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Re: I'll Get Me Coat
« Reply #15 on: 24 April 2019, 06:26:10 pm »
I thought so too - in which case I should have done well on tour when I was the fresh face in those areas yet in 14 months I've done Leeds twice (10 months apart) and Birmingham 4 times (inc 3 and 8 months apart).


If you were not using local escort search in Leeds and Birmingham your profile can just get swallowed up there are 11 pages of escorts working in Leeds. If you pay to be on page one (local escort search) than you will automatically be more visible to clients.

This may explain why you were not busy

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« Reply #16 on: 24 April 2019, 07:31:53 pm »
I thought so too - in which case I should have done well on tour when I was the fresh face in those areas yet in 14 months I've done Leeds twice (10 months apart) and Birmingham 4 times (inc 3 and 8 months apart).


Thanks for the offer a profile review. I'm tempted.

Birmingham Leeds’s Leicester often come up on the worse places to tour regardless if your  new fresh meat  or not
If you aren’t doing Local Escort Search then you will get less work as lots of guys search under local
Escort
If your niche is domination fetish stuff you need to do alternative section on AW  as well
So if I was touring birmingham I would do
Local Escort search for Birmingham
Alternative
Available today
Phone number showing
That cost approximently 10 a day
Then in the drop down box where you can write the areas I would put
Birmingham Hagley Rd ( if your out that way)

But I would be trying to work out why I have very few returning clients
I’ve worked in my hone town for 15 years plus and 80 percent of my clients I’ve seen before
Probably the same when I tour as well

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« Reply #17 on: 25 April 2019, 08:56:06 am »
I agree with what others have said about marketing - it's essential, you do really have to work at it, it's an over saturated market. So yes, do get a website, keep it up to date and blog. The majority of my website hits come from google rather than via advertising sites.

Regulars are good, but don't worry if you aren't getting repeat business , plenty of men do this very occasionally, when they are briefly in an area or they see a woman once and move on (kid in sweet shop syndrome).  Also, regulars might actually be regualrs in the sense they only visit once or twice a year. I found after a few years working I was seeing chaps who only see me (or any escort maybe) once or twice a year as a treat. Also, I am near Heathrow so I get lots of one offs - not because I am crap but because they are passing through the airport rather than being based locally.

Please try not to be down on yourself, it won't help your mindset. I bet nearly all of us look better in our photos than in real life! It's natural we pick the most flattering images. As long as you are not fibbing too much in your profiles, such as being 10 years older or 4 dress sizes bigger than you say you are and you are doing the services you say you do I am sure that  not being 'good' is not the reason. Honestly, most men are happy to be allowed to touch a naked women who will suck their cock without complaint they don't think about much else.

Escorting can be weird, there are women who are ludicrously busy, many of them work really bloody hard at it, some are not busy and that can depend on prices, the area, (not many punters/too many escorts) or just a weird thing. I have met lovely escorts who have not been as successful as you might expect and no real reason why.

There are twice as many escorts working in my borough as there was when I started 10 years ago.  I was full time for 4 years and managed, but I don't think I could these days because it just isn't as busy and I am well established and well reviewed.

If you want to PM me your niche I could advise further if you like!

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Re: I'll Get Me Coat
« Reply #18 on: 25 April 2019, 11:53:09 am »
Cities
I didn't know those cities were poor places to tour, I assumed all major cities would be good, especially Birmingham which is similar in size and national importance to Manchester. That still leaves Nottingham and Edinburgh and though they may be just as poor (especially
Nottingham as it's small and a dump) my touring experience has put me off going further afield. After all, if Birmingham and Leeds are poor then what hope for the other, smaller cities? London is the only placed bigger than Manchester and Birmingham and should be a great place to tour but expensive accommodation coupled with so many areas to choose from (and thus more likelihood to pick the wrong one) means I am very reluctant to try - especially having lost £500 on my tours last month.


Local Search
So how does Local Search differ from standard AW listing? For comparison, my main site ranks escorts based on how recently they updated their ad. As there's 18 photo ads per page (6 rows of 3) I renew mine on the morning of my tour and that pretty much ensures I'm still in top position until mid-afternoon and still in the top half at the end of the tour.


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I'm truly not trying to feel sorry for myself, nor am I looking for you all to cheer me up by telling me it's not my fault, I am genuinely perplexed and the only reason I seem to have an answer to every suggestion is because things just don't add up.

If we accept that all the punters in Manchester have visited and I'm just too medicore to entice them back, that still doesn't explain why everywhere else is dead. if I just picked poor places to tour then why were my first trip to Birmingham very good and my second one pretty good? If being a fresh face explains my successful initial 3 months in Manchester then why did Birmingham die after a total of just 6 days and the other places never got started? (Leicester gets an honourable mention as the phone never stopped ringing, so there was interest, just a shame they were all time wasters). And if marketing is so vital then how come I did so well for 15 weeks in Manchester and 2 tours of Birmingham without marketing?


Marketing
Twitter, website, blogs - where do I advertise these? If I place them within the body of my adverts then how do they convert into more punters because punters have to be already viewing my advert in order to see the links I'm posting and if my pics and text aren't enticing them to visit then how is my pontificating on social media going to help?


Escort Sites
When all was going great I used just two: my main site and AW, with only 20% of business coming through AW. During the drought of last summer I tried VivaStreet (too many time wasters) and a couple of unheard of and/or poorly-created sites like Skokka that did absolutely nothing so is there anywhere else that's really good?
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« Reply #19 on: 25 April 2019, 12:25:03 pm »

Local Search
So how does Local Search differ from standard AW listing? For comparison, my main site ranks escorts based on how recently they updated their ad. As there's 18 photo ads per page (6 rows of 3) I renew mine on the morning of my tour and that pretty much ensures I'm still in top position until mid-afternoon and still in the top half at the end of the tour.


Local Search helps clients find the borough you're in. I find it essential for getting any work. LS is useless for me if I don't also pay for Available Now. If I don't have both I don't get work.
Do you think that could be the issue?

I have personal websites too which captures people who've never heard of AW and the odd stray overseas client.
« Last Edit: 25 April 2019, 01:08:38 pm by saltysweet »

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« Reply #20 on: 25 April 2019, 12:32:53 pm »
I think most of us would agree that AW and other advertising sites will only help in your marketing for a limited period of time - there are always more ladies to look for on these sites.  That is probably why you were successful for a time and then it dropped off.

Having your own website only promoting yourself is a must for longevity in this business. It’s not instant, you have to put time and effort into it, but it is worth it. As to Twitter - same, it’s not instant, you have to put the effort in.

As to how you promote your website/Twitter -  on AW there is a links option, where you can display your Twitter and so on, ONLY however if you are using at least one paid for option.  Depending what other advertising you use you can promote them there too.


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Re: I'll Get Me Coat
« Reply #21 on: 25 April 2019, 12:35:17 pm »
OP, re. your last reply, how do your prices compare with other escorts? Could they be a factor?

Twitter and your own website are self-promoting. With good SEO your site will start to rank high on Google. Twitter it's a case of using appropriate hashtags and following, retweeting directories, other escorts etc.

Also, try blogging more and regularly refreshing your three profile pics on AW.
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Re: I'll Get Me Coat
« Reply #22 on: 25 April 2019, 12:38:50 pm »
I don't use any paid AW features bar the phone number display unless I'm somewhete huge like London, but then more of my work comes from my site and blog. There is a fuckton of information on these features in the specific Adultwork section, and a massive thread listing advertising/directory sites at the top of this one.

I think most of us would agree that AW and other advertising sites will only help in your marketing for a limited period of time - there are always more girls to look for on these sites.  That is probably why you were successful for a time and then it dropped off.

Having your own website only promoting yourself is a must for longevity in this business. It’s not instant, you have to put time and effort into it, but it is worth it. As to Twitter - same, it’s not instant, you have to put the effort in.

As to how you promote - on AW there is a links option, where you can display your Twitter and so on, ONLY however if you are using at least one paid for option. 

I don't use Twitter (or similar), but apart from that I agree with SS. The idea (and it certainly isn't just you - we see it time and time again) that you can just throw a free AW page together and you'll be made for life is just weird; nobody expects success in any other highly paid work to require virtually no time, effort or money and our is no different.

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« Reply #23 on: 25 April 2019, 04:30:56 pm »
I don't use any paid AW features bar the phone number display unless I'm somewhete huge like London, but then more of my work comes from my site and blog. There is a fuckton of information on these features in the specific Adultwork section, and a massive thread listing advertising/directory sites at the top of this one.

I don't use Twitter (or similar), but apart from that I agree with SS. The idea (and it certainly isn't just you - we see it time and time again) that you can just throw a free AW page together and you'll be made for life is just weird; nobody expects success in any other highly paid work to require virtually no time, effort or money and our is no different.

For some reason I keep hearing words of surprise from people who say they are 'surprised' I need to advertise in a variety of places, pay for adverts even - these words have been coming at me for years. Usually from punters/clients and from now on I'm going to take it as a compliment.

Occasionally hear of Escorts who don't pay for advertising BUT who do use many free adverts, plus their own website.

Those who seem to carve out a name long term, do appear to put effort into their own non-AW advertising.

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« Reply #24 on: 26 April 2019, 01:33:38 am »
What everyone else said!

Marketing is crucial, paying for ads is crucial, endless effort is crucial - if you want to be super busy!

Here's an example:

+ AW - gets updated every day with any changes to my availability, I add my blog posts to it, update photos, and continually try to improve the information and layout (I pay for local escort search and phone number display every day so that I am included in the maximum search results, I only pay for profile featuring if I am going on tour and I haven't had to use available today in my base city for quite a while as I have been booked up fully in advance)

+ Website - as above plus weekly SEO improvements

+ Twitter - multiple times per day of updates, commenting and sharing other peoples' posts, uploading photos

+ Curious Cat - anonymous Q&A app that links to my website and twitter, clients get to ask me questions and I answer them: it's a good marketing tool and adds to my twitter as content

+ Blogs - I aim to write one per week, which gets uploaded to my website, AW and linked on Twitter

+ Mailing list - formed from subscribers of my website, I send out a monthly newsletter which includes links back to my site to increase the footfall on my site, which then improves my ranking on Google

+ Directories - I am currently listed on 14 directories, each requiring a written listing that gets updated once per week if required

+ Additional ads - I pay for 3 ads separate to anything else, which requires me to update to keep them near the top of the search
results

+ Clip sale sites - I sell clips on some sites, which again, links back to my website

+ Link backs - all ads and directories link back to my website to increase the footfall, and therefore, the ranking on Google

+ Professional photos - I have had 2 shoots in the last year



I am practically glues to my laptop in the evenings ensuring I do all of this. Since making this tremendous effort starting in January, I have never had a quiet day. My calendar is booked out and clients are now booking weeks and weeks in advance. This is not due to a change in my service, my service is the same; but it's a change in my marketing and the effort I apply. It takes solid hard work to get to the point I am at, but so worth it to see a nice full diary with regulars knowning that it;s unlikely they will cancel.

Maybe it's time to stop over analysing where the problem can be and start changing the variable to determine what WAS the problem. If you change your marketing and you start getting busy in your own city, then you know it was the marketing that was the problem. If you try another city but don't change your advertising, then you know it was location that was the problem. If you improve your service but none of the other variables change and you start getting repeat clients, then it was your service that was the problem. Only way to sort this is to try different things but maybe only one at a time so you can pinpoint the problem area.

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« Reply #25 on: 26 April 2019, 01:41:13 am »
You were probably only really busy in your first few months of AW because you were new, most punters want to try the new girl on the block, your a shiney new toy for a while and then your ‘old news’ in a lot of punters eyes, I had the exact same thing happen to me as well, I was making lots of cally dough for about 4 - 6 months and then it just died now, I then ended up taking 2 years off due to personal issues and just went back on AW a few weeks ago and I’m busy again, I know not everyone can afford to take so long off so maybe update your pictures, change your services a little, and some girls have more than one profile and on more than one site, could you see yourself doing this?  I don’t think you should put yourself down so much, there are ways to get around this, a girls sex work is never done.

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« Reply #26 on: 26 April 2019, 05:28:39 am »
Cities
I didn't know those cities were poor places to tour, I assumed all major cities would be good, especially Birmingham which is similar in size and national importance to Manchester. That still leaves Nottingham and Edinburgh and though they may be just as poor (especially
Nottingham as it's small and a dump) my touring experience has put me off going further afield. After all, if Birmingham and Leeds are poor then what hope for the other, smaller cities? London is the only placed bigger than Manchester and Birmingham and should be a great place to tour but expensive accommodation coupled with so many areas to choose from (and thus more likelihood to pick the wrong one) means I am very reluctant to try - especially having lost £500 on my tours last month.

Try touring small towns/cities that are close to major transport links. The [removed - please don't name hotels here] was banging until it got keycarded due to indiscreet girls.

Any hotel that you can say is "10 mins J22 M1" or whatever is going to get you lots of passing trade.

No idea why you don't want to say what your niche is (and your stated reasons don't make sense given the admin strives to make this a safe place for ALL sex workers) but you would get better advice if you did. Or, if you're doing hardsports or bareback or something, asking for advice on the forums that pertain to those interests.

-- Sorry Amy, I thought this was in the Touring section. My fault for clicking on "All unread topics".
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« Reply #27 on: 26 April 2019, 10:15:31 am »
Sorry if I have this wrong but if you offer BDSM/domination services try advertising on domination specific sites as well as escort sites. Many though require a website to link share with, but its easy to set one up and you can pay, like £10 a month to have the url and no adverts etc. I agree with others, the cities you mention are notoriously difficult, two of which because they are the second and third biggest cities in the country and attract a lot of escorts, have loads of brothels and agencies, and Leicester is not a very well off place and is itself saturated. Smaller, wealthier cities/towns are often better in my experience.

I definitely agree a website is a good way to go, its just the fight to get it high up in the search engines. Once you do I find you can get a lot of custom from it (I think most clients don't spend ages on AW or punting sites they just want to search engine 'escort my area' and find someone on page one or two who looks good) and have had the 'work done for them' as it were.

I also think - after 15 years in this game - I've noticed everybody is 'fighting' more for custom than they used to be, so I really wouldn't take it personally.

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« Reply #28 on: 26 April 2019, 11:55:21 am »
Marketing is crucial, paying for ads is crucial, endless effort is crucial - if you want to be super busy!
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Very motivating post, thanks Veggie!  :-*

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« Reply #29 on: 26 April 2019, 08:18:51 pm »
I agree Syn, Veggie, that's invaluable advice, very impressive. :o lol