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mollymoppet

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Do I OR DONT I???? ARGHHHHH I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO LOL
« on: 14 September 2008, 12:12:06 am »
Do I offer in calls??
My business is not so much a business as a very occasional hobby!, Now I may be being really stupid but I expected (hoped desperately) for more than an out call that made me ?120.00 but ended up taking me 4 hours as I got lost etc and a 'quicky' for ?40.00 in 4 days. True I am getting more emails now, but not many! I have been promised positive feed back from the two blokes I saw, but hey, we shall see...

Anyway, back to my point, I dont really have the luxury of time, so I decided to offer in-calls and see if I got more interest, it's worked, my emails have doubled, but still no def bookings, apart from the quicky.
I was positive I would NEVER have anyone to my home, but I've already broken that rule and had a guy here earlier.

I have a neighbour from hell across the road who would just love to make my life a living misery, and all she seems to do is sit outside her home and watch me, god knows why, i'm really not that interesting!!! I do have a back entrance (no pun intended lol) but then my next door neighbour could see them, and she knows I'd never go near a white bloke from personal choice! I cant afford 6' fencing at the moment.

I've read other peoples posts and seen all the risks associated with having strange men to my home, so WHY am I even considering doing it??? Oh yeah, because its almost christmas and my baby deserves nice things, and It would be good to pay the phone bill, and have heating this winter I guess.

The area I'm in, I believe I will make the most money from giving taxi drivers a quicky in thier lunch break!
But hell I'm not proud and moneys money, the only problem is I cant afford to rent somewhere to 'service' them, I feel like I'm in a complete catch 22 situation, damned if i do, damned if I dont.

I really dont know which way to turn, Please someone, give me the benefit of your advice....

OH and of course theres the fact that its completely against my tenancy....(BUGGER!)

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« Reply #1 on: 14 September 2008, 11:05:18 am »
I feel for you. You've set your boundaries and you find you've had to cross them because your child needs to be fed and bills need to be paid. And to top it off you've got the neighbour from hell across the way.

As a compromise, have you ever thought about booking a cheap Travelinn or Premier Inn for a couple of days? Do you have any local to you? The good thing about these rooms is that they're basic and cheap, but do the job. And you can leave it to the last minute to cancel if you don't get any takers, thereby not losing any money.

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« Reply #2 on: 14 September 2008, 11:45:39 am »
Hi,
I offer incalls. It's not so bad. The perk is your in your home and once the guy leaves you can bath and tidy and straighten things out and all the time in your dressing gown! You don't even have to fix your hair up in a hurry so you can leave and look tidy while going home! Ha. yeah, I have issues with my hair as you can tell....
I did question it at the start, it's my home, it's my bedroom, I sleep in there and read books in there and such. It does not really have any mental impact on me at all though. It's business. I look at it like that. The one guy (I know, one, how pathetic) I have had here, he was great, it didn't feel at all wrong or strange after. You change your bed, you squirt some perfume about to cover the lingering smell of his aftershave, you get back in and you sleep. It was not an issue. The only thing is having to tidy up before hand as I have 3 kids back and fore here, they can be messy! It all got shoved into the study room and the door closed on it to hide it all!

Directly next door to me is a woman that takes pleasure in upsetting me and my family greatly, over anything and everything.
With her in mind I decided that the odd incall during the day is okay, nobody can guess what I am doing here, they simply can not. The guy could be a computer engineer or here to give a quote on some decorating or even simply a friend Molly, we know what we are doing so maybe it's because we know we think of it. I don't think my neighbours would believe I am about to get naked and do a jig around my bedroom with the guy that just knocked on my door!
Every man that comes to see you does not have to be your boyfriend you know so white or black, what does it matter and if you are questioned make something up. Your having huge problems with a computer virus, the guy is charging you a stupid amount of cash to fix it and it's still not done! You know, anything really from he is an old mate from school to your thinking of having work done and he was there for a quote. Why, did he park in your spot. I'm sorry about that? Normally when a person is asked why they want to know, they back off anyhow. I would.

Also as winter is coming, it's now dark by 8pm and nobody is about really so it's easier to have an incall during the evening time under cover of the moon! When I get the call to say he is an hour out or whatever, I make a point of asking him to park directly outside my house, I leave space for him by moving my car along a bit and if I can't then leaving it on another street.  I have made a point of asking that they do not park outside the house next door as the lady there believes she owns that part of the road and will knock on all doors to find out who the car belongs to and get it moved along.
I think there is a balance you can achieve between incall and outcall. Once you have accepted it mentally you can separate home space from business space in your mind.

I wouldn't sneak them around the back though. That's by nature, well, sneaky. It looks as if something is going on. Get them in the front door and always have a reason for it in mind should you be questioned, the more normal you act, the less likely you'll raise any eyebrows I guess.
Your doing far better than I am Molly, you have seen more guys than I have. Good luck.
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« Reply #3 on: 14 September 2008, 05:12:58 pm »
Hey Molly

It is difficult as you are clearly torn.

OK - my situation - I have been offering incalls from home for about a year now - sure I had issues with it as it is as though the two worlds that are not supposed to ever meet, do, but to be honest like Joanna says, after the guy has gone, I clean up, etc etc and it is forgotten.

I know there are many on here who say this is dangerous, etc etc but then look at it this way - if you were in a flat somewhere alone - is the danger not the same? 

Or the question is that they then know where we live - and I guess I cannot answer that one truthfully but suffice to say I was more worried about someone reporting me to the tax man so from that point of view I dont worry any more as am totally legit.

I guess for me I am comfortable now that I have regulars and they come here whereas if I have a booking that I may not be entirely happy thinking this guy is coming to my home then I do book local hotels and I use the www.priceline.co.uk site and then go on name your own price section - probably pay more than as Brandy has said (travel lodge/premier inn) but my rates are such that even after deducting the cost of the room, then I am still happy with what I come away with and clearly try to do more than one booking.

Another option I have is that I made contact with some other escorts on adultwork who operate in my area and I sometimes use their places and pay them an hourly rate as and when I need to use for the odd booking - that works more on an as and when basis as clearly the other girls are working there so I have to fit in around them - not ideal but does help and also they will let me know if and when they are away or on holiday so that is great.

You can also have a look on adultwork and see in other services section if anyone is looking to rent their places on this basis but it is extremely rare and these cases I really stumbled over and would consider those girls more friends so hence they let me use their places.  It was not something I would have come across working from day one.

You will without a doubt notice an increase in business if you provide incalls as this is (in my case for sure) the majority of the bookings.

It is a difficult one as I know I like to separate the two worlds but right now money is an issue so I just get on with it and dont think about it ! 

Also, when I get phonecalls I do always ask the guy if he wants incall or outcall and sometimes they have not even considered me going to them - of course that raises other issues too, but thankfully to date all my incalls and outcalls have been great. 

In terms of your tenancy agreement, don;t think about it I guess!

Again, if you were having ten to twelve guys rolling up a day then that would clearly cause gossip, but in my case I might have max 2 a day sometimes 3 (not that often) and like last week no one in Thursday and Friday and clearly not weekends (single parent) nor school holidays!!!

I hope some of this helps.
Love
Alexandra xx

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Re: Do I OR DONT I???? ARGHHHHH I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO LOL
« Reply #4 on: 15 September 2008, 02:09:18 pm »
Hi thanks for your replies, they do help,

I decided to go with the In-calls and yep my business greatly increased, had to turn blokes away today!!! However I think I've just had my first time waster and am a bit worried as to why he'd pretend to be on my street just to get my house number!!! and then not turn up, I'm hoping he's just a tosser and not a psycho!!!

I have decided I have to stop being nice, I NEED to get into my work personna more. The problem is I chat too bloody much!!! I saw someone earlier and managed to give away my real name! and then my sons name by not removing his name from the door.

I have made rules to stay safe and I will just have to STICK to them, they are there for my safety after all!!!!

In future, NO-ONE gets my house number until I see them park where I tell them to

Mollxxxxx

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« Reply #5 on: 15 September 2008, 02:35:25 pm »
Yes...
Whoops, I'm sorry love, I was cleaning today and your name fell off your bedroom door. I really am sorry because it broke and I feel terrible. I'll replace it I promise, in the meantime, why don't you go and draw yourself a real fancy one and stick it up with blutak?
That's what my daughter got told.
Now I only have to remove the fancy one she drew with the fairies all over it and pop it back up again when all is over here.

And remember to remove your jewellery from the bathroom as well if you have left it in there. And wash your toothbrush - my client was a dentist! Blimey! I changed the head on that toothbrush faster than I could smile and say I flossed every day!
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« Reply #6 on: 15 September 2008, 04:06:21 pm »
Hi thanks for your replies, they do help,

I decided to go with the In-calls and yep my business greatly increased, had to turn blokes away today!!! However I think I've just had my first time waster and am a bit worried as to why he'd pretend to be on my street just to get my house number!!! and then not turn up, I'm hoping he's just a tosser and not a psycho!!!

I have decided I have to stop being nice, I NEED to get into my work personna more. The problem is I chat too bloody much!!! I saw someone earlier and managed to give away my real name! and then my sons name by not removing his name from the door.

I have made rules to stay safe and I will just have to STICK to them, they are there for my safety after all!!!!

In future, NO-ONE gets my house number until I see them park where I tell them to

Mollxxxxx

That's one of the pitfalls of working from home. You get all sorts of people you're not sure about coming to you or pretending to be. It's a weird phenomenon, men collecting addresses. They say they're near you and ask for your door number, then don't turn up. Don't give anybody your door number until they can describe the road/area they're in; a pub on the corner, a pink house, something that stands out. Then you know they're nearby. If they can't then you don't.

I wouldn't work from home. I personally wouldn't want my clients interacting with any part of family, especially if I haven't seen them before. I pay to rent a room in Central London. If an opportunity like that opens up for you, it might be something you should consider.
I've heard tales of blokes turning up at all hours of the night, banging on the door and screaming escort's working names up at the window, pissed as a fart, asking if they're working tonight. Some blokes don't even have to be pissed, just plain ignorant. I know an escort who'd retired a year or so previously, and twice two different ex-clients just turned up, knocking at her door, asking her if she was still working. She no longer had her website, nothing to indicate that she was still working. She'd thrown her phone away when she gave up. So obviously these guys the next best thing to was to just turn up at her door-step unannounced and uninvited. She was livid to say the least. I happen to be there when it happened the 2nd time and she was shaking like a leaf. It's a good thing her husband knew what she did but if any other member of her family was there she wouldn't have known what to do.

If you're going to take incalls, lay ground rules, not only for your clients, but yourself. Keep your doors shut, get padlocks if you have to. Keep anything out of eyesight or reach that might have your name and address; letters, bills, etc. Tell customers firmly but gently when they come where and what's off limits. It also helps separate your real persona from your working life. If your computer's in your bedroom, shut it down or put it in hibernate. Another escort told me that's how a client found out her real name. He snooped around in her living room and went on to her computer uninvited.
The problem is, because you've allowed them into your home, some get the idea that they can "make themselves at home".

Apologies if it all sounds a little bit scary, but you'll find as time goes on that you really need to be on your guard with your clients. Especially the curious ones.


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« Reply #7 on: 16 September 2008, 02:01:55 pm »
Just to add about "being nice" to clients.

I have to confess that I find it harder with the older ones, in fact I have recently acquired a regular (age 76) and stupidly told him about my child.  He books me for a long timesessions and we end up chatting etc....   

I regret it now as he often asks about her and I wish I had not told him I have a child.  In fact I think I will just lie in future!

He is the sort of chap who wants to chat and as he has said in his own words he "likes to get to know someone".  I genuinely dont think he is being devious as he talks in detail about his life and his family to me - as you can imagine at that age there is a lot to tell and he is genuinely charming.

I think though in myself I feel I have let my guard down and regret it as now the two worlds that I dont want to meet are in fact meeting and I hate it when he asks about my child.

It is a lesson for the future and I know I need to toughen up - I am also too nice for my own good and when in the company of a nice old gentleman then my mouth can run away with me.

I have decided to say for the future that I dont wish to discuss anything about my personal life and dont want to divulge anything at all as it is not necessary at all.

In fact, he is also the one I gave a false name to so he now calls me Jennifer (not my real name LOL!!).

I think he did get the message though as he asked if I come from a large family and I told him I have no contact with my family and dont wish to discuss but again why should I even answer it.

It is something that I need to learn to handle better as my failing is that I can be a bit of an open book at times and I need to work on that. 

I genuinely dont think that some clients are devious, but I do think they are curious and feel that if they know stuff about us then they have more or less scored on some other level and its like they have this attitude like "ha - now I know this or that about her" - it gives them the upper hand.

I do, of course, understand that there are some nutters too which could sound very plausible over the phone but amount to nothing more than timewasting.

With regards to working from home - yes there is a lot to remember - you have to check everything before and after.  Photos, names, school information, private information, bills, letters etc - all should be removed. 

That is stressful in itself and then having to put it all back in place later, but I understand the need to do this as opposed to having to fork out more money to rent somewhere or get a hotel room.  I can relate to that totally.

Time will tell I guess for you as to how it all pans out.   Just make sure you cover your tracks and try to limit the chat ( as if I can talk!!!!  )... 

In any case, I wish you well and you seem to have your head screwed on - good thing about not giving the number till they have parked etc and always be sure they are in the street before you give out the number etc.

love
Alexandra x

 

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« Reply #8 on: 16 September 2008, 02:17:17 pm »
I chat away with my clients, I feel no need to have separate personas for work and home, and I think it's only fair to assume that they're not thinking about it that much, just talking like they would to anyone else.

If you want to keep things separate, I wonder if inventing a new background would be easier than saying you don't want to talk about it. You could base it on a (down to earth) character from a book or tv to make it easier.

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« Reply #9 on: 16 September 2008, 04:15:11 pm »
I chat away with my clients, I feel no need to have separate personas for work and home, and I think it's only fair to assume that they're not thinking about it that much, just talking like they would to anyone else.


Gotta disagree with you there, Ani Mae. Whilst by and large you're right, there are some guys out there who make it their business to get to know you as much as possible. It may be possible that you just haven't encountered them yet.
There are some customers who ask for your real name, and won't stop until you divulge it. For some reason they don't want to call you by your working name. You gotta ask yourself why it's so important to them to know. Do they want to be seen by you as different to other customers? What?
There are some that attach themselves to you, for various reasons. Maybe they like the idea of having an escort as an acquaintance, it adds a different dimension to them maybe. There are those that like the idea that the more you get to know them, the more dependent on them you become. Whilst most of that hasn't happened to me (only the persistent asking of my real name) personally, I have known it to happen to other ladies.

I see what Alexandra's saying. If you have kids and you want to keep them separate, you do need to set your own boundaries on what you feel comfortable talking about. And it's hard I know, trying to make the small talk without giving anything away that you don't want to. To most gents it is only just small talk, but you do have that minute percentage who want to know about you than is necessary.

Just do what I do. I'm a bit of a news junkie and I like to keep up on current affairs, domestic and foreign. If you're going to have a long booking, or a booking where the client likes to chat, have a read of the papers or watch the news before your booking. Listen to the car radio on the way to an outcall or to your work flat. Engage them in chat and ask their opinion on a subject that's caught your eye in the papers. One thing gents like are well-rounded women who can hold a conversation. Either on a dinner date or inbetween sex.

Reading this back, I really don't want to put the frighteners up anybody, and make anybody worried. Apologies if I have. Most of my customers over the years have been really lovely, believe me. You just get the odd one or two that you feel you have to be wary of. Just follow your woman's intuition. You can't go far wrong.

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« Reply #10 on: 16 September 2008, 04:30:31 pm »
I agree with you, I didn't mean to say that there aren't guys like that out there. It's just that if you're concerned about clients getting details of your personal life you're likely to feel uncomfortable with any questions relating to it and wonder what they're trying to get from you. I wanted to make the point that in most cases they're not doing anything inappropriate, they just don't realise that your boundaries are different from those of most people they meet.

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« Reply #11 on: 16 September 2008, 05:41:27 pm »
I agree with you, I didn't mean to say that there aren't guys like that out there. It's just that if you're concerned about clients getting details of your personal life you're likely to feel uncomfortable with any questions relating to it and wonder what they're trying to get from you. I wanted to make the point that in most cases they're not doing anything inappropriate, they just don't realise that your boundaries are different from those of most people they meet.

Ah, I getcha! :)
We're basically on the same wavelength. I guess it's just a question of how sensitive you are to answering questions that you consider to be personal. That's the problem in this job. You have to figure when someone is overly curious or is just making small talk.
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« Reply #12 on: 17 September 2008, 12:20:07 am »
Brandy and Anika Mae - interesting comments.

You see with me I just feel that my child is so not a part of this world I work in - this is Alexandra escort and I am not her mum here so it feels so so uncomfortable to make reference to her to clients.

I know, for sure, that the old gentleman is not asking for any weird reason.  I genuinely think he just wants to get to know me and I feel that with a lot of my clients but like Brandy says, there are some who seem intent of trying to find out my real name.  I dont think it is for any suspicious reason, I think it is just curiosity and perhaps this feeling that I have let my guard down so they have the upper hand, who knows?

I can easily talk about anything and dont have trouble conversing - my problem though is that when in the company of a nice old chap I let my guard down and hence divulged to him that I have a daughter.  He now enquires after her well being in a sweet way but then in the next sentence he might make some reference to my being an escort or what he would like us to do in the next booking  so it just dont feel right.

He is not part of my world where I am her mum - so I have decided that in future I will keep my mouth shut. 

It's not the fear that he will use the information against me - it is just a personal feeling that for me work and in particular my child are very very separate.  I hope that makes sense. 

I am not saying in any way that I wont talk about myself to clients but talking about my child is just something that does not feel right so I will know in future. 

Alexandra xx

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« Reply #13 on: 17 September 2008, 10:06:22 am »
It's it tough if your working from home, even if it's only the odd incall as your home is where your kids are and evidence of them is all around, even if you tidy up beforehand. I never do things like take their coats and shoes away from the porch for example. I have tons of DVD's and a lot are the kids, I don't put them away. My guy last week was looking at the films as I really am a gangster-a-holic and you know, on the bottom 2 shelves were kids things like Shrek and Brats and all those Spiderwick type films.
It is obvious there are children here.
Sometimes asking about your children is only a talking point perhaps? This guy has a child of his own so it was a common thread if you like, a conversation we could have. A subject we both had knowledge on so we could break down a barrier that way.
It never got personal though. The normal things like, yeah, aren't they great sometimes - not!

As you see a person more regularly is it not natural to talk and find things in common?
I don't know as I am still new to this. But if your seeing a man every other week you will surely build up a rapport with them and chat about what interests you and what interests them?

If I had to make up a profession I was interested in, I am not sure I would pull it off convincingly. I told this guy I was halfway through an interior design degree as it's something I know a lot about and can answer his questions naturally and not have to remember lies or facts about another job or study.
Ha, although, on my outcall to his place this weekend he has made mention of my looking over his house as it 'needs work'. I don't think I will be clashing the two worlds in that way! I think he was being friendly and trying to show an interest in me aside from the interest he has to rip off my corset that is. Some guys are perhaps nice that way. Respectful is the word I am looking for.
But I would certainly not divulge children's names and interests and would hear alarm bells if too many questions were asked about them. I would not give my name either Alex, I would make one up if asked.
The thing is, when I am out at the shops with my children, what if a client is at the same shop? He's going to see my children then, I can't push them into the carrots and bury them alive. What if one of their friends is with us and calls out my name? They call out each other's names? It's all very tricky.
 
If one is going to establish a regular client, wouldn't it be nicer for that 'relationship' to be friendly and not just a quick in and out of the door, little conversation and all lies, or am I being the typical naive and silly newcomer who will find out in time that when I started out I was an idiot to hold the opinions I did?
As long as you find a line your comfortable with then stay behind it perhaps?
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Re: Do I OR DONT I???? ARGHHHHH I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO LOL
« Reply #14 on: 18 September 2008, 10:25:55 pm »
Hi everyone,

Sorry I haven't replied before, i sort of got a little involved with things!
I'm glad i decided to take in-calls even though it does mean working from home as i would have only had one customer otherwise, instead of one each day. I'm looking forward to the day I get two, or three or....in a day lol. I even have my first regulaur YAY!!

talking about getting personal, I'm finding it so hard to not talk, I even manage it when my mouths full LOL. Its such a part of me, of my personality, I do it without thinking, I just spout personal information!!!

What do you guys do when you see a client out and about??

I've already stupidly told one bloke where I go out and he sent me a text today saying he'd probably see me there! To be fair he did say 'oh i drink at ...' and I just said, oooh me too!! However it was bloody stupid of me! He really wants to see me again, which is great, as long as hes paying for my time! I have no desire to spend time with him if not.

Also, does anyone apart from me feel a real reluctance to 'give it away' to anyone, no matter how much you fancy them?? I dont have a boyfriend at the mo, and dont think its likely I'll have one again, I can't see many men enjoying my line of work. However I'm pretty sure they'd definately tell me where to go if I started charging  ;D

Mollyxxxxxx