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Legal advice
« on: 02 February 2021, 05:42:54 pm »
Hi there

So I'm currently employed in a day job in the tech industry. I've also been an escort on the DL for about 6 months and I'm enjoying it, but I'm now starting to think about dipping my toes into OnlyFans.

I'm out of the closet as a sex worker to pretty much all my friends, but obviously colleagues don't know. At present I'm telling all the OF boys that I'm gonna be filming with (after lockdown) that I can't show my face; but given that to most people in my life I'm pretty open about sex work, I'm thinking about relaxing the face requirement.

I enjoy my day job and don't want to give it up. I've had a few chats with people I know who are hiring managers in my industry and established that, in the worst case scenario (were my current employer to fire me for being a sex worker), I would probably still be able to find work as a software engineer.

So my next question is: what is the legal situation with my current employer (ie *can* my employer fire me for being a SW, given that nothing I'm doing is illegal), and for that, I'd like advice from an actual lawyer, which I'm willing to pay for. I have looked on the main website but at first glance I couldn't find anything related to my situation.

So I'm looking for the contact details of a solicitor or other source of professional legal advice that

  • Is comfortable with and understands sex work really well
  • Knows employment law

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Re: Legal advice
« Reply #1 on: 02 February 2021, 07:54:25 pm »
I'm not a lawyer (sorry) but I have a female friend who models for art nude, she's (sort of) semi popular internet model doing artistic nudes and lingerie (nothing really raunchy). Besides part time modelling she works in a care home taking care of older folks. Somehow her modelling was "discovered" (have no idea how) and she got fired. I ignore the legalities of her firing but she got fired because of her nude modelling. Now she's having trouble using any of her old managers as a reference because they might disclose her nude modelling occupation, she's already been turned down in a job because of it. Moral of the story is: if this happened to a nude model I don;t want to think what might happen to an escort. On the other hand we know some industries are more conservative than others so I don't know how conservative is your IT company but of you get found it will come out as a shock that for sure. I guess if your face is blurred in your escort website and you open a private onlyfans chanel you might get away with it. My friends artistic nudes were all over the internet and her face showing so didn't get away with it.  Keep in mind that if you get fired you will need your ex job as reference, so it's a risk you're taking.
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Re: Legal advice
« Reply #2 on: 02 February 2021, 08:23:58 pm »
Hi there

So I'm currently employed in a day job in the tech industry. I've also been an escort on the DL for about 6 months and I'm enjoying it, but I'm now starting to think about dipping my toes into OnlyFans.

I'm out of the closet as a sex worker to pretty much all my friends, but obviously colleagues don't know. At present I'm telling all the OF boys that I'm gonna be filming with (after lockdown) that I can't show my face; but given that to most people in my life I'm pretty open about sex work, I'm thinking about relaxing the face requirement.

I enjoy my day job and don't want to give it up. I've had a few chats with people I know who are hiring managers in my industry and established that, in the worst case scenario (were my current employer to fire me for being a sex worker), I would probably still be able to find work as a software engineer.

So my next question is: what is the legal situation with my current employer (ie *can* my employer fire me for being a SW, given that nothing I'm doing is illegal), and for that, I'd like advice from an actual lawyer, which I'm willing to pay for. I have looked on the main website but at first glance I couldn't find anything related to my situation.

So I'm looking for the contact details of a solicitor or other source of professional legal advice that

  • Is comfortable with and understands sex work really well
  • Knows employment law

I'm not a legal professional but I can give you my understanding from a manager's point of view, who was involved extensively in hiring and firing.

You have two scenarios here:
1. Your existing employer finds out you are in sex work.
What they can do depends on the terms and conditions of your employment contract. Many (probably most) employers have a catch-all term such as "any other action which may bring the company into disrepute". This allows them to dismiss someone who is caught doing something not necessarily illegal but what many perceive to be unethical or immoral. For example, caught on CCTV making a Nazi salute or spitting on the grave of a war hero.

If they don't have that phrase available, but they want you gone, they will attempt to manage you out. There are plenty of ways of doing this, most of them technically illegal but very hard to prove. Some organisations would try offering a golden handshake instead.

As a gay man, you might actually have more legal protection as you could take the position that you'd been treated more harshly than a straight female escort would have been. And most companies would probably agree to settle out of court. However it's important to remember that claims for unfair dismissal, constructive dismissal etc only happen AFTER you've been fired and left salary-less for however long (which can be years with complex cases.)

2. You leave (or are fired from) your current employer and you're trying to get another job.
In this case, I think it's unlikely that any employer would turn around and openly say "Yeah we're not hiring you because you used to be a hooker. Soz!" They would simply say that your references weren't good enough or that another candidate had the edge. If they found out, and if they gave a shit. It really depends on the individual hiring manager and the company, as well as the role. If it's a role where you'd be managing people and dealing with high-level managers/board members, and it was common knowledge, they might feel that your reputation would negatively impact your role. If however you were dealing with "things" (data, machines, networks) and your role didn't impact colleagues or customers directly, then they might well take the view "Well Alex may or may not know his way around a cock but he definitely knows his way around an RJ45 cable, and that's good enough for us!"

TL;DR: Bear in mind that just because the law is (or might be) on your side, that doesn't mean that people won't still find a way to fuck with your employment if they feel like it.
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Re: Legal advice
« Reply #3 on: 02 February 2021, 08:46:33 pm »
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I'm out of the closet as a sex worker to pretty much all my friends, but obviously colleagues don't know.

I'm not a lawyer so I can't comment on how legal it would be for a company to fire you for sex work or how likely they are to get away with it if they pretend to fire you for something else, but being out as a sex worker has other problems to consider too. I show my face and I'm not ashamed of my work, but that doesn't mean other people won't use it as a reason to not hire me, whether they admit it or not.

Being out to friends is nice, but being outed to colleagues or ex colleagues is not, and can't be undone. If you rely on your day job and want to continue it I would think carefully about showing your face. All it takes is one arsehole with a grudge, and unfortunately I speak from experience here.

I don't mean to be negative, because I don't regret being out as a sex worker and it has its benefits, but it's a big decision to make.

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Re: Legal advice
« Reply #4 on: 02 February 2021, 09:48:16 pm »
Hi dear,
It is better to keep your activities a 'secret' and separate from normal job. The issue is the reputation of the company, their values and the image they want to give or share. That is why it is not working,not they judge you but they have to respect the ethics of the company. I work too part time and always says am a cleaner in my spare time and nobody cares that way.
So don t risk your normal job,as life can take unexpected turns.

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Re: Legal advice
« Reply #5 on: 04 February 2021, 08:25:06 pm »
I would keep it private
« Last Edit: 20 September 2023, 01:06:20 am by RB1 »

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Re: Legal advice
« Reply #6 on: 04 February 2021, 08:37:57 pm »
Do not do Only Fans, or anything else with your face in it, the content will end up on all the porn tubes.

It will eventually get found out, and lots of people will know/talk/gossip,  you could find yourself unemployable or with very little work, remember we are about to enter a recession and you really dont want any issues finding work. 

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Plus most people outside of sexwork no matter how liberal they might be will find it hard to understand and will most likely judge you for it secretly while pretending how supportive and cool they are about it 
  This has been my experience.