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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: ParisB on 07 March 2017, 10:38:43 am
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Just picking some of your brains on this as its been bugging me
My friend and I are trying to work out why she gets so many no show / TW Ive never known anything like it
Example were in the same area recently . I do 7 bookings not a single no show get around 30 odd calls
She gets 2 bookings & gets around 80 plus calls ,
Next day her phone is crazy busy as soon as one call ends as it rings again
she ended up taking her number off because the phone was that busy but those that she had spoke to earlier all called back / turnt up and she had a very good day
She has a great profile good, pictures prices reviews & feedback
We were discussing this and one client has said to her its because she looks like the ultimate milf ( think, stifflers mum from American pie the actress Jennifer Coolidge ) my friend has a very similar look about her and she really is very sexy looking and ive always thought that about her that she had this look about her that screams sex if you know what I mean
a lot of her no shows she thinks are young guys but she dosent want to rule out under 30s as the ones she sees are fine but a lot of them do mess her about
She's tried screening the way I do it and that didn't work and she got no bookings and the way I screen practically guarantees me no TW / NS
She dosent advertise as a milf or nothing like that but she is in that age bracket of 45 on AW
Do you think thats the case that being in that age bracket on AW attracts the young guys that want a milf /, older woman
Anyone found a way to stop this particular age group messing her about without banning under 30s
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I didn't start whoring till I was around 53.
I've got to admit I much preferred the younger guys because I didn't get any hassle from them. Maybe it was the Mrs Robinson thing, I don't know, I never asked. Old wrinkles just didn't appeal to me though I do read the younger ones saying they prefer the older guys because they are more respectful, I never found this to be the case. By old wrinkles I mean over 50's. I did see the occasional one as it would have been business suicide to refuse.
I think we all use a booking system that suits us but we can never really predict 100% if it is the best and you have clearly stated that your system didn't work for her. I don't believe there is any one system that would work for us all as we are all individuals as are SS's.
Perhaps your friend has a great written profile but falls at the hurdle of when they call. The only way you would know this is if you sat with her while she is taking the calls but this would IMO put pressure on her with self consciousness. So no one would be the winner.
It's all a learning curve.
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I'm 49, and while not a MILF I don't have a younger age limit so long as they're 18, and I honestly don't think younger men mess me around any more than those over 30. If I had to pick something, I'd say perhaps they struggle a little more with the idea of a firm appointment time and my confirmation requests in some cases, but most I've seen have been lovely.
Conversely, I don't see anyone over 60, yet I've found that the 55+ group can sometimes struggle with things like technology, discretion and condoms.
It's horses for courses, really.
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I didn't start whoring till I was around 53.
I've got to admit I much preferred the younger guys because I didn't get any hassle from them. Maybe it was the Mrs Robinson thing, I don't know, I never asked. Old wrinkles just didn't appeal to me though I do read the younger ones saying they prefer the older guys because they are more respectful, I never found this to be the case. By old wrinkles I mean over 50's. I did see the occasional one as it would have been business suicide to refuse.
I think we all use a booking system that suits us but we can never really predict 100% if it is the best and you have clearly stated that your system didn't work for her. I don't believe there is any one system that would work for us all as we are all individuals as are SS's.
Perhaps your friend has a great written profile but falls at the hurdle of when they call. The only way you would know this is if you sat with her while she is taking the calls but this would IMO put pressure on her with self consciousness. So no one would be the winner.
It's all a learning curve.
I'm really curious LL - how was your overall experience of the industry starting late in life and being older? I've been thinking lately of how long it's possible to work and I'd be interested to hear how you found things.
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I personally won't see under 25's and yes I do think if you are 35+ it attracts more young blokes with a milf fantasy.Does she get them to confirm via text say an hour before or something like that?I get far less no shows that way.
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Im 42 and advertise as a milf and the majority of my webcam shows are from young guys but for escort bookings i dont see anyone under 28 because i dont want someone with loads of stamina pounding away at me for 59 mins of a 60 min appointment lol!
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I'm over 40 and had quite a few younger clients, who I find are no more nor less likely to be problematic if I apply the same screening rules as I would do anyone else. It's when I don't and give someone of any age leeway that I do have issues.
I also recieve a lot of bookings from men in their 50s,60s and 70s many more than younger men.
Unless she has some way of working out the age, and I find voice isn't always an indicator, I wouldn't assume these are younger men with older women fantasies.
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I am 47 and I have a lower age limit of 30 I didn't when i first started but i found that a lot of the younger men were tw's and ns's so i put the age restriction on and i have had a lot less problems.
I do fine the easiest in terms of reliability are those in their 40's and 50's but that might just be because they tend to try to book at short notice when they are in the area for business
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I'm in my early 40's- started at 34 so a bit young for the Mrs Robinson/MILF fans but I haven't noticed it increasing with age, maybe it will, but I hope not because my experience with young men (under 25's) tends to be a bit negative- of course I have had a few great young men but many that either mess me about or are a bit of a pain in the bedroom- the sort that want to change position every 3 seconds and treat you as if you are in a porn.
I don't have an age limit either way but screen each person individually and have a confirmation system that tends to wheedle out the no shows.
Why your friend gets so many timewasters? Well, maybe she just doesn't have a good judgement of those who aren't serious, though it seems odd if you have coached her and tried using your routine of screening. I'm sure you've advised her of classic no show lines and behaviours.
Maybe there is something about her profile that screams MILF or that she looks overly sexual? What about relooking at her photos and text to make her seem more classy (sorry this sounds rude, but I can't think how else to put it) and less 'easy' and perfect wank fodder for idiots rather than those making a serious booking.
Even if you don't think the above is the case maybe it's worth her rewriting or getting new pictures- or if it comes to it and she can get away with it lower her age?
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I don't have an age limit for guys but I would say that it seems to be younger guys who are more likely to no show. I'm currently in an area where there are a lot of students and I had 6 not turn up yesterday (out of 8 bookings!) This is the second time I've toured here and I experienced similar last time.
Yesterday I had a call from a guy who asked where I was. I told him the hotel and asked if he knew where it was, he said no but he would find it and could he book for 2pm. He sounded dopey as fuck. So I said Why don't you look it up on Google maps and see if you can get here easily, and call me back if you want to make a definite booking.
5 minutes later he called back again. I gave my standard greeting, he then went into the exact same speech as the first time, asking me what hotel I was at. I said "We've just had this conversation 5 minutes ago, why are you calling back if you haven't looked it up?" "Erm.... ugh.... Erm... What hotel you at?"
So not only was he ringing multiple sex workers, clearly, with the intention of making multiple bookings then deciding which one to go to, he couldn't even keep track of who he'd already phoned! Dick. :FF
Paris when your friend takes the bookings, does she have an instinct about who's going to turn up and who isn't? I have found my instinct on this is getting much clearer and if I have some doubts I'll now make them jump through an extra hoop, e.g. I'll say sorry there's someone at the door, can you ring me back in 5 mins to confirm your booking?
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I don't like younger clients (under 27 I would say) because they mess around a lot.
I screen over the phone and when I hear a very young voice I just ask them their age. If they confirm they are very young I will ask a couple more questions. But if I get any feeling about them lying already about age I just don't expect them to show. I would say maybe 40% of young clients make it to my door. I had a few young guys book me, they would not even ask for my address while telling me they will be there in 30 minutes. That's block on my phone.
I find they are slightly disorganised and careless. I had a few not confirm (not even reply to my reminder text) and then show up: they were at gym, out with friends, didn't check the phone or just forgot they had to confirm. When they are flexible with their own time they somehow think you are just as flexible with yours and you can just do "any time". It's just different in their heads.
I have no problem seeing a 22 year old calling me, asking if I can do such or such hour after they finish work. As long as I get a feel of them understanding the notion of "commitment" to an appointment, I'm happy to book it.
When a 30yo calls me saying he's got a day off and how about maybe 2pm or maybe 3pm I just say "sure, do what you need to do first and call me around 1pm". They never do.
For me it's more about attitude and maturity. Someone who doesn't value / respect their own time most certainly won't value mine.
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I'm really curious LL - how was your overall experience of the industry starting late in life and being older? I've been thinking lately of how long it's possible to work and I'd be interested to hear how you found things.
I worked up till I was 61/62 and found it easy to work and I also found it easy to stop too. I still offer phonechat and directIM from time to time. It's just a little top up each month for the bank balance.
Starting later in life was made a whole lot easier by the fact that I had gone through the menopause so didn't have to contend with periods and the effects it can have on our bodies.
I was also a whole lot wiser at that age than I would have been had I started younger. I didn't stand for any nonsense and the guys knew it. They got no more than ONE chance.
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I'm 47 and I'll take bookings from anyone over 18. It's true that younger guys mess me around more. They are more likely not to show, and those that do turn up often want to get down to it straight away, not that that's always a bad thing. Given a choice I'd prefer to see only more mature clients, maybe guys over 30 or 35, but I don't feel ready to cut down my client base just yet.
I try to weed out the timewasters on the phone. Some younger guys definitely have a thing for older women, and you learn how to tell. Maybe they're in love with their mothers or something.
I have been booked a few times by fathers wanting me to introduce their sons to sex. It's usually because the poor lad isn't that attractive or he's painfully awkward around girls. One lad was so nervous he couldn't get his end up whatever I tried. He practically ran out the door and I felt I had to give his dad a refund. I'm all heart, me :)
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Thanks for all of your replys
My friend is experienced. Been working for several years In the UK and abroad in Dubai and other countries so not new to this at all.
She has nothing on her profile about her being a MILf. No Xxx style photos Nothing that would warrant the amount of TW she gets .
Her photos are very nice , but in a sexy way if that makes sense not titts & ass photos
No wording on her profile like cum & F... My Ass blah blah nothing like that at all just pretty straight forward.
He photos are very sensual but to put it into context she has had the same pictures for 2 years
It's just in the last six months to a year it's been like this for her
Don't get me wrong she had a cracking day on the Sunday but she ended up taking her number of cos the phone was that busy but everyone that had called earlier called her again to book and turnt up .
But she dose t want to work just by email as she is here touring from abroad .
It was one of those guys that said to her it's because she looks like the ultimate milf and mentioned the actress from American Pie and she really does look like the ultimate milf that she is getting so many tw / no shows so it got us both thinking & wondering what she could do to try and stop this
She has tried the call back in 5 mins thing before ironically in the same location and got no bookings
At all
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I think it would be worth switching her profile photos around so the current main photo is different. And just see if anything changes.
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Being what is classed as a milf certainly has it's advantages. I am early fifties and see all age groups of men and find my average client will be approx. 40-50 in age. The much younger guys who love a milf type are ok and I welcome them but once in a while I have a disappointment which I put down to their immaturity.
Couple of months ago I had a booking with a man (boy?) who said he was 22 and that is all he looked. It went fine and he was so polite and quiet, I had no reason to think he would be anything else if he saw me again. Days later he texted me very late at night when I don't take bookings, he was spouting gibberish and obviously been drinking. I just can not be bothered with this kind of thing and told him not to contact me again. He has since sent several messages talking about coming to do me again etc and will I tell him what to expect. He is now on ignore but it hasn't put me off the young men as I quite enjoy them mostly!
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I think it's swings and roundabouts really.
Young guys have no trouble getting hard and cumming fairly easily, can often go twice (or more) in a booking
Older guys can have difficulty getting and staying hard, and may take a lot of work to cum, and then that's it.
But..
Young guys often have no clue about how to get you off (or any desire to) and sometimes want to emulate some ridiculous shit they've seen in porn
Older guys can be much more skilled giving oral and more realistic about how long it will take to get you off.
Today I've had 4 bookings and it's been 3 older guys and one younger. They've all been polite and punctual.