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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: rinaxeee on 27 January 2014, 04:17:47 pm
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I don't do 2nd pop unless it's more than 90 mins appointment. Though many clients expect it. This rule was something I set up when I started out. For me it felt only 1 time could be done during an hour. As I am more experienced now, I can see some people (including fellow escorts) don't think it's right to limit this because we are supposedly hired for the duration of time not for number of pops. Would this be public opinion here too?
I do stay full hour, doing massage, or just chit chat as some guys prefer that way. Not that clients complain about it, they pretty much all seem to be understanding of my set of rules. So I could still manage this way, and even lead them to book a longer session if they really want to enjoy more than once. Though if it feels unjust even to other girls, I think I should change that. I'd like to hear from other girls!
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If the guy is able to come more than once during the booking then yes. I have had plenty of bookings where a client has came within first 10-15 min of an hour booking and know they will be able to go again in 20 min. But if it took them over 30 min to come once then it would be a come once policy.
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Every guy varies and whilst one may only cum once in an hour others want three or four times. I have some who book 30minutes yet still get two or three pops. Most of the guys I see would be pretty put out if I wasted their time with a back rub instead of going for another round but again each prefers something different.
However I do feel it is up to the client how many times he cums in the time he has paid for otherwise if I start just chatting when he has 40minutes left I would feel as if I was robbing him as I am taking money for not doing anything and I doubt he would come back.
You have to work in a way that you feel happy with though and if your clients keep coming back time and again then they are happy with what you offer. If they don't keep coming back then you know they are not (some will not complain to you but will just not ring again).
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I dont mind how many times they cum to me its the same as if they popped once but the sex lasted the whole hour and to me personally it seems unfair to limit this BUT as Dani says its up to you how you do things and as long as your clients are aware of this before they book then I don't see the problem.
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Every guy varies and whilst one may only cum once in an hour others want three or four times. I have some who book 30minutes yet still get two or three pops. Most of the guys I see would be pretty put out if I wasted their time with a back rub instead of going for another round but again each prefers something different.
However I do feel it is up to the client how many times he cums in the time he has paid for otherwise if I start just chatting when he has 40minutes left I would feel as if I was robbing him as I am taking money for not doing anything and I doubt he would come back.
You have to work in a way that you feel happy with though and if your clients keep coming back time and again then they are happy with what you offer. If they don't keep coming back then you know they are not (some will not complain to you but will just not ring again).
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I am with Dani on this one especially in the bits I have highlighted. If a guy is disgruntled with services given, some WILL say at the time of booking but MANY will not and will just vow not to return.
Do you have many repeat clients?
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I don't limit how many time a guy pops for the same reasons already mentioned. Most of the time its 1 pop to every half hour. I are however being paid for my time so once in a hour is not uncommon for me, but a lot of my stuff is domination so theres no popping lol I would never limit it, only in 15min bookings where its once you pop, you f$*k off ;)
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I allow one in the hour unless its a long booking.
Most guys I see who indicate 2 pops are the ones who
can't do it. They set themselves up for failure.
They see too many pornos and haven't the skill and talent
of a porn professional to achieve it.
I don't desire be involved with some geezer straining and
sweating to achieve the impossible...totally not attractive.
A man 'must know his limitations', said Sir Clint Eastwood.
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Yes I tell clients before booking. Though because it's illegal to escort here, I can not specifically state this on my ad or website. Many of them ask me before booking, in this case they are informed and agreed. But occasionally they just assume and get disappointed. But I don't want to risk suggesting anything about intercourse happening on my ad. Believe me so many times I wish I can say that I don't do bareback, OWO, etc clearly on my website just to avoid repeating myself again and again. But if clients dig well and read my reviews, these things (no OWO and no 2nd pop) are written over there.
Though I really don't think they were too upset or disappointed with this because it's only once or twice out of 10 times they want to go more than once, so ratio of this happening is rare + I tell this up front. Even though I ask for 90 mins booking for 2nd pop, my rate is quite reasonable so they agree easily with proceeding longer booking. And some of these clients do come back. I have a regular who literally comes within a minute and books at least 2 hrs to overnight. (But then again this could be due to my reasonable pricing, I seem to get lots of overnight bookings. Ladies if you need money raised quickly, consider lower overnight rate down to realistic level. As there's sleeping involved, it's like 2 before going to bed 1 after, that's all.)
As I kind of knew, I can see that most of you think that it's rather not good to limit how many times clients come. I think I will make changes. It's just I been doing this way for quite a while now so I feel strange to change things. And I get sore down there pretty easily, so number of pops do matter to be honest.
I read general opinion to be as I expected, I will just give it a month to think over and decide.
Ladies thanks you for being helpful everytime I come here. I appreciate! xx
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They see too many pornos and haven't the skill and talent
of a porn professional to achieve it.
I don't believe porn "professionals" need a talent or skill as they can have as many "takes" as they need ::)
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They see too many pornos and haven't the skill and talent
of a porn professional to achieve it.
I don't believe porn "professionals" need a talent or skill as they can have as many "takes" as they need ::)
You can believe whatever you like me old chum. :D
Have to beg to differ there....I don't intend to take this off topic. ;D
Porn performers are generally sexual athletes.
Like any other performer they have to deliver convincing
scenes within time and production and budget deadlines.
The resources to create and participate in a porn production are not infinite.
As the ancient Romans said.....damnant quodnon intelligunt
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My minimum booking is 45 minutes and I don't have a limit on climaxes BUT I also won't have the piss taken. Someone contacted me a few weeks ago wanted to know if I could force them to cum, and cum many times over, starting again as soon as he'd cum, continuously for the duration of a 2 hour appointment. I am not sure I could commit to such a feat and unless he's an extremely quick cummer it sounds (a) painful for both participants (b) very tedious. Without having met the person at least once I'd never commit to something that could be so variable.
As it was I was genuinely already booked for the time he wanted, so couldn't accept the booking.
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You can believe whatever you like me old chum. :D
Have to beg to differ there....I don't intend to take this off topic. ;D
Porn performers are generally sexual athletes.
Like any other performer they have to deliver convincing
scenes within time and production and budget deadlines.
The resources to create and participate in a porn production are not infinite.
As the ancient Romans said.....damnant quodnon intelligunt
Pack it in. I don't care how clever you think you are, you can ditch both the off topic posting and the snarkiness and now, please.
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I find that few men actually cum more than once but it's not because I'm telling them they can't.
I will ask at the start of an hour "So... how do you want to pace things? Are you hoping to cum twice?" Because some guys will pop quick and then rest and then go again. Many men say that they will only cum once in the hour and so I try to keep that from happening until AFTER the 30-minute mark.
But there's no limit. There is my own personal limit on how much actual friction my pussy can take or how long I can suck a cock, but it's nothing to do with their orgasms.
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I don't mind if they want to go more than once, if it's an hour booking I ask if that's what they'd prefer so I know how to pace it. I'm happy to do it, personally would feel a bit unfair on some clients if I limited it to once. I think as I sell my time it's up to the clients how they want to spend it (within reason).
Anyway, I find bookings can drag if you're trying to 'fill in' time with lots of smooching and foreplay.
Some of the easiest appointments I have are the ones who want to go twice in half hour and therefore more or less get stuck straight in as soon as they arrive, these are rare but minimal effort :)
Someone contacted me a few weeks ago wanted to know if I could force them to cum, and cum many times over, starting again as soon as he'd cum, continuously for the duration of a 2 hour appointment.
I couldn't do that either, it's a tad overboard...
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For me if its 15 mins its once only,30 mins 2 max and to be honest I find alot of guys only pop once in 30 mins,the ones that ask about coming more in 30 mins are mostly wishful thinkers.However in longer bookings I feel they should be able to come as many times as they like.
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It's each to their own really. If the entire booking is just sex then D: But if it's only even a 30 minute booking it simply means they're very quick which means not too much effort anyways. I do leave it open to more goes because what if the dude is super boring, sex would be more entertaining than an awkward silence IMO.
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I don't do 2nd pop unless it's more than 90 mins appointment. Though many clients expect it. This rule was something I set up when I started out. For me it felt only 1 time could be done during an hour. As I am more experienced now, I can see some people (including fellow escorts) don't think it's right to limit this because we are supposedly hired for the duration of time not for number of pops. Would this be public opinion here too?
I do stay full hour, doing massage, or just chit chat as some guys prefer that way. Not that clients complain about it, they pretty much all seem to be understanding of my set of rules. So I could still manage this way, and even lead them to book a longer session if they really want to enjoy more than once. Though if it feels unjust even to other girls, I think I should change that. I'd like to hear from other girls!
Each to their own but NOT allowing a second pop in 90 minutes or less, I imagine would ruffle a lot of feathers for a lot of clients (and rightly so) but its up to you how you run your business.
Not sure I understand that logic though? As if someone books and hour with you then obviously they can cum in that time, if someone books 90 mins with you then surely that would give him a whole other half hour he's paid for to cum again? Or is your minimum booking time 90 mins?
I offer a relaxed GFE and have never actually had anyone ask if they can go more than once in a half hour, usually I use up the whole half hour and even run over with just one pop but if someone had real premature ejaculation problems then I would be ok with them having 2 pops in the half hour HOWEVER I really don't like half hour appointments, I much prefer hour appointments or longer cause like I say I do like to take my time with my clients and I don't mind running over time with a client who's been decent enough to book and pay me for the hour whereas I grudge a client booking a half hour but overstaying into an hour (makes me feel a bit ripped off)
An hours appointment they can defo cum twice if they can manage in that time, I wouldn't restrict them..
Thing is they pay us for our time, not services so I am not sure that restricting someone like that is a very decent thing to do.
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I allow one in the hour unless its a long booking.
Most guys I see who indicate 2 pops are the ones who
can't do it. They set themselves up for failure.
They see too many pornos and haven't the skill and talent
of a porn professional to achieve it.
I don't desire be involved with some geezer straining and
sweating to achieve the impossible...totally not attractive.
A man 'must know his limitations', said Sir Clint Eastwood.
I find that the guys who ask if they can come twice in the hour aren't really setting themselves up for failure, they are just clarifying that they have the option INCASE they are up to it again.
I find that they are usually quite happy with one pop but knowing they have that option makes all the difference in their mind, if they cant cum again then they know its their body that's not up to it and not actually me restricting it so therfor they are more than likely to come back.
Every client is different, I find that most of my clients are happy with one pop in the hour since they know I offer a relaxed GFE but then there are the others who like twice in an hour and that's up to them, either way they are paying for my time and if they are a nice, respectful client then obviously I would want them to return.
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Each to their own but NOT allowing a second pop in 90 minutes or less,
I mean I allow 2nd pop from 90 mins booking and don't allow it upto 1hr booking. So I do 2+ shots for 90 mins bookings or longer. And as for 1 hr booking, most of cases it ends with 1 shot, so I didn't really have problem. I am just willing to re-adjust my rules as I found out a lot of ladies will offer multiple shots for an hour booking, and I can understand the logic for it.
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Ah I see, well how you run your business is your choice. Even although some of us might not agree with it doesn't mean you should change. You have to do whatever works for you but I do think your return clientele would be seriously affected if you have this rule. You may not even realise how many clients don't return to you just because of this rule.
You could be the prettiest girl on AW but the clients will bin you in a heart beat if they feel they are being ripped off.
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A quickie is a one pop shot. If the guy is the sort who jazzes on his hand the second his pants are off though then I would let him cum again so long as it was still within the 15 mins
30 mins upwards then he can cum as many times as he is able so long as he has time to do it within the time he has payed for. I find most guys just cum the once anyway regardless of wether they have booked 30 minutes or 3 hours tbh.
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I think it's considered normal to allow two pops on an hour. It's not necessarily considered the norm on half an hour but there's definitely the belief that at at least on one hour it's expected.
As others have said: far fewer actually manage to do this than want to.
I assume they want the option on one hour but not on 30 minutes. It's not unusual for a client to leave perfectly happy after 20-25 minutes. But if they ask I will certainly let them try again.
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It's each to their own really. If the entire booking is just sex then D: But if it's only even a 30 minute booking it simply means they're very quick which means not too much effort anyways. I do leave it open to more goes because what if the dude is super boring, sex would be more entertaining than an awkward silence IMO.
How very true - lol
Like many have said, most have difficulty making it twice even in one hour, except some of the younger ones. Their eyes are bigger than their stomach in most cases. They often ask for it but I don't take much notice of what they say. I take my cues from what their cock does, it usually tells the truth. I'm a cock watcher, not a clock watcher - lol. If it spontaneously begins to rise again a little while after they've cum they might be up for it, but forcing it can be very hard work. I learned early on that if the cock looks interested then it's time to get on with the sex.
I think if a client wants a second coming that much it's better they go away and do something else, then come back a few hours later. I have several that do that, although they do often change their minds later and cancel. Doesn't matter as long as they let you know in good time. I hate them just not turn up, and don't give them a second chance on that.
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If it works for you there is no need to change it.
I hardly ever have sex with clients, normally I always get them off through oral. I think maybe I have sex with 5% of my clients, If you are thinking about including more pops in the time limit then one could be through oral or hand relief and the other by sex. Only do what you are comfortable with x
Princess Emily, what you said caught my eye though its not really about the "how many times they pop" - I was more interested in how you do most of your clients without the full works. I have started out as giving FBSM which was really my way of saying I didn't offer full service (my massage skills are mediocre but I included HE in price given) I didn't specify whether I was offering hand/oral with/without etc. I just thought I'd go with the flow once I was with the client and set a price which I was happy to include most with as long as it wasn't full service. I thought offering FBSM was the main way of setting myself up as an WG who is happy to oblige but without full service, obviously I made an effort with the massage part, warm oils etc. but didn't spend too long before getting to the fun part. Then I figure I have the choice of whether I want to offer full service. But reading your post I wonder if there are other ways to go about it..... I think there is a market for it as quite a few guys don't want to do any work and are happy without fs Of course not charging as much as girls offering Fs. Any tips thank you.
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Yeah I too find alot of guys seem to like bjs and hjs more than actual intercourse. I also find that a fair few if they do have full sex tend to have a second pop much easier with hj or bj.
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I always allow my clients to 'cum' as many times as they wish within the hour or more. Half an hours generally are not more than once really, however I wouldnt say no that's it or anything like that. I think it's very common practice really these days, and I want them to leave feeling fully satifised and wanting to 'cum' back and see me again!
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I am starting to wonder why so many escorts seem to want to do as less work as possible in the time the client has booked? We get paid a lot of money for our time so I don't think we should be giving advice on how to try and avoid as much physical contact with the client as possible.
The good money we earn isn't just for the sexual side of things, its the crap we have to put up with on a daily basis aswell as living a double life and lying to everyone we love and care about so I do believe we deserve every penny we get otherwise nobody would do the job if the money was shit but the biggest part is keeping our clients happy so they will return.
If a client comes in and he's horrible to me, rude to me, rough or aggressive then obviously its understandable that I want rid of him as soon as possible and nor would I want to get up close and intimate with someone who's treated me badly (think that's human nature) but for all the rest of them who come in friendly and respectful then I want to do everything I can to please them if its within the services I offer.
As I have said before though, each to their own x
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Hi,
Just to clarify what my choice is about. I just always knew that I could only do this if I gave myself the choice about what services I offer to each individual client. Advertising FBSM gives me and the client a face saving and dignified "out" if I, or indeed he, doesn't feel like more than a saucy (and happily ended) massage is called for. If more services are in order, desired and happily given/sold, then all is well, but where there is no automatic expectation for a full service, there is an element of choice which for me was really important even if it meant a lot less dough. Not the way to go for most girls I know, but it seems right for me just now, not easy, but kind of right.
I love this site.x
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Hi. Firstly I took down 2nd pop limitation rule, and asked the review site if they can amend that part on their page too. (To be clear, I didn't ask them to alter anything clients wrote, but some site have my information page which they write, not by me, with what has been said from client)
I am starting to wonder why so many escorts seem to want to do as less work as possible in the time the client has booked?
I take it somewhat offensive PP, don't jump into your own conclusion that I am making as little effort as possible for this work. From what you say, I think it's safe to assume that you include me into "so many escorts" you talk about.
There is no way you can tell whether I am working hard or whether my clients are happy with my service. Well that decision is solely upto clients, so I am not in the position to have a say, but you know what, I feel I can confidently say my clients are very happy with how I treat them.
And this is unnecessary part so you can all skip unless you're interested hear what I have to say. In my defense, which I realized after thinking back a little, my rule comes from cultural background. I know it wouldn't be fair for you (mostly UK or EU based girls) to understand this or know about this already. Though in Japan, escorting is considered as buying "sex" not buying "time". We all know what they are really looking escorts for, it's "sex". So when the "sex" is purchased (or hand job, whatever that ends with "popping"), deal is over. That's how we think about this matter. The booking time is only the time limitation for that sex to happen. I've worked in many agencies and many working scenes in Asia and this is how both parties, clients and WGs, just agree on without having to talk over about it.
Also, if booking time is obviously long, like 2hrs or more, we understand that's probably to have more sex so we do offer more sex. Which is same thing I used to do, book 90 mins and have another round!
As I come from that working scene, it took this much time for me to realize how the attitude about this matter is different on escorting scene, which is more of western thing. I am making change to that, because now I realized the difference and can agree with the reasoning behind it. First time I encountered with the situation, an American client who seem to be surprised by not having option of 2nd round, I was as surprised as he was. I thought that was just odd mind of him and forget about it and went on, and encountered few more and then thought maybe people think differently in other countries. And came here to confirm my suspicion. So that's my reasoning behind my ex-rule.
Also, back to PP's question. Some girls might not work as hard as other girls do. We are all different. Some girls like to give GFE, more intimate, with lots of kiss and conversation, foreplay etc. Some girls would literally do "wham bam" and we all know some guys prefer that simple sex. We all charge differently. Some girls can go rather cheaper just because she is not greedy and happy with her rates, but some girls might do that to get away with mediocre service. Hoping for clients won't complain too much about lack of extensive service. And we give different booking time option. Some girls offer quickies and some girls starts from 2hr bookings. If the girl works indeed in very crappy manner, naturally she won't get much work and will have problem. She will have her own grief without having to have you give her comment about it.
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I agree that we're all different and have to do what works for us BUT no need to be so defensive as I wasn't actually talking to you at all, it was a generalisation. If you have a good return clientele then your obviously doing something right.
I am one of those ones who works in a more relaxed way with kisses, cuddles and more intimacy aswell as conversation so usually my clients cum just the once anyway in an hour but I'd never restrict them to one cum as a rule. I have lots of men cum through oral so I am hardly going to tell them that's their wack unless of course that's what they want.
I'll say it again, I was not talking to you directly or anyone actually on the thread, just a generalisation.
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I class myself as a GFE. The Girlfriend without the hassle, and regardless of the time spent with the gent (30mins or 3 hours) they can 'pop' as many time as they like and I personally would find limiting this very clinical and impersonal.
But as the same as Pink Princess above, Thats just my opinion and not judging anyone x
Love Sx
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I want them to get emptied as many times as their poor ravaged willy can, however long they have booked! I'm like a derranged nymphomaniac on heat sometimes ;D
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I want them to get emptied as many times as their poor ravaged willy can, however long they have booked! I'm like a derranged nymphomaniac on heat sometimes ;D
And that's why your so successful ;D xx
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I had one yesterday. Checked the time at the start in the bedroom and said 1,39 we finish at 2.39. That annoyed me but just made a mental note not to see again. Especially as he had come through the door at 1.33 for a 1.30 if we are being pedantic, lol.
Had "popped" 4 times by 2.30 and checked his watch and said time for one more!!!
The only bit I was annoyed about was that he clock watched and that was not relaxing, or encouraging "flow".
I have had one that popped twice in 5 mins and managed 9 in an hour, very messy.
Only on a quicky I would say one go.
I believe that IMO limiting a service that they have paid for is bad business.
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I would absolutely hate a booking like that, not because of the amount of cums although, I wouldn't find it very sexy having someone hop on, hop off, hop on, hop off, hop on, hop off, hop on, hop off like I was some sort of rabbit but I would be utterly turned off at the attitude. I am quite aware that someone has booked and paid me for the hour so therefor they would get their full hour and if they are really nice and respectful and I haven't any other bookings then they are much more likely to get extra free time with me so him watching the clock like that would make me extremely uncomfortable same as a client would feel uncomfortable if I was watching the clock like that.
I don't restrict people to how many times they can cum, think the most I have had is 3 times in an hour and that's only happened once and because trying to get a conversation out of him was like trying to draw blood from a stone so usually its twice in the hour with me which I am more than happy to offer but all those times in such a short space of time would put me off ever meeting him again.
If someone like that came in and jumped me 5 times in the hour, I wouldn't say no since he's paying for my time but I just wouldn't see him again cause I offer a relaxed GFE and theres nothing relaxed about that but its his clockwatching and bad attitude that would put me off than him cumming 5 times.
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