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Miss-bunny-darling

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Re: Deposits.
« Reply #75 on: 21 January 2017, 08:42:04 pm »
Hi guys, I  really would appreciate and love some advice.
Apologies if this is a subject that's already somewhere on site, I'm struggling to navigate my way round the forum...tech savvy I am not.

I've recently decided to try escorting, I already am self employed and know how to run a business, however money is very tight for me at the moment and I want to make the most of escorting so I can invest in my other business. I've researched everywhere I can online, and will continue to read and re-read everything, my partner is in the loop with it all and we have discussed the pros and cons and I am now signed up on Aw, and actually pretty damn proud of how my profile looks. :)

So skip to the point...sorry I'm not great at being concise! I've decided to work hotels to start off with, incalls only by advanced booking to fit around my other work, and because money is the main issue here, I've stated I want a ?50 deposit for 0.5-1 hour bookings, ( my rate here being (?75-130) and for any booking over 2 hours a ?75 deposit. My main worry being I will book hotels and have loads of no shows, and be in an even tighter spot.
I've said I will take deposits via PayPal,and should anyone need to cancel, I just need 24 hours notice for them to get a full refund. I have said I will discuss all bookings via a phone call, and then once the booking is put through via AW booking I can sent deposit details etc.

I would think the same with any legitimate business, deposits would be understandable, as my time is money. Also means the client and myself doesn't have to carry so much cash in the day, and with it being PayPal should anything untoward happen the money is pretty safe for both parties.

However I haven't really seen anyone asking for deposits, and when researching last night online all of the punt sites claimed this was just a scam. So I'm wondering am I dooming business before I even start asking for deposits for advanced appointments, or will it just weed out time wasters? I don't mind if business is a little slower to start with, as I hope once I start getting feedback people will be more trusting.
I just don't want it to be a massive red flag I'm not aware of whenever someone looks at my profile or thinks about booking me.

Any advice or constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated ladies.
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Re: Deposits.
« Reply #76 on: 22 January 2017, 03:23:08 am »
Hi there - firstly, if PayPal get any inkling you're a sex worker they'll delete your account.

Secondly, 99 percent of clients won't pay a deposit, and those that do, it's normally for something like an overnight, or where travel is involved. For a booking of less than 2h in a hotel room, I really don't see many agreeing.

Start off with a cheap hotel room, do a few bookings, and that will get you started. A good policy a member has here is never to pay more than the cost of a 1h booking for the room. So, if you add in travel, food etc., you should be able to make a profit so long as you do 1.5 hours of bookings.

You'll also get men who don't want to make a booking on AdultWork but will just phone you and expect to arrange the booking that way.
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Re: Deposits.
« Reply #77 on: 22 January 2017, 08:35:54 am »
I agree with Kay, you're putting your Paypal account at risk (and they'll seize the funds BTW). All that needs to happen is a guy pays a deposit via Paypal, comes to the booking and give you the other half in cash, then files a chargeback with Paypal saying you offered him sex. Paypal will shut you down in a heartbeat, and guess what, they will give the client back his deposit!!

Additionally you'll get very few bookings in advance in most cities. When I go off on tour I rarely have an advanced booking before setting off, but I've never yet failed to cover my costs.

If you start to take deposits once you're established and have some feedback, you'll need to accept it via a different method, e.g. Amazon vouchers, phone credit or bank deposit.
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Re: Deposits.
« Reply #78 on: 22 January 2017, 09:17:34 am »
Hi guys, I  really would appreciate and love some advice.
Apologies if this is a subject that's already somewhere on site, I'm struggling to navigate my way round the forum...tech savvy I am not.

I've recently decided to try escorting, I already am self employed and know how to run a business, however money is very tight for me at the moment and I want to make the most of escorting so I can invest in my other business. I've researched everywhere I can online, and will continue to read and re-read everything, my partner is in the loop with it all and we have discussed the pros and cons and I am now signed up on Aw, and actually pretty damn proud of how my profile looks. :)

So skip to the point...sorry I'm not great at being concise! I've decided to work hotels to start off with, incalls only by advanced booking to fit around my other work, and because money is the main issue here, I've stated I want a ?50 deposit for 0.5-1 hour bookings, ( my rate here being (?75-130) and for any booking over 2 hours a ?75 deposit. My main worry being I will book hotels and have loads of no shows, and be in an even tighter spot.
I've said I will take deposits via PayPal,and should anyone need to cancel, I just need 24 hours notice for them to get a full refund. I have said I will discuss all bookings via a phone call, and then once the booking is put through via AW booking I can sent deposit details etc.

I would think the same with any legitimate business, deposits would be understandable, as my time is money. Also means the client and myself doesn't have to carry so much cash in the day, and with it being PayPal should anything untoward happen the money is pretty safe for both parties.

However I haven't really seen anyone asking for deposits, and when researching last night online all of the punt sites claimed this was just a scam. So I'm wondering am I dooming business before I even start asking for deposits for advanced appointments, or will it just weed out time wasters? I don't mind if business is a little slower to start with, as I hope once I start getting feedback people will be more trusting.
I just don't want it to be a massive red flag I'm not aware of whenever someone looks at my profile or thinks about booking me.

Any advice or constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated ladies.
Love love
Xx

Here's a little advice from a girl in a similar situation to you...

#1. I would suggest you may struggle getting guys to pay a deposit. Guys are flighty and crap at the best of times, and most are generally suspicious of us because of the few shady girls out there who actually do lie/cheat/steal etc and wreck the trust for all of us. Just as we worry they won't show up/behave etc, they worry that we are going to fleece them. Anyone asking for money on the internet is going to be viewed as a shady scammer most of the time anyway, and if you read through punter forums you'll get the feel that they believe we are mostly dishonest and desperate beasts (though sidenote - never read those forums lol. Totally soul destroying to start with!). Having said all of the above, if you do decide to request deposits and find guys willing to pay, do not under any circumstances let them pay via paypal. Even if they don't notice you're doing adult work and close your account (as suggested above - yes it does happen), paypal payments can be recalled by the person who made them for quite some time after they are made, including after you've withdrawn the funds to your bank account or spent them elsewhere online (which can throw your bank account attached to your paypal into overdraft and cause a whole new set of problems).

Last note on that - I've been working on and off for maybe a year now. In that time I'd suggest maybe 15 guys have offered to pay me a deposit when I have turned down things like outcalls, neighbourhoods that are too far from me, jobs in other nearby towns where I don't work etc - In all cases I give guys the benefit of the doubt, so I've agreed and given them my bank account and said once the deposit they offered is in my account I will come and do the job. It's never happened yet...

#2. No shows and having hotel costs is an issue. Unfortunately this industry is rather up and down, and all you can do is minimize the risk - you can never remove it entirely. As a side note you also need to gear yourself emotionally for that... timewasters, quiet times, losing out cause your bet (and trust me it is a gamble a lot of the time) to work one night didn't pay off - it's the hardest part of the job for me. The best idea is to start not necessarily close to home as that can be a no-go for some people, but somewhere it's not going to cost you a lot to get to. Keep your costs as low as possible. Here are my tricks:
  • When you book a hotel, make sure it can be cancelled for free on the day, preferably as late as possible in the day so you are able to cancel if you need to. Checkin is usually 2-3pm anyway, which gives you half the day to see if you are going to have a booking or not. If I haven't had reasonable interest if not an actual booking in play before you're planning to leave home, pull the plug and try another day.
  • Try to find a cheap (but nice/tidy) hotel where the cost is roughly the amount of your shortest booking (or at least not much more). This means that with one job you'll break even, reducing the risk you're going to be put out of pocket. There's zero sense booking a place for 250 pounds a night if your bookings are likely to be half hours at 70 pounds... that's a lot of jobs/money to reach your break even. Most guys won't care if you go fancy - all they care about is clean and tidy (and something I've found interesting/helpful though probably don't recommend is reading the punters forums - gives some good ideas on what they like, what bugs them, what's actually important etc. You'll see pretty quickly that fancy hotels aren't high on the list).

#3. Though this should have been #1 really. Make sure your verification picture for AW is hidden - there's a setting in your account settings where you can switch it off. The guys love to trawl through the site hunting newbies to expose... be careful! In terms of other basic safety (as you said you weren't too tech saavy), never use your real/usual phone number, and use a new email address that is specifically for working. A lot of girls don't realise things like your facebook/twitter/instagram are all searchable by your phone number and email address. Again there are groups of guys online who make it their mission to figure out exactly who you are, what you look like on your worst days, and then put it online to expose you and joke about it. I'm not trying to freak you out here - just be sensible and stay safe!

#4. Do your homework before you see a client. As Kay mentioned before some guys don't put a booking through AW, but I would suggest from my personal experience to make them lol. I've been through a period over the last couple of months where I get sooooo many no shows and timewasters. I do this job for fun and to put some extra cash into my real life business, so I don't really care if I don't have loads of work but I hate wasting a day sitting around waiting for work that never comes. I used to show my number on my profile and just take anyone willy nilly. A lot didn't show. My new policy which I explain to them is a booking through AW, I'll send them my number and precise hotel details (prior to that I only give them the nearest station which is always 2 mins from my hotel so they know close enough location to make a decision on whether to see me) after that - funnily enough I'd say 75% of punters disappear never to be heard from again... and those 75% are the ones who have been no-showing on me lately. Since I've started insisting on putting through a booking in AW I don't get no shows anymore. Maybe a coincidence, but it seems to be working for me at the moment. Also if you're not showing your number on your profile, be weary of anyone who pops up and just says 'what's your number'. When I switched to more privacy to weed out timewasters I got a lot of these messages.... then you give them your number and they are never to be heard from again. I have since found out that a lot of the guys I mentioned earlier will try to find out your number etc so they can go do other shady things like hunt down face pics and real details online... again, different number for your work and choose who you give your details to carefully.

#5. Be vigilant and check on here that your prospective client isn't tagged on here for being shady. Admittedly I'm a bit lazy at times and I don't do it... then I have bad experiences like one I had last night with an abusive texter who was already tagged here. I should have known better lol.

#6. Stay safe, stay happy, get your bits checked regularly (to protect both you and your partner) and set your boundaries (and don't let the buggers push them!).

Good Luck!!
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Re: Deposits.
« Reply #79 on: 22 January 2017, 09:20:42 am »
Look at it this way you are a new girl with a shiny new AW account and 0 feedback, it would be a very stupid man who would pre pay you fifty quid. There are fake AW profiles and con women ripping punters off by doing this exact scam not to mention you risking getting your paypal account shut down and losing your deposit.

You have to be prepared to take chances when you play this game.

 There are no assurances in escorting its a risk and a gamble, you may see 10 wonderful gents make a profit and be on cloud 9 OR you may sit in you hotel room all day taking calls from twats and TW's get bugger all and be out of pocket for the hotel room, nobody can tell the future about what earnings you may come away with or even if you will be any good as an escort as its more than just sleeping with men for money.

Are you ok about sucking an obese 65 year old cock for money and keep a smile on your face?

You may meet lovely gentlemen you may meet nutters especially being 'new neat' to the market, so rather than focussing on deposits I would worry about how you are going to screen your punters, avoid timewasters and not look like fresh meat to any nutjob who may want to book you.
Good luck in your new venture.

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Re: Deposits.
« Reply #80 on: 22 January 2017, 09:35:57 am »
I agree with what the previous replies have said.

As a new profile you will automatically get more calls from normal punters as well as TW's and you need to develop ways to weed out the TW's from the normal guys. This is where you will be more likely to make money as the more bookings from TW who never show then the less time you will have to see the paying gents.

As for deposits would you send money to someone you have never met, has no feedback and who you have no address for on the promise that once that money has been received a hotel room would be booked and a meeting will go ahead. I have only ever asked for a deposit once and that was because the guy had messed me about twice before and i was driving 2 hours to get to a meeting so i did not want to be totally out of pocket but other than that I have never thought of asking for one. It is always a gamble and while i am relatively new to working in hotels I have never failed to get my costs back and i have always made at least a small profit even this January when it has been really quiet

I hope you do well and that your financial situation improves but there are no guarantees in this line of work

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« Reply #81 on: 22 January 2017, 10:16:47 am »
Hey Hun

I'm a  touring escort I only work from hotels and yeh it can be crap paying out for hotels and travel and then getting no customers Or getting no shows it's annoying but we have good days and bad days . I have worked for 6 years and I have never had a guy pay me a deposit I have only ever asked for ones that are for over nights instead the guy offered to come to a hotel nearer to me they don't like paying deposits especially if your profile is brand new no feed back . But being new you will be really busy more that likely with loads of genuine and absolutely fools . Working out a idiot from a genuine guy comes with time also you will prob get loads of guys trying to call and get you to talk dirty like what will we get up too and what will you do to me I just politely say well you will see when we meet .

I would really forget the desposit idea Hun and just get a cheapy hotel and hope it's busy xxx

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« Reply #82 on: 22 January 2017, 10:25:34 am »
PayPal can be reversed very easily, up to over 1 month later,  and unless you can show you provided goods you haven't a chance to get it back. That's if they don't close it for receiving payment for adult services.

I use a deposit system and more men than you think do pay, and some opt to pay their entire booking fee that way. I am however very established, and known. I have a bank account for cash or transfers, and accept Amazon vouchers either direct from their website or bought for cash in shops with codes sent to me. The deposit is not paid, booking not definite until I have the deposit in my account and can see it at my end.

I can say that taking and dealing with deposits can, if not experienced be an extra faff. I brought them in because I want to dissuade cancellation, and was fed up of people who chopped and changed, or needed a lot of arrangement before then cancelling. I only accept a certain number of bookings, have another mostly unpaid job plus studies and just want to make most efficient use of my time. Reliable regulars of course do not pay the deposit.


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« Reply #83 on: 22 January 2017, 10:27:59 am »
Also AW finds out that you are taking deposits via Paypal you will be permanently deleted.

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« Reply #84 on: 22 January 2017, 10:28:47 am »
Also AW finds out that you are taking deposits via Paypal you will be permanently deleted.

Really? Is this in their rules?

I wasn't aware AW could dictate the way in which you receive payment for bookings. I know you can't accept their credits for bookings.
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« Reply #85 on: 22 January 2017, 10:38:21 am »
I've just searched AW help centre for deposits, then payment.

They strongly advise against paying deposits, they say their credits cannot be used, they also warn that PayPal do not tolerate payment for adult related services.

They do not say it is against AW rules to use PayPal.

It will be against their rules to write PayPal.  Co.  UK

I made that mistake by mentioning Amazon.  Co.... In my profile, which was immediately removed and reinstated once I removed the. Co. UK writing. 

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« Reply #86 on: 22 January 2017, 11:20:11 am »
Unfortunately and I think it was 2 years ago where girls were taking deposits and doing webcam shows and taking payment via paypal AW did advise that profiles will be deleted.  Also you will find if you go this way it takes one narky client to report you to AW and you will find your profile deleted.

It has happened and girls have lost their profiles due to this.

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« Reply #87 on: 22 January 2017, 12:39:49 pm »
Unfortunately and I think it was 2 years ago where girls were taking deposits and doing webcam shows and taking payment via paypal AW did advise that profiles will be deleted.  Also you will find if you go this way it takes one narky client to report you to AW and you will find your profile deleted.

It has happened and girls have lost their profiles due to this.

It sounds like they were circumventing the credits system, so quite understandable.

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« Reply #88 on: 22 January 2017, 01:12:57 pm »
Hi

Like everyone has advised if PayPal are made aware you are taking deposit for escorting they will delete your account.

I was in a predicament just before Xmas when in CRAWLEY I had 4 1 hour no shows which I believe is was a girl targeting me as apposed to a punter.   From now on I only accept bookings via Adultwork or a 20 pound refundable deposit (2 hours before cancellation accepted).   I know I have lost a few bookings over this but I haven't had one show  since.   I display my number and make it perfectly clear 'do not contact me if you arnt prepared to book via AW or pay a deposit'.   I haven't encountered any problems getting deposits.

Unfortunately as you don't have feedback punters are gonna be wary and think it is a scam.   I think in all honesty you are gonna have to wait until you receive some feedbacks or don't display your number and only accept bookings through AW.

Best of luck.

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Re: Deposits.
« Reply #89 on: 22 January 2017, 01:29:02 pm »
Hi dolls,
Thank you so much to all the lovely ladies that have taken time to sit and reply.

I've taken what you have all said on board, and it's confirmed my suspicions and worries. I will remove for now any requests for deposit, and re-think once I have a decent amount of feedback on the profile.

Hotel wise I won't be looking at anywhere fancy at all, but a few simple ones I have stayed in before and can remember are easy to access without key cards etc. They all seem to be around the same price as I have said I would charge for one hour, so good to hear that meets with a lot of advice. :)

The main reason I had thought PayPal was safest, was to keep myself unknown, I know now about the amazon cards etc but worried about giving bank details as they would include my real name, and area can be deduced from the sort code. I had worried about chargebacks as I've experience people being sly bastards with those before with my other work, but only once or twice in the 9 years I'd been doing it and I assumed maybe the majority of the population isn't clued up enough to be that sly.

I've set up a new email, new phone number, and will possibly set up a new facebook or instagram with shots I can upload daily. Would this be a good way of ensuring potentials that I am a real person?
I've also read up and taken note on not carrying ID or anything that could be used to identify the real me with me , that a nosy client could find or steal from my bag and find out who I am. I keep checking as I'm in process of becoming verified, and my face picture is checked as not available on profile, I'd blurrred my eyes out but I've become almost a little paranoid about checking it...


Another safety tip I read is to call a friend or partner in front of them at the beginning of the appointment, and say I'm with a client and they will hear from me in an hour etc. So the person knows to call me or the police if they don't hear from me by a certain time. And clients know someone is aware where I am etc. Will some clients get edgy about this and assume I have a pimp waiting around, or am not as independant as I claim. Or should I not care? I mean I obviously care way more about my safety but you get what I mean.

In regards to whether I can handle sucking the cock of someone I find gross, I just don't know. This is all knew to me. But I'm not an idiot, I don't think I'm gonna be hanging with a load of intelligent clean model like guys, I know I might do one client and think fuck this and never do it again, but I won't know until I try. I've given it all very serious thought and think I am tough enough and enough of a realist to go into it knowing it can be gritting and the dangers and promise myself to take the upmost care for my safety and mental health.

Once again, a big thank you for your help. X