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Re: Deposits.
« Reply #135 on: 21 March 2017, 04:37:10 pm »
Thanks wishlist, I have looked this up and you are correct.

What happens if the sender does a card chargeback, or tells his bank the payment has been taken in error?

I suppose the main danger is that a punter contacts PP trying to get his money back, and PP then close the account.

I only use paypal for cam shows tbh and thats with guys who have been booking me for years, iv never had anyone try and pull a fast one, but if they went to the trouble of telling PP what the money was for then yes your account would go

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« Reply #136 on: 21 March 2017, 06:02:35 pm »
Do not use Paypal! Mine was frozen for adult work ( I still don't really know how they found out)   it took 6 months to get the money back after a massive lot of hassle and fuss and I not even sure I was supposed to get a refund due to breaking the T&cs

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« Reply #137 on: 02 April 2017, 06:52:54 pm »
I am switching over to a system of deposits for advance bookings during Tours and I wondered if anyone had used circle.com? If so do they know if there is a charge to the user for doing it this way, I assume that there is.

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« Reply #138 on: 04 April 2017, 08:23:33 pm »
Well after trawling through the pages of their terms and conditions I found out  that your full legal name is revealed to the sender.

Unfortunately I've already used it once, thought I'd gone through the T&C carefully, obviously not carefully enough.

To say I'm rather worried now is the understatement of the year.

I am switching over to a system of deposits for advance bookings during Tours and I wondered if anyone had used circle.com? If so do they know if there is a charge to the user for doing it this way, I assume that there is.

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Re: Deposits.
« Reply #139 on: 04 April 2017, 08:26:08 pm »
Well after trawling through the pages of their terms and conditions I found out  that your full legal name is revealed to the sender.

Urgh. If anything comes of it I'd say it was a friend or relatives account and you're just trying the method out before you decide whether to commit to getting one yourself?

Can you register it in a other name or a business name? I've never heard of it.

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« Reply #140 on: 04 April 2017, 08:36:28 pm »
Urgh. If anything comes of it I'd say it was a friend or relatives account and you're just trying the method out before you decide whether to commit to getting one yourself?

Can you register it in a other name or a business name? I've never heard of it.

It's only since I've been using social media to promote business I've come across it, it was set up & used once a couple of months ago.

I can find out if you can register it in a business name, I don't think you can but my worry for now is my name is out there to be Googled etc by said person.

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« Reply #141 on: 07 April 2017, 03:14:25 pm »
my worry for now is my name is out there to be Googled etc by said person.

Hi SimplySinful

I signed up to circle.com and got verified with my Bank (added my Debit Card), Drivers Licence (& a live selfie via the App, like they asked!) ---  apparently in the UK you attach a Debit Card not a bank account because as your debit card is linked to your bank account the funds reach your account quicker.

Anyway???..  when I logged in I noticed under my (real) name (top right hand corner) when I clicked on that a drop menu appears with Settings? when you click on Settings it opens up with THREE different options of how you might want your name to appear (to other Circle users). The 3 options shown of how I want my name to appear to other circle users are:

1.   My real name? for argument sake lets say JANE DOE
2.   Jane D
3.   janedoe@wankmale.com

So it gives you THREE different options of how you want your name to appear to other circle users (you can only be paid by others who have signed up to Circle), so for example a Client wants to pay by Deposit via Circle?.  you send them a link to circle from your email address (the one you have associated/linked to your circle account) so they don?t see your name at any time.

I spoke to Circle via the telephone number on their website, (01793 250273) they were helpful and informed me of the above?.however you might want to ring them yourself if you are still concerned.

So basically on their website it shows:

Show Me On Circle as:

Option 1
Option 2
Option 3 above.

However I rang because I wanted to make sure I was interpreting what was on their website correctly.  Also even though he has said (re-assured me) that that is how it works, being a belt & braces person I still intend to do further research (to see if it does work that way) and am going to download the App to my hubby?s phone and do my own ?test?.

Additionally, for those who might be interested? once verified you can have ?300 per week loaded onto it, you can apply to have it increased apparently and I think the max they will allow would be ?2,000 per week.

As I said you would have to be Verified of course to receive those amounts (so therefore obviously have to have the circle.com account in your real name but if you can circumnavigate the issue of having your anonymity protected using an email address to show to other Circle users then that doesn?t matter).

Further info on this App, which launched in April last year can be found if you Google "Circle Launches Its Social Payment Service In The UK, Partners With Barclays". Useful articles about it come up as the top 2 search results, one is Reuters (re Barclays) and the other Forbes.

It would be great if it did offer this level of anonymity as I had another App that promised the same thing (not on their website but when I contacted them via their Facebook Support page they said it was anonymous) however I tested it on my hubby?s phone it did show real full names of us both.  This one (circle) seems better as it asks on the website how you want to be shown to other Circle users (which the other App didn?t at the back end, I was just relying on Support Staff to tell me that).

So if it works the way it says it does, then the Clients who are paying also have their privacy protected as well, as they too can choose to pay another Circle user appearing as an email address.

In case I don?t get round to testing it, if anyone else does before me, it would be useful if they could report back here.

P.S.

I got the info below by googling "circle.com ?300 per week".  (Please note: where Bitcoin is mentioned in any search results - Bitcoin is not used in the UK).

?Limits start at ?300 per week. This is only for adding money to your Circle account from your card, and sending money directly from your card. There are no limits for transferring money out of your Circle account balance.

1.   Limits reset on a rolling 7 day period.

2.   We understand you may want more than ?300 per week. By sharing a few more details about yourself, you can request an increase to ?2000 per week.?
« Last Edit: 07 April 2017, 03:30:05 pm by Bexy »

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« Reply #142 on: 09 April 2017, 06:05:16 pm »
Hi Everyone

I opened a Circle account in my hubby's name (as well as having one in my own) and have tested it today to see what sort of info is revealed to either party.

As stated above, there are 3 Options of how you want to appear on Circle to other Circle users. I choose an email address and I also put an email address in my hubby?s account.

I then sent some money to his Circle account and can confirm that BOTH sides are only seeing each other?s email address. NO other info is revealed, no names or anything. So as long as you make sure to tick in your Settings you want to be shown to other Circle users as an email address then it should work.

I think this App (you can download it as an App, search for Circle Pay) could be very useful for ladies who take Deposits or indeed any type of tribute as it appears to provide anonymity that so many seek. You simply attach/bolt your Debit Card to the account and then 'Cash Out' to whatever bank account your debit card is linked to.

Also it might be worth noting this re Limits:

?Your Starting Weekly Limit

When you first sign up with a Circle account, your weekly limit begins at ?300. You may request that this limit be increased to ?2000 by providing some additional information.

Once you submit your request, we will determine if you are qualified for an increase. If you are not immediately eligible, our system will wait until there is sufficient account history, and only when we have increased your limit will you receive an email notifying you of the update.?


Their Customer Helpline (number on circle.com website) was really friendly and quick to respond.

Also, some ladies out there who might know each other might like to avail of this:

"Send friends this link and you'll both get ?5 when they sign up with a debit card and send ?25."

You get that link once you have signed up. It?s strange though as they didn?t seek my hubby's ID or a selfie pic like they did with mine. And I did the same thing with his, i.e., bolted a Debit Card to the account. So not sure why I had to do that bit extra yet his account wasn?t asked to provide the same amount of verification mine was. Although it did say something like we are verifying with visa your details on his, I can't remember if mine said this as I opened my account months ago, also with a visa debit card. But anyway?. Just thought I would report back & say it appears to work (not show real name/s). Oh and its free.

« Last Edit: 09 April 2017, 06:10:19 pm by Bexy »

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« Reply #143 on: 09 April 2017, 06:14:22 pm »
Thanks Bexy I've only just seen this! I am going to go and check my account now. I've only used it the once ( money was sent to me) and just got in a panic a month or so later when I went through the T and C in it said your real name would be revealed!

Even if it's only been revealed one time that's bad enough.

Thanks for your in depth reply.

However a word of warning. I have heard that some SWs have had money seized from their circle accounts when it's been discovered what they do. I'm not sure how it was discovered but I do know this has happened.

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« Reply #144 on: 09 April 2017, 06:24:26 pm »
Thanks Bexy I've only just seen this! I am going to go and check my account now. I've only used it the once ( money was sent to me) and just got in a panic a month or so later when I went through the T and C in it said your real name would be revealed!

Even if it's only been revealed one time that's bad enough.

Thanks for your in depth reply.

However a word of warning. I have heard that some SWs have had money seized from their circle accounts when it's been discovered what they do. I'm not sure how it was discovered but I do know this has happened.

Do they have a t&c which says no adult services or selling sex ?

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« Reply #145 on: 09 April 2017, 06:29:32 pm »
Do they have a t&c which says no adult services or selling sex ?

I will have to go through them again I just got as far as the real name last time!

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« Reply #146 on: 09 April 2017, 06:36:37 pm »
Hi SS & Mirror

Well I assumed it to be Adult friendly as Kate Boleyn who runs Boleyn Models, an American Daily Pay service for Adult Webcam sites etc uses it (to pay UK models & perhaps others), as that is where I first became aware of it (in an email she sent out).

Also there are some videos on YouTube regarding it, for example if you input "circle pay send money easily and quickly" it will kick up a video plus there are others if you input different search combinations, circle.com etc. (altho I haven't looked through all the videos or indeed mean they refer to adult services). Also it might be worth mentioning that the UK version looks somewhat different to the American one in videos, i.e., we can't link a bank account only a Debit Card.

In view of the above I am surprised to hear that SW's have experienced trouble because of their profession in view of the fact adult webcam performers etc are getting their wages paid via it!  :-\
« Last Edit: 09 April 2017, 06:44:55 pm by Bexy »

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« Reply #147 on: 09 April 2017, 06:52:00 pm »
This from Circles Privacy Policy:

Your Identity & Photo. In order for other Circle users to transact with you (sending money, receiving money, requesting money, etc.) they will be able to see your full legal name.

This seems to be a separate issue from how your personal details appear on Circle itself (your profile)

I've tried trawling through the t&c on my phone, can't find any specific stuff about sex work but I think some of the other conditions could easily cover it in law.

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« Reply #148 on: 09 April 2017, 07:08:46 pm »
Hi again SS

I've been trying to find the info you describe in the T&C's but can't find it at the moment (am still looking!).

Its strange as I was told the opposite when I phoned, the guy on the other end of the line said other Circle users only see what you choose (i.e., an email address if that's what you select). I tried it out today using my hubby's account (sent him some money) and it appears to work the way the guy said, as all either of us can see is each other's email address.

One thing I noticed though is it appears to be somehow linked with Barclays (at least here in the UK) and I know Barclays run Pingit and it operates in a similar way with the only difference being Barclays/Pingit DO actually reveal full/legal name if you use Pingit. (Although from what you are saying is Circle do too, yet my personal experience shows otherwise).

I guess at the end of the day perhaps further due diligence is needed.  I might phone them again next week explaining I rang before (& explain what I was originally told) and then also quote what is written in your embolden text re Privacy and see what they say. Its all a bit of a conundrum.
« Last Edit: 09 April 2017, 07:10:52 pm by Bexy »

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« Reply #149 on: 09 April 2017, 07:23:49 pm »
Yes I have now found the same info below -----  however I think it might possibly be something they have not updated as I think when they originally started in 2013 (in USA, in 2016 over here), there was only 1 way to be seen/known on the account, now they have added 2 other options (in addition to legal name).  1. your real/full name, 2 an abbrev of your full name or 3. an email address. Also I have not uploaded any other info, like profile pic or anything!

I will 'phone them next week and find out if this is correct (& if it is point out they need to update this on their T&C's!).  The financial transaction I did between me and hubster definitely does NOT show/reveal our legal names.

So am pretty sure some of this out of date and needs to be amended/updated:

"Your Identity & Photo. In order for other Circle users to transact with you (sending money, receiving money, requesting money, etc.) they will be able to see your full legal name. If you upload a profile photo or avatar to your account, this will also be visible to other Circle users. If Circle adds additional features that allow you to share more identity information, further information may be shared if you opt in to such features."