This is for your discretion....
I don't want to put you in the position of my calling when your at work, out with friends or at home with your family. If you can't get me on the phone, please call back when you have a chance or email me.


I don't know where a man is at any given time Joey.
By the time I have picked up a mail or a phone message, a few hours might have passed, I don't want to be calling him up and getting his wife on the other end of the phone.  God forbid.
I also am not prepared to use my cash up on calls to clients. If they want to see me, they will call back.

Together we set a time. I ask when they were thinking of seeing me. They tell me. If they say, Tuesday, I will say, what time exactly?
I have to know exact times, I couldn't not know an exact time.
I also make a point of asking them to call and confirm (if it's an outcall) the morning of the booking, I give them a time frame, say, 9am-11am and tell them if I don't get that call I will assume the booking is cancelled and go ahead with other plans.
If it's an incall, I never give my address out until the morning of the booking, they have to call me then to find out where I am!
Sometimes it's frantic trying to take that call to confirm as I am busy or have family around me. But I have to work this way. I can't sit about waiting on a client that might or might not turn up.

You take the control Joey. You set the rules. Your own rules. Make it a rule to have them call you not the other way around.
They're working on Viagra for women. Are they crazy? That's been around for hundreds of years - its called cash... Alonzo Boden.

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #3 on: 18 January 2009, 12:25:28 pm »
Hi Joey, I would say it's up to you and your client to come to a mutually agreeable time, but you both need to agree on an exact time, unless you want to sit around waiting for clients to turn up that have no intention of doing so.

Clients will be clients. Let's try and put ourselves in their shoes for a moment. For some of them it has taken months to build up the courage of making that call, I think the thought of meeting an escort for the first time must be terrifying for them - if that's the case I would accept an apology email or phonecall to say that something came up and they couldn't make it but would really like to re-book.

For those that just don't turn up without giving the courtesy of an explanation I would tread carefully before accepting another booking from them again - this is the signature of a timewaster and in this line of work time is precious and time is money. I'd make it known to them that they let me down before and I did not appreciate it.

Some clients like to speak to escorts on the phone, it's an opportunity for them to voice the fantasies they want to live out to someone who will listen to them with an open mind. They probably don't know anyone in their personal life that they can talk like that to. But that's not our job. Avoid getting into long conversations about what the visit will involve, what you'll do to him, what he'll do to you etc. because this is sometimes all the client wants - a cheap way of getting their kicks without ever having to pay out more than the cost of a phonecall. That's not what we're there for and if the client doesn't make firm booking arrangements but lots of detailed phonecalls I'd point him in the direction of a good adult chatline as it's clear he has no intention of meeting.

It's the same with dating. If your date says to you on the phone "yeah sure we can go to the cinema SOMETIME", then that is the crucial sign that the intention is not there at all and you should continue looking for Mr Right. Intention is signalled by definite times and dates. If he says "yeah sure we can go the cinema, how about I pick you up at 8pm on Thursday?", how much more likely does that sound like it's going to happen?

I would say that during my time as an escort approx 80% enquiries did not follow through to an actual meet, and 20% did. Of course it's natural for clients to make enquiries without booking (how often do you shop around for the best bargain when making a purchase online or in town?), but you just have to weed out the timewasters. I think you develop a knack for it as time goes on. Learn to be firm and polite or people will just walk all over you and take you for a mug. If you are busy when  a client wants to meet, tell them that time is not suitable for you instead of dropping everything to suit them, don't put them on a pedestal or feed into their ego. The world doesn't revolve around clients, there's plenty more where they came from and just remember that they probably need you more than you need them.

If you want to increase your likelihood of firm bookings, I think it all comes down to effective marketing. Think about who you're targeting... i.e. businessmen or students and what image of yourself you want to portray to potential clients i.e. rent boy (sorry to be crude and crass) or high class escort. Get yourself a good website. Think quality, not quantity.

Hope some of that helps, it's only stuff I've picked up from my experience as an escort. I happened to make every mistake in the book but I've always believed that every experience, whether good or bad, can be learned from, so here I am passing my lessons on to you!

Best of luck x



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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #4 on: 18 January 2009, 01:01:08 pm »
You take the control Joey. You set the rules. Your own rules. Make it a rule to have them call you not the other way around.

And then stick to your rules...

I think for your own sake you HAVE to take this advice joey.  Your right, you do seem to be having amazing bad luck with bookings lately and then you post on here and if you read your own posts back to yourself, you will be able to see how angry and aggressive some of them are.  There is no way that this or any other job should ever make you feel like that, especially every weekend. 

Lay down the rules and stick to them.  Real clients will understand why you have a procedure in place.  i sometimes apologise when i meet them (in a flirty kind of way) for all the cloak and dager stuff and explain why i have to do it and then they totally understand. 

You dont have your own website do you?  You just advertise on directories if i remember rightly.  Well maybe if you did set up your own website you would have more scope to be able to explain procedures and if its there in black and white so to speak they cant get confussed.  Its also a good way to advertise things like tours or any changes your making to your services.  Then when you get a call you can direct them to your site or maybe on the directories you would be able to have a link to it. 

And also, just accept that sometimes, no matter how much we do to prevent it there are going to be cocks out there who just want to waste our time in one way or another and yes its frustrating but its not the end of the world.  Those are the ones that are saved in our phones as 'cock' or 'twat' or whatever and who we dont answer to when the call.  ;D

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #5 on: 18 January 2009, 01:09:47 pm »
I created a website for myself using a free template from http://rare-escorts.com/

It's a pretty foolproof way of setting up a website for yourself, really easy to use with lots of different features like calendar, FAQs section, photo gallery and mailing list and would probably be ok as a temporary measure until you get a more professional one designed, or even as a permanent site for you.

I got a fair few bookings through it, and I should note that the enquiries I got through this were never timewasters - they all went to full bookings.

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #6 on: 18 January 2009, 02:46:30 pm »

I got a fair few bookings through it, and I should note that the enquiries I got through this were never timewasters - they all went to full bookings.

Dont get his hopes up, It doesnt matter how or where you advertise your still going to get timewasters.  I used the same site to create my website and i still get them.  There is nothing you can do about it sometimes.  And you dont always know where your bookings come from anyway, i often ask at the end of a booking where they found me but i dont bother on the phone.

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #7 on: 18 January 2009, 05:27:41 pm »
Pardon me for opening my mouth!  :o

I think I've made it clear that timewasters are part and parcel of escorting, indeed, I spent quite a bit of my own time today replying to the OP trying to articulate things I've picked up that might help Joey. If people are to give balanced replies to posts however, then it is fair to tell all sides of their experience relevent to the OP. Or would you rather I just stick to the negative advice? I don't think Joey would be so naive to think that what worked for one ex-escort will magically work exactly the same for him anyway (give him some credit).

It does seem that some people here focus less on giving support to fellow escorts and more on criticising others for things they have or haven't said in their replies.

Joey - if you have any Qs or just want to rant, feel free to PM me.

lexienight

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #8 on: 18 January 2009, 08:29:23 pm »
If i was critisising you would know about it.  i just cant be arsed with  :D ;) ;D :)  things when i type so it gets read wrong.  I'm also not arsed if its taken personally so that helps.  ;D

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #9 on: 18 January 2009, 09:21:42 pm »
Jo, Lex and Justme...Thanks. This has definently made me look at this a bit closer and ask myself, what am I doing? And Lexie I cant get the whole, "if I were a doctor and someone said they'll see me sometime Tuesday" out of my head. Thats so true. I mean who does that? Everytime you have an appointment with a company they will need a specific time. None of that, see you SOMETIME bullshit. I hate that word!

As far as getting a website, I can see myself doing that. But at the same time its not very popular here and most people just list their services on the directories. But like one of you said, atleast with a site I can have specific directions on how to make a booking and what I will or wont put up with. I just need to figure out who's going to design it for me  ???  I have the photos, now I just need the website...and actually, now that I think about it I have someone who WILL be able to design it...PERFECT.

I really appreciate y'all taking the time to give a better scope. I thought I was going to get one of those, "its your fault, you need to be more organized" speeches LOL, but in truth I try to be as organized as possible, but as you can see this time it was someone I had met before so I didnt bother to pin him to a time because I assumed he would just CALL me like everyone else does when they are ready to see me. But now that I know why it should be done, it makes perfect sense and from this day on I will tell them, "look, I cant take a booking without a specific time!". In fact, I did it last night...A guy said, "can I get back with you shortly". I said, fine but I need to have an idea of what time exactly. and the guy never responded back to me.

Besides, this was a good lesson learned with not much lossed. So what I lossed a couple hundred dollars but also this guy wanted me to do some digusting things which I normally never do unless I really need the money. He can find someone else to feed into his sick fantasies. I like my bookings clean.
« Last Edit: 18 January 2009, 09:24:01 pm by JoeyR »

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #10 on: 18 January 2009, 09:31:48 pm »
And Lexie I cant get the whole, "if I were a doctor and someone said they'll see me sometime Tuesday" out of my head. Thats so true.

See.  Every once in  a while i speak some sense!  lol


As far as getting a website, I can see myself doing that. But at the same time its not very popular here and most people just list their services on the directories. But like one of you said, atleast with a site I can have specific directions on how to make a booking and what I will or wont put up with. I just need to figure out who's going to design it for me  ???  I have the photos, now I just need the website...and actually, now that I think about it I have someone who WILL be able to design it...PERFECT.

You can do it yourself, you have seen all the posts on saafe about it so you know where to get the ideas you need and you could have the first draft knocked out in no time.  As for 'its not very popular here' fuck that!  Start a trend, get them all at it.  even if you cant link it from your directory sites at least when guys call and are indecisive etc you can give them the address and they can find what they want.  I bet regulars would like it too so they can see if your touring or taking time off etc.  there have got to be tons of advantages to it. Good luck with it.  And let us all see it once its done (cover your eyes though girls, his pics are porny lol)

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #11 on: 18 January 2009, 09:37:56 pm »
And let us all see it once its done (cover your eyes though girls, his pics are porny lol)

LOL...well I have a couple more shoots coming up. Im trying to figure out what kind of style I want to do. But the websites I advertise on dont give much room for uniqueness. They all advertise as "horny boys, fuck fuck fuck". So me dressing in a suit and coming off all "prestigous" just isnt going to sell in my opinion. They want sex, thats what its all about. I dont get expected to be taken on a dinner on the 1st booking, just wine and stuff at their place.

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Re: So really, who's supposed to be setting times, me or the client?
« Reply #12 on: 19 January 2009, 03:25:14 pm »
Well I think the two pics you have used here as avatar are pretty hot and tastful at the same time. Maybe more of that than full on frontal hard ons (and I haven't seen Joey's pics, but I can imagine). I know you are a man aiming at a male market so you probably can't get away from showing the inches they get for their money, but you could intersperse them with less graphic ones.

And Lexie is right be a trend setter, show them how it's done!

 :)

Oh, and I'd say a shot of you half to 2/3 out of a dinnersuit (body not cock that is) would be pretty hot and make it onto my wall anytime. Especially a white tux ... mhmm.  ;)
« Last Edit: 19 January 2009, 03:29:23 pm by cassie »
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