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do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« on: 25 October 2012, 08:05:50 pm »
I've been offering bdsm recieving for a while and I always thought I was ok as long as the guy had good feedback and we agreed a safe word beforehand,I always use my own handcuffs too so I can get out of them easily if theres a problem but recently I get more terrified everytime I do one of these bookings.I had this guy who met me in a dungeon and I was scared shitless when I saw some of the equipment that was there and although he didn't actually hurt me,he ignored the safeword-I used it quite a lot because I didn't know what half the equiptment was and I wanted to know before he used it on me but he wouldn't tell me and just used it anyway...I've heard some pretty horrenduos stories too.I dunno why I'm suddenly feeling like this though-I had a really hardcore bdsm guy when I first started who talked about killing me but I actually didn't feel that unsafe with him because he stopped immediately everytime I used the safe word and reassured me he would never actually hurt me...then the other day I had a guy who just wanted to do rope bodage on my breasts and that was it,my hands were free and everything but for some reason I was terrified!so do you think subbing is any more dangerous than other kinds of escorting-a non escort friend of mine seems to think those kind of guys are woman haters,do you agree or am I just getting paranoid?

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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #1 on: 25 October 2012, 08:19:24 pm »
If you've done any bottoming play outside this context, I hope you know from experience that not every male top is a woman hater. Some are, though, and not every one of them respects consent in the way that they should.

Despite that, it's possible to do pro-subbing in a safer way than you've been doing it. I am not particularly surprised you're feeling differently after Mr Dungeon ignored your withdrawal of consent...

It is even more important than usual that people who are doing stuff they cannot escape from have someone watching out for them, and that the client knows this. For some people, that involves having someone they do trust in the room and/or within hearing range. Obviously, this increases the cost to the client, but that's tough on them.

It is also particularly important that they don't get into situations where they do not know what's going to happen - in real life, this can be a turn-on, but this is pay for play with people you cannot fully trust. So lots of people would have walked before Mr Dungeon got going.

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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #2 on: 25 October 2012, 08:21:03 pm »
Offering any type of sexual service is dangerous if you don't organise your safety and security properly; a properly arranged sub booking and preferably with somebody else on the premises (certainly if you plan to let clients restrain you in any way) is a lot safer than swanning off to a total strangers home on an ordinary outcall without doing any security checks or having a buddy to call in and out with.

What you're not doing is either screening your clients properly or being assertive enough when they cross the boundaries; I don't know how many times we have to go on repeating that Adultwork feedback is largely meaningless when it comes to safety and is certainly no substitute for a proper security buddy who knows exactly where you are, what you're doing and (as above) can be present within earshot when necessary. If a punter ignores your limits, you terminate the appointment there and then, explain clearly why and don't see them again. If you're 'terrified' though it's simple - these jobs are obviously not for you, so stop doing them.

And for the record, I've offered these sorts of bookings on and off for years, and the only two punters I've ever met who I would genuinely describe as 'women haters' were standard GFE types, not the dom clients. Mr Dungeon wouldn't have lasted five minutes.



EDIT: Yeah, what Ian said ;D
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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #3 on: 25 October 2012, 08:24:23 pm »
I offer sub services but I don't offer BDSM, for my own personal reasons, but also for safety reasons.  Even with the sub bookings I offer I expect a full discussion of what the guy expects before the bookings, as well as safety words.  Safety words on their own are not enough.

I have never had any problems but I have always been clear that they have to absolutely respect my limits or there is no booking.  If they were to ignore a safe word once I would probably terminate a booking.

From the sound of it it seems not enough discussion about the booking is going on and clear boundaries are not being set.  You really need to make sure this happens, as well as safe words otherwise your safety is at risk, as you have found.

I would also add all the dom guys I have seen have been absolutely lovely gentle guys in their 'normal' life

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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #4 on: 25 October 2012, 08:57:24 pm »
Hi TT, I offer mainly pro sub services and I can say honestly say that I have only ever had 3 'bad bookings' in the 2 years that I have been escorting. These are the things I always do to try to stay safe (some of them might be obvious I am not trying to patronize you!)

1. I will only recieve any kind of bdsm from a client with feedback
2. Speak to them on the phone and talk about exactly what they want to do in the booking, make sure they know your boundaries.
3. You could also exchange a few emails re a session
4. Check the warnings and wasters section on here
5. I always make them book online on adultwork (I always think if someone has something to hide they will refuse also if something nasty did happen the IP address etc could be traced)
6. have your own toys and restraints that you are comfortable using. Also practice escaping from the restraints if you absolutely had too
7. Never let a client use rope on you (the only time I have had rope used on me is when it has been on film and there is more than one person in the room) the reason I say this is that even with a 'nice' client, if they tie the wrong knots or too tightly it can be dangerous.
8. Safe words - I always use a traffic light system that I explain to the client at the start, Green - I like it! More please! Amber - You are getting close to my limits. Red- Stop immediately. Any good dom with an ounce of respect for you will not be aiming to get you to say red, your safe word is supposed to be the last resort.
9. If you are gagged make sure you have a hand signal as your safe word
10. trust your instincts, if the guy gives you the creeps don't take the booking.

sorry I am going on....

I also always have a buddy/my partner in close proximity to the booking, I text to say I got there safe or the client arrived etc then send a text at the end saying that I am safe and the client has left etc (I use a code that the client could not possibly know)

Be assertive, you might be submissive but that doesn't mean you have to be a doormat.

I am sure otther ladies can add to this, these are just some of the things that I like to do for my own peace of  mind

sorry for the essay  ::)

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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #5 on: 26 October 2012, 07:44:39 am »
I think in your case it is dangerous and you need to do something before anything bad happens.

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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #6 on: 30 October 2012, 08:39:47 am »
@ op - i think you shouldn't do anything that makes you feel how you've described - while mind games are part of bdsm/D/s play and can be fun, you should never really be scared of your top/Dom or any partner whether they are paying or not.  It may be that being tied/restrained in any way has triggered something for you, which is always a possiblity with any bdsm activity that puts you in a vulnerable place. 

I have just started out with escorting and I do offer my services as a submissive.  I find that there aren't a lot of guys who are contacting me who are seriously into bdsm - but there are some and indeed my first client was a serious fetishist. 

I don't do outcalls where restraint is used if I am on my own with a client and always discuss limits/boundaries/level of experience/knowledge of safety issues and safe words.  The main potential issue is not the experienced player, who is well aware of all these issues and happy to negotiate, but the guy who has played online and has no idea how to go about dominating you in real life.  These are the guys who think that to remove a nipple clamp you can just pull!!!!  (doon't try this at home lol)

But there are definite risks involved and they have to beconsidered every time you meet someone, whether you have played with them before or not.  Even the most experienced Dom has an off day and can make mistakes when playing with their partner, so you have to be prepared to deal with it. 

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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #7 on: 30 October 2012, 10:52:44 am »
 There has been so much great advice offered already I don't know if I can add to it, as a woman who offers sub services I thought I'd try.

 In all of my years escorting and playing the sub I have never felt terrified. I have never had a client go to far with me.

I insist before we meet in that scenario that we have spoken in relative depth and both understand each other, that he is confident in domination and the limits and that he is fully aware that anything I deem to be unprofessional will result in the booking being terminated.
I may also make him aware that I am going to have my partner or my best friend close by for my safety until he becomes a trusted regular and even then I would not let my guard completely drop.
 If I went through all of my procedures and we met and I didn't like the vibe I got I would simply explain that the chemistry wasn't right and I'm afraid I would be unable to be completely submissive. That would be in the case of a very submissive booking. However initiallly I prefer a straight booking with mild dom/sub ie; spanking, leather/pvc etc wear and mild restraints. This helps me gauge the client and situation.

 I only offer submission because I genuinely enjoy it. My best friend is bi and she offers bi duo's and shows etc because she enjoys it. She's forever telling me to 'go gay for pay' and even though the money is attractive I just can't bring myself to engage in something that really doesn't do it for me. Now I'm not saying over weight bald sweaty men do it for me but I can tolerate that.

Can you tolerate if not enjoy playing the sub? Have you considered all the various sub roles you could take on that may make it easier for you to handle? As has been said assert your boundaries firmly too and ensure you have safety procedures in place, these should help you relax.

If you're still feeling on edge, perhaps try playing the dominant? Or opt out all together and offer straight sex? Xx
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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #8 on: 30 October 2012, 12:56:54 pm »

This thread is really interesting as I had a message from a guy on AW who wanted to take me to a dungeon and I was wondering what I'd need to safety wise - so thanks  :D.

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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #9 on: 30 October 2012, 06:52:17 pm »
That's very informative RoxyBlu and I was sure to take notes  ;D

Perks ally, I offer *all*services, as long as they're legal and as long as they don't involve sub. Much of it is due to the reasons the OP mentioned- and confirmed by my previous experience.  None of my friends do it either, again, for the aforementioned reasons... It's a shame, because I find it a real turn on, and perhaps if I was to follow the advice given, it may well be added to the repertoire of offerings... Great info on this thread, thanks!xx

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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #10 on: 30 October 2012, 10:52:31 pm »
I had a booking with a guy who initially said he wanted me to allow myself to be tickled throughout the booking, apparently in a 'gentle' and 'sensual' way, which I would be fine with and made no mention of tying me up or anything of the sort

the guy turned up with foot and hand cuffs intending to tie me up completely and tickle me, I was quite apprehensive and felt uneasy he'd brought cuffs without telling me, as the booking went forward he blagged me to allow him to cuff me and I let him tie just my hands loosely to the bed and allow myself to be tickled, it was fine at first and everytime I felt it was too much and told him to stop he stopped doing it- then one time he didnt stop tickling me when I asked him to and was laughing in a very freaky clown-like way and tbh I felt very scared and vulnerable at this point, I wasnt keen on being tied anyway and told him this and that I didnt want to continue the booking

he left and all was fine but it scared me and although its not 'sub' I really didnt feel comfortable being tied up at all and have never nor will ever offer sub services, I think like another girl said it triggered something for me and I remember at one point being terrified he might kill me! I know its stupid and that he likely wouldnt (he was quite a nice guy considering) have done but it is something that just doesnt sit right with me and I didnt feel comfortable with it, it might have been because he turned up with restraints when I didnt expect him to, but theres no way I'd do half the things I've heard girls talk about on here with regards to being tied up, whipped etc!

I dont know why I wrote this thought I'd just share as it was as close to a sub situation as I've been in and I didnt like it at all, glad your ok xxx
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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #11 on: 01 November 2012, 12:49:01 am »
I appreciate this post and the advice, I've just had my first experience offering sub service and it was fine. we agreed on everything via email and then verbally before the session, when I used the safe word, he stopped immediately. I definitely agree with using your own restraints, especially if you've not done it before. It's not for everyone and I've heard stories of people having panic attacks. I did realise potential risks during the booking, for example, the client was using a knife to cut packaging etc. I guess it's part of scaring the sub but I know that some people are into cutting, which I'm definitely not.

Anyway, agree on your limits beforehand, even though you're sub doesn't mean you have to do everything. For example, I said spanking/ whipping is ok but not hitting. I've also heard horror stories of women coming out of sessions black and blue.. It's a risk but for some it's part of the thrill too.. One thing I didn't like that I'd forgotten to mention to him was having a hand on my throat and being choked, not my thing..

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Re: do you think offering sub services is dangerous
« Reply #12 on: 26 November 2012, 12:15:47 am »
I'm a pro-sub and I agree with everything Roxy said. Here's my additions!

I have a maid in the house with me all the time when at work (a luxury not everyone can have I know - but she could come to my rescue if ever anything went wrong. This has never happened, so far touch wood)

Clients may only use my implements and equipment all of which I am comfortable with - safety cuffs, my canes etc.

I always use the pre-chat at the beginning, before role-play commences, to establish equality and boundaries between the client and I. I look them right in the eye, talk confidently and clearly about the money and the guidelines to the role-play. This way, they know that i'm a real person, not just a 'slave' or a 'schoolgirl' and they've only got to put ONE TOE over the line and I will snap out of role-play right back into Miss Hardarse. Haha!! (There's actually something quite dominant about being a sub in this respect!!) I rarely have to use safe words but I HAVE used them.
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