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Discretion...
« on: 09 August 2011, 06:55:59 pm »
Hi Ladies,

I'm looking for Incall premises and was pondering over what sort is the most discreet. Can I pick your brains on the merits of a few options...? I'm talking about Central London here if its relevant.

I've seen converted and purpose built flats which have entry or video phones by a main front door, then various flats within, each with their own front door.  A client to the main door could be going to see any one of the tenants and from the street no-one would know who they were visiting, but residents on the same level/landing as my front door would be able to see the clients and know who they were visiting. 

I've also seen individual flats which have their own front doors. Obviously there are no internal neighbours to  notice clients coming or going - but if someone was watching from outside they would be in no doubt which premises the client was visiting.

Obviously there are lots of other considerations, like there cant be a Porter and the security has to be good too  but I still worry about upsetting my neighbours, and it also has to be as discreet as possible for my clients. Is a quiet residential street best, or a busy street with lots of business and traffic too?

I'm not after huge numbers of clients, maybe one or two visitors a day, but what do you reckon might be best?
Any thoughts?
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Re: Discretion...
« Reply #1 on: 09 August 2011, 06:59:12 pm »
With one or two visitors per day, it probably doesn't matter much. When looking, you could look to find out whether the neighbours are in when you're expecting to be working. Some blocks are virtually empty during the day, for example, while others see no-one there at weekends, etc etc.
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Re: Discretion...
« Reply #2 on: 09 August 2011, 07:08:51 pm »
I think checking out the neighbours is the most important thing, the building I live in would be perfect except it's full of students, people who work from home and housewives who have nothing better to do than stand in the hall way gossiping  >:(

Not sure how relevant parking is in London but it's also worth checking out.

It really depends on how many clients you would like, the length of booking you offer and the kind of client you normally deal with. If you're looking at a flat in a block where people are coming and going a good cover story is always good, there was a similar post not so long ago about a lady saying she was offering massage.

I work from a converted flat in a terrace in a residential area and I'm starting to have issues with discretion, but if I do need to move on it would be to the same sort of place.

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« Reply #3 on: 09 August 2011, 07:14:16 pm »
Ditto for checking out the neighbours - look for a modern block which would appeal to professional types who are likely to be out at work all day (assuming you want to work mostly daytimes?) Your worst nightmare is retired or non-working people who have nothing better to do than nose all day and try to avoid ones where the door directly faces your own, especially if it has a spyhole.

One or two a day shouldn't matter too much, to be fair. At those footfall rates, I'd be inclined to just pick what's easiest. As for parking, I think I've only ever had one punter come to visit me in London in a car in three years of visiting there, and when he asked where he should park I didn't have a clue what to tell him haha  ;D. I honestly don't think it's a priority if you're central.

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« Reply #4 on: 09 August 2011, 07:56:23 pm »
As for parking, I think I've only ever had one punter come to visit me in London in a car in three years of visiting there, and when he asked where he should park I didn't have a clue what to tell him haha  ;D. I honestly don't think it's a priority if you're central.

I find the same thing - maybe 2-3 clients who drive to see me per year?!

If someone is driving, I tell them to look for parking near my nearest station cos they've got to call me from that station for directions no matter how they're getting to me - it's part of my security/confirmation (they need to follow my simple directions and if they start protesting that they need my precise address, I politely refuse to see them). Driving in Central London is a bit silly - drivers are almost ALWAYS late! - and parking is expensive but quite plentiful so if they're determined to travel by car I'm sure it can't be that inconvenient for them.
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« Reply #5 on: 10 August 2011, 07:55:33 am »
Have you thought of basement flats,  they are quite discrete, failing that then a large block  often the larger the better, and  modern  and the more flats on  your  landing the better as well, i think  when there is only one or two its easier to suss out whats going on  also a spyhole and a safety chain as well

purpose built flat are better than conversion ( unless they are extremely well done ) for noise factor and soundproffing   

go to the premises at all different times  of the day as well ie morning  afternoon  evening and weekends if possible  places can be very different

also one thing you might want to consider is to find out what the trademen code is for the intercom if its got one so that you can bypass them getting your actuall flat number and you are able to direct them to your floor 
 i had a flat where you had to put in a code  ( it was long so no one could ever remember it) but it was great if the intercom didnt work cos you could   if your going with one with a intercom make sure it works as well )

 

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« Reply #6 on: 10 August 2011, 10:41:40 am »
Have you thought of basement flats,  they are quite discrete


yes, I'd second this.  I used to do incalls in a basement flat on a georgian terrance - the guys could just come straight down and be inside in seconds; none of the other tenants would run into them on the landing or similar

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« Reply #7 on: 10 August 2011, 04:29:11 pm »
very busy blocks of flats are good too as there are always people going in and out so it wouldnt look suspicious if your client was wandering about. I wouldnt really advise working from apartments that have concierges as I had one in my old building and he used to ask visitors which flat they were visiting before he would allow them in (not good if you have 10 guys a week visiting you).
If you are going for a flat then try not to get one that is really close to lots of other flats on the landing as the sound proofing can be terrible and your neighbours might be able to hear you opening and closing the door to the clients etc.


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Re: Discretion...
« Reply #8 on: 10 August 2011, 04:40:10 pm »
Have you thought of basement flats,  they are quite discrete, failing that then a large block  often the larger the better, and  modern  and the more flats on  your  landing the better as well, i think  when there is only one or two its easier to suss out whats going on  also a spyhole and a safety chain as well

purpose built flat are better than conversion ( unless they are extremely well done ) for noise factor and soundproffing   

go to the premises at all different times  of the day as well ie morning  afternoon  evening and weekends if possible  places can be very different

also one thing you might want to consider is to find out what the trademen code is for the intercom if its got one so that you can bypass them getting your actuall flat number and you are able to direct them to your floor 
 i had a flat where you had to put in a code  ( it was long so no one could ever remember it) but it was great if the intercom didnt work cos you could   if your going with one with a intercom make sure it works as well )

 

I disagree with this one - I've experience of purpose built, expensive ones too being badly soundproofed/designed. The same regards retires vs professionals. There are blocks of new build flats in my area, that have a high level of occupancy from those in their 60s & 70s who have swapped a large family home, for a smaller, low maintenance, new flat.  The only suitable flats I've seen have been in conversions, where it's not as 'open' and with original thick stone walls.

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« Reply #9 on: 10 August 2011, 05:27:30 pm »
If you are going for a flat then try not to get one that is really close to lots of other flats on the landing as the sound proofing can be terrible and your neighbours might be able to hear you opening and closing the door to the clients etc.

Yes, you need to be wary of clients nattering away to you in the shared hallways, too, which is even worse if you have to walk past your neighbours' front doors to get the client into your flat. It's awkward to open the door to someone and have to immediately tell them to shut up while you go past the shared areas, but it's truly amazing how much can be heard by the people around you.

I have upstairs neighbours and I know when they're in, when they're out and when they've got visitors cos I can very annoyingly hear every step anyone takes on the shared stairs outside my door!

I think if I were looking for a new incall, I'd go for a basement flat like the others mentioned above. You don't need to worry about lack of natural light, since the bedroom's likely going to have soft lamps and all that anyway, and if you're not living there it certainly doesn't matter.

A proper spyhole and ideally a video camera entryphone are extremely useful, since sometimes you'll have a client due at 12pm and the postman calling at 11.58am and you want to know which is which!

I'm not sure if busy street vs quieter street matters too much, but think about how you're going to direct clients to your door and whether there's likely to be many men standing about on the street outside yelling your work name down their phone because they're lost! It's best to be giving directions from a nearby landmark/tube station on the phone so you can tell them precisely which doorbell to press if there's a choice; it's amazing how much they can sometimes not listen and I've had at least one client demand my upstairs neighbour let him in.

Try not to ever leave them to their own devices in the building. As I said, keep them on the phone while you direct them to your incall place, meet them at the door (unless it's a very big, nice block with secure doors that close themselves after someone comes in) and walk with them through the corridors so that they don't bump into a random woman and start trying to show her their penis. A client once told me he visited an escort and went into the wrong flat because the neighbour had happened to open her door to put rubbish out or something - he literally went right into the neighbour's flat and probably scared the wotsit out of her! He laughed about it but obviously he wasn't the one in danger of being evicted due to his mistake. So yes, try not to leave them alone ever - I had someone go through the post that had been delivered during his booking that he found downstairs once, too, and then email me later to tell me I wasn't on the ball about my privacy. ::)

Oh, and I think the most important thing to keep in mind is that wherever you rent, don't go for a contract longer than 6 months unless there's a break clause. You might find the perfect place but a few months in, you could get a stalker, or you could get found out by the neighbours, or you could just hate it for some reason - always keep a 'temporary' feel to things so that you can quickly pack up and move on should a disaster happen.
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« Reply #10 on: 10 August 2011, 07:15:43 pm »
Good advice from Emily Jones, the guy walking into another flat could have actually had consequences for him - some women would call the police in such circumstances I'm sure.  The thing about talking in corridors is spot on, guys will come running in "Hi Miss Sexyshoes" as they are walking up to your door, and it can be too late to tell them afterwards - tell them before and it can sound pedantic.

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« Reply #11 on: 10 August 2011, 09:34:21 pm »
 i wouldnt even give them the door number  if i could get away with it   ::) ::)
what i do is keep them on the phone  and direct them more or less to the door that way there is no way that they can get lost or knock on the wrong door  ect
   
  a spyhole is great you can see who is there  if possible get a flat that overlooks the main entrance that way you will be able to see them and guide them in   

and remember if you can hear your neighbours then they can hear you as well       flat that are either at the begining of the corridor or the end of the corridor are good as you only have one  immediate neighbour next door

generally its the ones opposite that suss things out   

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« Reply #12 on: 10 August 2011, 09:52:54 pm »
i think it just depends on how well they the building are built  and also the area /city its in  some  citys have a lot of  converted mansion types of  flats  ect with often have really thick walls to begin with due to the style of the building and its age 
the only conversion flat that i had was awful it was a basement flat which was great and it was a great location  and it was on two levels with the bedroom being down at the bottom however upstairs played bloody awfull chamber music all day and night  and they had a piano that was out of tune and as soon as they moved around i could hear them above me 

   the purpose built flat that i rented a few years ago when i was unable to work from my flat was  fine and of a very good high standard  from good all Grant Bovey and Anthea Turners old company Imagine homes they have gone bankrups nbow but they  were very good properties  to rent from   it was fully furnished to a really high standard  and really great  at  750 a month for two bed two bath fully furnished it was a really really good deal
 
  However   my own flat which is purpose built isnt that good with regards to soundproofing but i can live with that as it cost me next to nothing and  its and end flat  i can see the guys coming across from the car park and it has cctv and entry com
   
 Also i wouldnt  rent from  a  really new build place ie just finnished ect as there will probably be teething problems ie intercom not working lifts not working  i would rent a place that has been  up for a few years  also the mail boxes in a lot of places are left out on tables if its in those mansion blocks or in very easy to put your hand in mail boxes  so anyone can potentially get your name adrress ect 
also i woudnt want to take a flat where the bedroom is at the front of the building ie  if its a basement flat then bedroom is next to the front door if you get what i mean  as guys can turn up and be banging on the door /window while your working /sleeping     
i would work out whats is important to you  and within your budget  furnishe /unfurnished,  ie security  neighbourhood neighbours,   new build, or old conversion basement proximity to tubes  /parking ect     
i would prefer to rent from a place that has been up for a few years  your going to be shelling out approximently 2k depending on where you are so you do want to get it right as well
 
and my advice is dont get to friendly with the neighbours ie dont take in parcels for them or even speak to them,   treat them like the anti crist and you will probably be ok

if your handy with diy and there is no cctv but a spy hole you can replace the orginal spy hole with a cctv spyhole that fits in the orginal spyhole and just plug it into  a small camera that what i have at my flat  they are around 40 quid from
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Have you thought of basement flats,  they are quite discrete, failing that then a large block  often the larger the better, and  modern  and the more flats on  your  landing the better as well, i think  when there is only one or two its easier to suss out whats going on  also a spyhole and a safety chain as well

purpose built flat are better than conversion ( unless they are extremely well done ) for noise factor and soundproffing   

go to the premises at all different times  of the day as well ie morning  afternoon  evening and weekends if possible  places can be very different

also one thing you might want to consider is to find out what the trademen code is for the intercom if its got one so that you can bypass them getting your actuall flat number and you are able to direct them to your floor 
 i had a flat where you had to put in a code  ( it was long so no one could ever remember it) but it was great if the intercom didnt work cos you could   if your going with one with a intercom make sure it works as well )

 

I disagree with this one - I've experience of purpose built, expensive ones too being badly soundproofed/designed. The same regards retires vs professionals. There are blocks of new build flats in my area, that have a high level of occupancy from those in their 60s & 70s who have swapped a large family home, for a smaller, low maintenance, new flat.  The only suitable flats I've seen have been in conversions, where it's not as 'open' and with original thick stone walls.

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« Reply #13 on: 10 August 2011, 09:53:19 pm »
I usually have a little sticky  or small sign in my mailbox/buzzer/door  stating that there's a business there (thus justifying the traffic).  Something very simple like "holistic therapy","Hypnotherapy", Physio, computer solutions & marketing, etc... If a neighbour engages in conversation regarding what you do just have your lines prepared and be very nice and casual about it. Dress down when coming in and out. Don't wear flashy, revealing stuff, heels or look too pretty or too much make-up. Be very low key jeans & shirt type of person. Don't befriend the neighbours.
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« Reply #14 on: 10 August 2011, 10:03:13 pm »
I usually have a little sticky  or small sign in my mailbox/buzzer/door  stating that there's a business there (thus justifying the traffic).  Something very simple like "holistic therapy","Hypnotherapy", Physio, computer solutions & marketing, etc... If a neighbour engages in conversation regarding what you do just have your lines prepared and be very nice and casual about it. Dress down when coming in and out. Don't wear flashy, revealing stuff, heels or look too pretty or too much make-up. Be very low key jeans & shirt type of person. Don't befriend the neighbours.

I love the sticky note idea, it's fantastic advice :)

I personally used to work in a flat, where I could see the person on a video screen before I buzzed them up. It was very helpful. I used to worry about my neighbours, because I had a door opposite mine, but very rarely saw them. Discretion is very easily achieved. I work from a small house in a cul-de-sac at the moment, and I have two front doors - one main, and one small behind it. I usually watch the road from the window, to check clients when they arrive. Working in Central London has never been a problem for me.