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Birken672

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Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« on: 01 October 2021, 01:38:23 pm »

Over the years one particular client has accumulated hundreds of pictures of me, taken with my consent at the time, but I'm no longer comfortable with him having them. I was in an abusive situation at the time and not doing bookings of my own free will.

I moved away from escorting but continued to see one person who I felt was kind, once in a blue moon, so I had a bit of extra money on top of my civvie job. I now want to finish up completely and not see anybody ever again.

He knows my personal information (because I was outed on AW by another ex client) and I'm wary of being outed again.

Where do I stand with regards to all of these pictures he has of me? If I ask him to delete them does that have any legal standing?
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #1 on: 01 October 2021, 10:05:00 pm »
The first thing to do is ask him, and get his response.

If he refuses, you would have legal recourse, but it would take money. If he published them online though, you could be protected under the revenge porn law.
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #2 on: 01 October 2021, 10:32:43 pm »
The photographer automatically owns the images and the copyright.
Negotiation is another matter, depends on the attitude of the parties.
« Last Edit: 02 October 2021, 02:12:31 am by saltysweet »
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #3 on: 02 October 2021, 01:39:58 pm »
Quote from: VoluptuousCurves on 01 October 2021, 10:05:00 pm
The first thing to do is ask him, and get his response.

If he refuses, you would have legal recourse, but it would take money. If he published them online though, you could be protected under the revenge porn law.

Revenge porn law is valid on pictures taken during private sexual personal relationships but not on transactional ones. If he can proof she charged him for taking pictures during a commercial relationship legally she has no leg to stand on. She is dependent on the guy being nice, it's up to him to delete them or not. Can he keep them? legally yes. Can he publish them? legally yes. Will he do it? If he's a nice guy no, if he gets all pissy and vindictive because she dumped him maybe.
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #4 on: 02 October 2021, 04:50:06 pm »
Quote from: ana30 on 02 October 2021, 01:39:58 pm
Revenge porn law is valid on pictures taken during private sexual personal relationships but not on transactional ones. If he can proof she charged him for taking pictures during a commercial relationship legally she has no leg to stand on.

Can you back that up with some statute, please? I can't find any part of the law that makes intentionally causing somebody harm or distress by publishing or distributing sexually explicit photos of them which were intended to be kept private legal, regardless of how they were obtained?
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #5 on: 02 October 2021, 06:05:36 pm »
Quote from: amy on 02 October 2021, 04:50:06 pm
Can you back that up with some statute, please? I can't find any part of the law that makes intentionally causing somebody harm or distress by publishing or distributing sexually explicit photos of them which were intended to be kept private legal, regardless of how they were obtained?

Sorry I didn't word that properly Amy, what I was trying to say is that if she consented to have those pictures taken in exchange of money -as part of a commercial transaction- (the guy paid for sex services and modelling was PART of those services) then she has a lost cause, if commercial modelling was NOT part of the agreement and he just took some pictures for "jollies" then that's another story and it can be considered revenge porn. Of course he needs some form of evidence (emails?) were she's agreeing to model in exchange of money. I do quite some modelling/photography myself and i'm familiar with the legalities sorrounding it.
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #6 on: 02 October 2021, 06:18:22 pm »
Quote from: amy on 02 October 2021, 04:50:06 pm
Can you back that up with some statute, please? I can't find any part of the law that makes intentionally causing somebody harm or distress by publishing or distributing sexually explicit photos of them which were intended to be kept private legal, regardless of how they were obtained?
I agree. What creates a crime is intent to cause of distress of the photographed person.  There are exemptions for using photos for crime prevention, if the photo has previously been disclosed for reward with consent, and taken in the course of publishing journalistic material...

See https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/2/section/33/enacted
How the courts see things is what really matters, but that is what the statue says
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #7 on: 04 October 2021, 12:21:47 pm »
Hi Birken,

I'm so sorry to hear of your abusive situation and that you had to do bookings that were not of your own free will. That is so sad and I am so sorry you had to go through that.

As others have suggested you could try and ask him if he could please now delete the pictures? You say he seemed sometimes to be kind, so he may accept your request and just comply possibly. If you feel OK about being this open, you could also tell him that you were coerced/ in an abusive situation at that time and hope that this would cause him enough remorse/guilt to do as you ask. However if you do this you would have to be prepared for him to say no, which of course would feel very traumatic for you. Also that he could say yes to deleting the pics ... but you would never really know if he had x

Ultimately, and I know this will be controversial and difficult, but I think you might have to work on acceptance of the situation, self compassion, and the completely compelling and understandable reasons why you allowed him to take pictures at that time. Because if he doesn't want to, forcing him through legal channels is likely to be a near impossible task.

Remember having those pictures in existence does not make you wrong or bad. It sounds like you have a new life now and are doing well. If the client won't delete the pictures might you consider counselling to move forward, and to try placing your focus on your new bright future rather than the past? Easier said than done I know x
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #8 on: 13 October 2021, 05:40:36 pm »
How did it go Birken ?
« Last Edit: 13 October 2021, 09:21:00 pm by saltysweet »
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #9 on: 14 October 2021, 01:14:56 am »
Quote from: ana30 on 02 October 2021, 06:05:36 pm
Sorry I didn't word that properly Amy, what I was trying to say is that if she consented to have those pictures taken in exchange of money -as part of a commercial transaction- (the guy paid for sex services and modelling was PART of those services) then she has a lost cause, if commercial modelling was NOT part of the agreement and he just took some pictures for "jollies" then that's another story and it can be considered revenge porn. Of course he needs some form of evidence (emails?) were she's agreeing to model in exchange of money. I do quite some modelling/photography myself and i'm familiar with the legalities sorrounding it.

I didn't think that this was the case; on my profile it states that any pictures or videos must be for their personal use only and not shared online etc. I also restate this to them at the start of the meeting. Therefore I always assumed that if anything was shared online/redistributed etc then I could go to the police and report it as revenge porn. Surely paying for a service doesn't give them the right to flout the terms the service was sold under?
Also I'm fairly sure that models and porn stars have to sign a release form which gives the company ownership of the content and control of where it appears, so there must be some sort of law against posting against your wishes otherwise agencies wouldn't use release forms.
However I'm not certain on any of this I just assumed that this was the case. Hope I'm right as I wouldn't have agreed to certain bookings otherwise!
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #10 on: 14 October 2021, 01:31:35 pm »
I agree with BJC

I don't think it can be said with certainty whether or not Birken has a leg to stand on from a legal point of view. Even with written consent over text or email, this consent could just as easily been withdrawn in person during the booking and as there is no trace of payment there is no proof even that he paid her what was due in the booking. I think in order to get accurate advise it would be worth booking a short consultation with a lawyer. But I would like to give a dissenting view to some on here as I believe she could very likely be protected by revenge porn Law.

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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #11 on: 14 October 2021, 04:40:36 pm »
Quote from: yeahyeahyeah123 on 14 October 2021, 01:31:35 pm
I agree with BJC

I don't think it can be said with certainty whether or not Birken has a leg to stand on from a legal point of view. Even with written consent over text or email, this consent could just as easily been withdrawn in person during the booking and as there is no trace of payment there is no proof even that he paid her what was due in the booking. I think in order to get accurate advise it would be worth booking a short consultation with a lawyer. But I would like to give a dissenting view to some on here as I believe she could very likely be protected by revenge porn Law.

I kind of agree with you guys, despite being familiar with modelling/photography laws/model releases I'm not sure either if her case would be classed as revenge porn or not. A lawyer would be needed to clarify this. However... there's a major twist here, and that is she was being forced to work at the time by a pimp (she wrote that in her original post). Now that's a major crime if she ever decided to go to the police and file a report, watch the shit hit the fan because those pictures would have been taken under duress and this client would be complicit in the above crime scenario. If I were her I would email the client and let him know that she was being forced into prostitution at that time the pictures were taken and she plans to go to the police. Watch how fast those pictures dissapear from the guys hard drive never to re-appear again.
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #12 on: 14 October 2021, 05:16:45 pm »
Quote from: ana30 on 14 October 2021, 04:40:36 pm
I kind of agree with you guys, despite being familiar with modelling/photography laws/model releases I'm not sure either if her case would be classed as revenge porn or not. A lawyer would be needed to clarify this. However... there's a major twist here, and that is she was being forced to work at the time by a pimp (she wrote that in her original post). Now that's a major crime if she ever decided to go to the police and file a report, watch the shit hit the fan because those pictures would have been taken under duress and this client would be complicit in the above crime scenario. If I were her I would email the client and let him know that she was being forced into prostitution at that time the pictures were taken and she plans to go to the police. Watch how fast those pictures dissapear from the guys hard drive never to re-appear again.

Yes this seems like really great advice!
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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #13 on: 06 December 2021, 12:26:37 am »

Thank you for the replies and advice.

It's a difficult one isn't it. I've done some research and still can't be sure where I stand with the pictures in terms of legality.

There was no discussion about what he would do with the pictures, I just gave consent for him to take some. From what I know he collects pictures of many girls.

I haven't had the conversation with him yet. I was going to book a consultation with a solicitor before I did, but I bottled it.

He does know I was being forced into prostitution. I was only 18 at the time of meeting, very naive and an over sharer once I felt he was somebody that could be trusted.

 I told him about the abusive boyfriend and then later on I confided that I started the sex work under duress, though that shouldn't have seemed like 'news' to him as most people would have connected the dots once they knew about the boyfriend.

He wasn't put off by any of it and still wanted to continue seeing me so I don't think he would feel any particular guilt about keeping the pictures.

Very good idea about me saying I've decided to report my abuser pumping me out. If anything will prompt him to delete all traces then I think it'll be that.

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Re: Client has pictures of me that I no longer want him having
« Reply #14 on: 06 December 2021, 10:44:46 am »
And here is where he was breaking the law, although strictly speaking him knowing doesn't actually make any difference.

Quote from: Birken672 on 06 December 2021, 12:26:37 am
He does know I was being forced into prostitution. I was only 18 at the time of meeting, very naive and an over sharer once I felt he was somebody that could be trusted.

 I told him about the abusive boyfriend and then later on I confided that I started the sex work under duress, though that shouldn't have seemed like 'news' to him as most people would have connected the dots once they knew about the boyfriend.

He wasn't put off by any of it and still wanted to continue seeing me so I don't think he would feel any particular guilt about keeping the pictures.

Section 14 of the Policing and Crime Act 2009 makes paying for sex with a prostitute when a third person has used 'exploitative conduct' (including force and threats but also any other form of coercion) to ensure the prostitute provides the sexual services a strict liability offence, which means any punter you saw at the time was also guilty. Nail the disgusting cunt (and the 'boyfriend' too) :)
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