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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Maz on 24 February 2020, 12:40:42 pm
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Hi ladies
A few weeks ago I had an enquiry from a potential client in Bournemouth asking me to come down for what would apparently be his last booking with an escort. The booking is for 10 hours and he has offered £1300 which I accepted.
He has just emailed me the following this morning...
"I'm really looking forward to meeting you next week. I hope you're keeping well.
I have given what I am going to ask you great thought and would be grateful if you would read my proposal. I realise fully the sensitivities around this but please hear me out.
I would like to dispense with the use of condoms when we meet. If you immediately reject the thought and decline to see me then that's totally my loss. I understand that might happen and have taken that in to account. But I'd simply be grateful if you would at least read what I have to say.
As you know I'm 68 and our meeting is to be my last on AW. I will explain when we meet but it is a definite decision I've made for what I believe are good reasons. For quite a while now I have had difficulty maintaining an erection in a condom. I lose sensation and all feeling and sex becomes a chore. There are of course other pleasures but for my last meeting I would like to be able to enjoy all of the pleasures of being with a beautiful woman.
I know I am clean. I have today received the results of a full STI/HIV screen and all are negative. I can show you the texts with the 'clear' results. I have not had unprotected sex for years. I'm a pharmacologist by training and fully understand the potential risks involved and I am certain that I pose no risk to you. I wouldn't dream of asking this if I were not.
If you will agree I will happily pay you a further £500 on top of the £1300 already agreed. As I say, I want my last meeting to be memorable and the cost is immaterial. You have my sincere word that no other person will ever know of such an arrangement between us if you decide to agree.
If I have offended you or put you off completely then I can only apologise. Such a request has been very carefully considered and is definitely not my normal practice. I simply would like to enjoy fully one last meeting.
If you chose not to respond I will understand and wish you well. However I shall live in hope that you might agree."
What do people think? I guess it is my decision in the end but some advice/thoughts would be helpful please
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The money is tempting, but i personally just couldn’t do it.
I think even if I absolutely knew he was 100% clean, there’s still something about no condom, his bare skin in me, that would mess with my head. I just couldn’t.
That, for me, happens with a partner who I love - as much as I’m a working girl, that’s just too close for comfort!
That’s just me though :)
Good luck with your decision x
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No
I would cancel his booking on this basis.
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Thanks for the responses.
I am feeling unsure myself - although he might be clean there is something about doing this with a client that isn't right.
I can see that he has used other escorts looking at his feedback, but I wonder whether he actually does manage to keep an erection with them and this is just a ruse to give bareback a go.
xx
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Money might be tempting but it would be a no from me. Apart from the obvious health risks,the whole skin on skin would just be too much for me, like others have mentioned
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I would not do it no matter how tempting the offer might be. Also the recent results he claims to have might be altered.
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I would assume he was barebacking everyone, that you aren't the first, won't be the last, and cancel his booking.
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I get these too, all well written. I think you're right.
I think this may also be hoax spam for his wank bank. You never met him, so no previous. On top of that it's an extended booking and he's wiggling extra juicy bait in front of your nose. He happens to be in the medical field too, that's convenient. Classic set up. Plus there are professional BB providers for less ££ or free on AW so why you? I don't believe any of his script, who he is or anything about tests...he's sipping mojitos on fantasy island.
All the tests show is X was clear for the past 1-3 weeks before they got tested. As some STDS have a 1-3 week incubation period.
Tests won't show that a person is incubating an infection caught the night before they rolled up at the clinic for example.
If he BB with folk straight after the test and they have HIV, hepatitis, clam, syph, gono or herpes that will not be a nice goodby present for you. Unless you're on anti HIV meds,which doesn't prevent the other infections. If you look around AW you'll see the similarity to other proposals. Personally I'd ignore.
It's you're choice, it smells of con, despite his positive FB, which is often purposely misleading or favour swapping.
Nothing stops you investigating how genuine he is...fuck with his head and request a deposit of £500 today ;)
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A massive no from me too. As others ask, why offer so much money when he can pick and choose a much cheaper barebacker as there is plenty of choice out there.
Clear test results mean nothing unless the person has been under house arrest since his last sex encounter and not been near a woman. So many people do not realise this and him saying he is clean means zilch.
The "it will be my last ever meeting on AW" means F all too. Sorry but he is trying to make you feel special and in a way privileged by being the last woman he books. Absolute rubbish.
AVOID /BLOCK / IGNORE
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I would not be interested in doing it i doubt very much this will be his last booking ever, he probably has done bareback before. He might be serious or he might be getting off on leading you on to say yes.
He might even have clean STD results but still it would not tempt me not because the risks because OWO you can catch a lot of STD's and in some ways i find putting a bare cock in my mouth especially with dribbly pre cum even more personal you can feel and taste it all.
Up to you if you want to but i would not believe what a punter says anyway i would just tell him no. He probably has messaged a few with that long email seeing which ones go for it.
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I know I am clean. I have today received the results of a full STI/HIV screen and all are negative. I can show you the texts with the 'clear' results. I have not had unprotected sex for years. I'm a pharmacologist by training and fully understand the potential risks involved and I am certain that I pose no risk to you. I wouldn't dream of asking this if I were not.
If you will agree I will happily pay you a further £500 on top of the £1300 already agreed. As I say, I want my last meeting to be memorable and the cost is immaterial. You have my sincere word that no other person will ever know of such an arrangement between us if you decide to agree.
BB is a very personal decision.
Here's why I wouldn't do it:
-I wouldn't trust the HIV/STD test results of a stranger. Not even from a qualified pharmacologist. If he is so comfortable asking for BB, I would wonder how many other BB bookings he's had. He could be infected since the last test results.
-£500 for BB? Is this the market price for BB in the UK now? That's a paltry amount considering the risks you are taking. I would rather see 5 clients at £100 each not asking for BB than 1 client offering me £500 for BB.
-He is already offering you £1300 for a 10 hour booking without BB.
-He is a boundary pusher, BB is not listed on your enjoys list of services.
I would not see this client unless he agrees with his initial offer of £1300 without BB. You have to be so careful that he doesn't try to remove his condom during the booking. I would be extremely careful going forward with this booking.
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Personally I wouldn't because even if he were std free I would still not like the skin to skin thing as I would feel like I was cheating on the man I love (as if I don't already feel bad enough).
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BB is a very personal decision.
Here's why I wouldn't do it:
-I wouldn't trust the HIV/STD test results of a stranger. Not even from a qualified pharmacologist. If he is so comfortable asking for BB, I would wonder how many other BB bookings he's had. He could be infected since the last test results.
-£500 for BB? Is this the market price for BB in the UK now? That's a paltry amount considering the risks you are taking. I would rather see 5 clients at £100 each not asking for BB than 1 client offering me £500 for BB.
-He is already offering you £1300 for a 10 hour booking without BB.
-He is a boundary pusher, BB is not listed on your enjoys list of services.
I would not see this client unless he agrees with his initial offer of £1300 without BB. You have to be so careful that he doesn't try to remove his condom during the booking. I would be extremely careful going forward with this booking.
To me he's just too high risk he's seeking bareback doesn't matter whether he's HIV negative, he's putting you and your other sexual partners and probably peace of mind at risk.
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Thanks everyone
I've told him know. As tempting as it was I didn't feel good about it and my profile says I don't do it.
When he first messaged me I doubted the whole thing about being his last escort. Something in the back of my mind thought it seemed too good an offer.
Xx
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I think he's just a fantasising timewaster end of ::)
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Why can’t they just be REALLY honest and say “I want BB because it feels better, I can stay hard in a condom buts it’s mind over matter you see”, not that you would do it anyway but I think honesty counts for so much and it would make a change :)
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If this was a regular I could sort of understand it. As you've never even met him before it screams timewaster/shyster to me.
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Copy + paste story he's sending to many escorts. Someone is having a little too much time in his hands here.Text book timewaster.
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I wonder if he says it to everyone. I don't think I would be comfortable doing it. He probably says that as a way to get out of the booking knowing fine we'll be wasn't going to pay £1300
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Copy + paste story he's sending to many escorts. Someone is having a little too much time in his hands here.Text book timewaster.
The story does ring a bell in my memory.
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No, you can easily make that amount doing a couple of bookings involving safe sex.
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The only way I'd AGREE to it is to go with him to a clinic, have a 24 rush done on every single STI there is, spend that 24 hours with him, get the (assumingly) clear results, then, ok. Naturally he's paying for your time.
Even then....yeah. Incubation & all that jazz. Ok, forget I wrote all that lol.
It's all awfully convenient, no? Plus it's icky🤢. It does seem like he's ✅allllll the boxes 1 would need to feel comfortable, which in itself is a red flag ⛳️, yes?
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It does sound tempting but I personally couldn’t - it’s still not worth the risk.
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Sounds to me like he's reeled you in with a normal genuine booking, gained a bit of your trust and is now trying to take advantage of this with his little "speil". He's clearly learnt asking for BB from the get go usually leaves his messages ignored! As others have said, if he wants BB there are providers out their who do offer this at a much cheaper price, I can only assume he gets off on trying his chances with the girls who don't offer it. Power games. I do not believe for one minute you will be the last service provider he visits nor the only one he has tried this with. I'd be interested to see he still goes ahead with the booking now you've turned down his BB proposal.
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Text book fantasist. Has clearly found messaging straight up, asking for bb doesn’t work, so gets the ol copy and paste with a hint of grooming happening.
I’ve heard them all (although entertaining when new ones come through).
It’s my birthday, my wife died, allergic to condoms, too big for condoms, too small for condoms, impotent so therefore safe, virgin....blah blah blah.
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He also probably thought I had paid my expenses by now for travel to get down there.
Thankfully I hadn't as my friend was driving me down! If he was really that keen to see me, the bareback thing shouldn't have been that much of an issue.
xx
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Did he message you back after you told him no?
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Yes - I mentioned how I had no proof that he hasn't done bb before and that I state that I don't do it on my profile.
Then he sent me a polite reply about how he hasn't done bb in years but understands that he can't prove that, he also just told me to take care and what a lovely person I was. LOL - what a load of nonsense.
I am not disappointed that it isn't going ahead. It's true he was just a manipulative boundary pusher. There will be other bookings and I will be more cautious of these kind of offers in future.
xx
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No
I would cancel his booking on this basis.
Me too. Aside from the fact that he could have been shagging a thousand people without a condom since he got those test results (hence they are useless), you only have his word for anything that he says. He just sounds like a common all garden boundary pusher and also how do you know he isn't going to write a report or a post somewhere telling the world you allow bareback if you make an exception for him?
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Yes - I mentioned how I had no proof that he hasn't done bb before and that I state that I don't do it on my profile.
Then he sent me a polite reply about how he hasn't done bb in years but understands that he can't prove that, he also just told me to take care and what a lovely person I was. LOL - what a load of nonsense.
I am not disappointed that it isn't going ahead. It's true he was just a manipulative boundary pusher. There will be other bookings and I will be more cautious of these kind of offers in future.
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He is a timewasting prick he tried to bring you in accepting 1300 then when you did he tried to manipulate for a bareback booking which if is true he is a shady scum bag and if just a fantasy then a sad pathetic idiot and truth is could be either as we all know how some like to do fake bookings to lead us on and they have no intention of going ahead.
He wasted your time with ulterior motives if it was me up to though i would post a warning outlining his methods for trying to get you do agree to bareback when he knows you do not offer it. He tried to get you hooked on the £1300.
This is the type of client i would like to avoid and i do not believe he is never doing this again. Wonder how many have got emails from him. I know i have had several over last couple of years a bit similar to this with the sob story to convince you to say yes they usually send to many escorts hoping 1 in 10 will say yes.
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Me too. Aside from the fact that he could have been shagging a thousand people without a condom since he got those test results (hence they are useless), you only have his word for anything that he says. He just sounds like a common all garden boundary pusher and also how do you know he isn't going to write a report or a post somewhere telling the world you allow bareback if you make an exception for him?
That's what I thought. He could easily say I will do it for the right price.
Interestingly he doesn't come up when I search for him on here. His nickname was Meliman. Sadly I deleted his booking so have no contact details to add.
xx
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The situation now days with bareback is i really do not believe that many men would even pay over the odds for it anyway. There is a lot on AW that offer this sometimes for no extra or just an extra 20 or 30 on top.
I have heard more and more escorts especially with regs are offering bareback to there faves and i do not always believe it is just clients saying it to get it, i think it goes on a lot and know i have heard the same names being mentioned you know how some clients cannot help themselves with gossip.
Nothing surprises me with this industry they push and push to get more off you and some will do it. OWO CIM has become the norm unprotected sex probably will become more common at some stage as crazy as it sounds.
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That's what I thought. He could easily say I will do it for the right price.
Interestingly he doesn't come up when I search for him on here. His nickname was Meliman. Sadly I deleted his booking so have no contact details to add.
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This may not be relevant as I don't know the time line.
I'd hesitate to delete the booking till the review deadline closes in case he gives a fake review or says you give amazing BB or offered BB. You've lost your right to reply.Some randoms are malicious that way.
Seen it a few times on AW.
I did an accurate feedback on a nutjob rejected guy and he accused the next lady of offering BB to tempt him to the booking. She used her right to reply. He'd done multiple no shows and a shit review for each girl he'd messed.
I don't think she read my warning that he was a sick bunny.
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So gross. Don't ever take it it's honestly not worth it.
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I get these too, all well written. I think you're right.
I think this may also be hoax spam for his wank bank. You never met him, so no previous. On top of that it's an extended booking and he's wiggling extra juicy bait in front of your nose. He happens to be in the medical field too, that's convenient. Classic set up. Plus there are professional BB providers for less ££ or free on AW so why you? I don't believe any of his script, who he is or anything about tests...he's sipping mojitos on fantasy island.
All the tests show is X was clear for the past 1-3 weeks before they got tested. As some STDS have a 1-3 week incubation period.
Tests won't show that a person is incubating an infection caught the night before they rolled up at the clinic for example.
If he BB with folk straight after the test and they have HIV, hepatitis, clam, syph, gono or herpes that will not be a nice goodby present for you. Unless you're on anti HIV meds,which doesn't prevent the other infections. If you look around AW you'll see the similarity to other proposals. Personally I'd ignore.
It's you're choice, it smells of con, despite his positive FB, which is often purposely misleading or favour swapping.
Nothing stops you investigating how genuine he is...fuck with his head and request a deposit of £500 today ;)
Agree, In fact I had this as a message on AW.. its either a scam or a serial UTC barebacker.
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I think he's just a fantasising timewaster end of ::)
I find that anyone offering that much money is usually a timewaster. Usually the serious ones come for an hour or two and end up paying you more while they're there. In any case the long winded message is a huge red flag.
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