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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Croissant on 13 June 2017, 10:12:28 am
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Hey guys!
So I'm supposed to be going away with a wealthy client from dubai and he mentioned I would have to sign an NDA. Has anyone had this before? We have met for an overnight before when he came to visit me for an incall and I never had to sign one then? Although this time we are going abroad for a few days... Anyone know what it entails? Apparently his lawyer will be present when I do it....
**just realised that if someone had they probably couldn't say.. Hopefully you can let me know if you have!
UPDATE: I decided not to go because of the risk involved and there were too many stones left unturned x
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Never had to do one, but make sure you read it thoroughly and ask for a copy of it, so you have time to go over it. I guess its just so you do not tell anyone that you are an escort and do not tell anyone that you escorted him, its common sense that we dont ever discuss clients but I guess this client just wants peace of mind
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An NDA is a legal agreement to protect information, usually information of the requesting party, in this case his information. He will probably ask you no to reveal his address, identity etc.
The agreement will be heavily or exclusively geared on his interests. It sounds dodgy if he expects you to just turn up and review and sign it on the spot in presence of his lawyer.
Make sure not to agree to anything that compromises your safety and security. For example what happens if you get forced to do something you don't want to do and cannot report it? Or how are you going to ensure that your safety buddy knows where you are and with whom you are with?
Ask him to send you the NDA well in advance of the meeting so that you can review it properly. And ask for advice here if necessary without disclosing personal details.
I have to rush to the hospital and can't write more just now but PM if you need help.
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I agree with Sheila Star, go over it with a fine tooth comb
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Consider also that by signing an NDA you will be exposing your own identity (name and address). So perhaps, after reviewing the NDA you might need to think about suggesting terms that safeguard you as well in terms of identity, safety etc. And in effect making this a two-way agreement (i.e. you both sign).
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I've had to sign one before, I went over it with a family friend who is a partner at a law firm and his advice was pretty much the same as what's you've been given. Make sure this doesn't stop you from divulging info if your safety and wellbeing depends on it and make sure its sent to you well in advance and perhaps seek your own legal advice.
Most solicitors if you give them a ring will give free initial advice on the phone so definitely utilise that if you can.
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Someone messaged me before, asking to meet & mentioned signing one, because he's very famous & well known.
I put his number into Facebook search ... he was a 17 year old, that worked in McDonalds & drove a 2003 Vauxhall Corsa ... ;D
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Bear in mind that signing an NDA does not trump the laws of the country in which you are, so for example if you witnessed a crime being committed and were interviewed by police, or if you were the victim of a crime, you would still be legally required to give the person's information if requested to do so by a legal authority.
Basically, an NDA doesn't trump the law. My understanding is that a contract which contravenes the law cannot be legally enforced.
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Basically, an NDA doesn't trump the law. My understanding is that a contract which contravenes the law cannot be legally enforced.
No, it certainly doesn't. And assuming you would sign it in your work name and not your legal name, it wouldn't hold any water anyway.
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I had an ex-flatmate who went to work as a live in nanny in Moscow to one of Putin's big wigs and she was made to sign a 7 page NDA. I got to read the contract and it was borderline ridiculous, she could not use social media while working there etc... Needless to say she quit after 2 months because she said it was a golden cage prison.
In the OP's case it's different because she's a prostitute and prostitution is ilegal in Dubai, so in the face of the country laws basically he/she are signing an illegal contract, meaning: the contract has no validity whatsoever. A signature on toilet paper would have more weight. So me thinks it's pure "scare tactics" on his side by making you believe you're signing a ohhh.... a NDA contract. In the meanwhile he's getting your real name to have you under his thumb which can lead to ...blackmail of al sorts. As juicy as it looks I would run away from this offer. But it's your call OP.
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This is my understanding as well that an NDA doesn't trump the law, at least in the UK, not sure about more exotic countries. But as it is a legal document it can complicate things. For example, if you are approached by police to provide information you are obliged to do so, but I am not sure what the situation is if you break the specific terms of the NDA you have agreed and signed to and you approach the law first or someone else. And it would certainly complicate matters for reporting to SAAFE etc. In an extreme scenario that it cannot be proved that whatever happened to you was indeed illegal you could be facing legal action for making false accusations and also violating the agreement. The point is that legal documents can complicate life and best have a bulletproof approach.
It is illegal to sign a legal document using an alias or false name and contact details. If her client's lawyer is indeed a lawyer he will ask to check against her passport, utility bills etc.
The OP didn't say whether she will work in Dubai, but that her client is from there. If she works there yes it is illegal to do so nevertheless that doesn't make a signed agreement illegal by any means, it just makes her life more difficult if something happens she could end up facing prosecution from both state and her client's lawyers.
This is another point, make sure you check the terms of the agreement against the law of the country where you will work. And make sure that the governing courts stated in the agreement are not restricted to those of middle eastern countries (if that's the case) but also include your own country's.
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Thanks a million guys.. That really is some food for thought! I'm way more scared now lol..
Yes he is a citizen of the UAE, I'm British but we will be going to Monaco. He mentioned he had been scammed before and also that he needed ro keep his identity private as his parents are important blah blah.
Pray for me!
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I would love to go to Monaco!
Don't forget to do your own checks and have your own safeguards. To reflect what others said here this man could be anyone, his lawyer could be anyone and he could use the non disclosure to intimidate, blackmail and take advantage of you.
Do you know this guy well? If you already know his name etc I don't see why he would need an NDA. If you don't know him well are you comfortable going abroad with him? Even if you don't know his name already, a non-disclosure agreement seems a bit extreme when there is already a mutual discretion code. It would be used when people, companies etc have valuable things to hide. And I assume you also have your own privacy concerns so what's the point of it? Then again he might actually just be a paranoid 'VIP'. If he is who he says he is, you 'trust' him enough and this is worth it for you make sure the agreement protects you as well.
Good luck
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Who would be paying for the ticket? Would you be willing to give out your real name and passport number for him to book and confirm?
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Its his private jet so I would have to give out my real name. I have met him for 2 overnight bookings now and although he could be anyone, so could any of the other guys Ive met. He has passed the security checks I would normally use and I beilive he his as wealthy as he says he is due to his clothes, watch, Shoes etc and also photos he has shown me and his car blah blah. I have come to the conclusion that it would be a very elaborate scam with lots of thought and expenses that would have gone into it.
I'm also generally very careful who I see so if it is a scam and he plans to sell me to sex traffickers then yolo!
i asked about the NDA and he said it was to stop me being able to take photos of him and post on social media about him etc. I would be able to take photos of the view etc but just nobody I was with. The only other thing is that if we have sex I can't have my phone in the same room...
I think i might actually take the risk as there is no more checks i can really do.. If I'm going at the end of june so if I haven't posted back.. Some one can send a scam and murser warning to NUM haha.. :o
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And no I'm not paying for anything or else I won't be going!
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It sounds great and lots of fun. The paranoid in me though says that expensive clothes, a watch, photos of an expensive car, talks about private jets etc are not really that much of an elaborate scam and can be easily fabricated by many people. In 2 overnights you don't get to know someone well enough. And for what you know he may be doing the same thing with other girls. And even if he is as wealthy as he seems that doesn't mean that he is not a potential risk.
Was your experience with most other guys on trips abroad? If not, you can't really compare. There is an added element of risk in this situation and I wouldn't laugh at the possibility of getting exploited while in an unfamiliar place without knowing where to go for help. Especially if on top of that you have signed a kind of a 'gag order' to paraphrase what he might end up asking, and have no evidence whatsoever to prove who you were with. If he is flying you on a chartered jet how do you know where the destination is? That there won't be a few other girls in there, and you all end up drugged up in some kind of filthy dungeon (no offence to those that enjoy this sort of thing)? It may be best check the terms carefully and if he is genuine he shouldn't have an issue to include terms or exclusions that safeguard you when you ask him. If he does have an issue then he has ulterior motives or he is not truthful.
I would get insulted if a client suggested that I would take photos of him and share them on social media or use a watch to film them, I don't care how important he is or thinks he is. The reverse is usually a concern and he might be making these things up to build the impression of how important he wants you to think he is.
The least you can do for your own sake is to make sure that he is who he say he is. There are a few threads in here about travelling abroad with clients.
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The paranoid in me thinks that it's a scam. I do hope for you that I'm wrong but...
Why would he want you to sign an NDA only now that you're going away with him? He already spent 2 overnights with you, thus he "exposed" himself and took the risk with you. And now, suddenly, you can't have your phone in the room while having sex? Where was your phone during those 2 overnights? If he passsed your security checks then I guess you know his name anyway?
Monaco is a small town so if he's known/famous and planning on taking you out, hes bound to walk into someone he knows. Unless you stay in a villa somewhere uphill...? Or unless he locks you up:(
As to the rest, expensive clothes, shoes, watches, cars... I agree with other ladies that all that means absolutely nothing when it comes to someone's actual net worth.
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I know I've thought all this through and im still not really sure about the whole thing.. Hence the thread!
Ive been conjouring up horror stories in my head all day and freaking myself out. The alarm bells are still ringing and i need to do more digging i expect..
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And yes, i have been abroad with other clients a few times, but not in the same way as I had known them for a while and the trip has usually been a buisness trip or the equivalent of an outcall to their house abroad. And never having to sign an NDA!
Hmmm yikes, this is very complicated and risky..
I too decided if he is unwilling to answer all my questions then he must have dodgy motives..
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I would get insulted if a client suggested that I would take photos of him and share them on social media or use a watch to film them, I don't care how important he is or thinks he is.
Yes, this would irritate me too. Billy Big Bollocks ought to know that all punters expect, deserve and receive exactly the same high level of privacy and discretion regardless of who they are (and as if I would give a toss) or how much they're paying. The implication seems to me that you must think nothing of doing this to others, whoch makes me wonder why he'd want to book somebody he believed to be that unprofessional? He sounds like fucking hard work to me regardless ;D.
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Yeah, I totally take a selfie of myself with all my clients and upload it to my Insta captioned "Look who just paid me for sex lol" ::)
His reasons don't make sense as others have pointed out. I don't think I would accept this booking. Or perhaps, tell him that I would only feel comfortable travelling separately on a normal airline and I would meet him there, and see how he reacted. A genuine client would probably understand, but if he has something nefarious planned then he'll get arsey about it.
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Private jet, Monaco etc... This doesn't look like a "scam" to me honestly,he looks like a wealthy type, but I believe you're giving him an ENORMOUS amount of power by disclosing your real name. And yes, you will be subjected to blackmail of all sorts if he develops a crush and you decide to back off. In fact, you will not be able to because he will have too much power over you by that time. If you think that 5000 pounds (or whatever big amount of money he's giving you) is worth disclosing your real identity and private details and putting yourself in a very very vulnerable position by signing a prostitution contract with a Dubai citizen it's your call. I wouldn't do it, but that's just me. And it's not that I'm uber paranoid, I have a couple clients who know my real name, but I've been seeing them for five years and it took years for them to earn my trust. Because trust cannot be bought or sold, it's something they have to earn. This man hasn't earn it, he's not only buying sex services you, he's buying you too. But if you believe the 5,000 pounds are worth it I'm nobody to judge, really. But if you open a thread asking for feedback this is mine :-)
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Yes I really think I'm not going to go. Originally it was a weekend away in the UK at a spa and stuff so i had no qualms as to whether it was legit. I have now decided that I won't be giving him my real name and if he does want me to go, he can pay for me to get tickets on a regular flight and meet him there for a shorter time. I also spoke to a client of mone last night who has had a lot of experience with NDA's and he advised me not to touch it with a barge pole.
If only we were still going to the spa :FF
Thanks for all your advice guys! Ill let you know if he agrees to this on my terms but I highly doubt it! X
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And yes I agree! The only clients who know my name when I agreed to travel with them, I also knew enough personal information about them to destroy their lives too so it is a way thing. Whereas dont know enough about him for it to be an equal thing
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His reasons don't make sense as others have pointed out. I don't think I would accept this booking. Or perhaps, tell him that I would only feel comfortable travelling separately on a normal airline and I would meet him there, and see how he reacted. A genuine client would probably understand, but if he has something nefarious planned then he'll get arsey about it.
You nailed it, I believe I would do the same thing.
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You nailed it, I believe I would do the same thing.
Yep I second that!
I've decided I'm not going boo hoo
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Before you inform him that you are not going. Would be interesting to know his response in regards to your terms how he reacts.
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He didnt send the agreement and said it was fine if i didn't want to go. I didn't do the full terms as I just decided against it and didn't want to waste his time. He said he is going with 2 girls he found on instagram and they agreed straight away. (fools)
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He said he is going with 2 girls he found on instagram and they agreed straight away.
As if!
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Okay so after a lot of digging i found the girl who he went away with previously and apparently he had contacted her online but they hadn't met.
For me, this is really scary as in the previous 2 times i had met him i received almost 2000 pounds (i even checked if thw notes were fakes and they werent). It wasn't a scam as he never asked me to pay for anything.. So if he did spend 2k on gaining my trust then what on earth must he have been planning.....?
Is this worthy of a warning? Think i massively dodged a bullet and if he had stuck to the original plan of staying in the uk and going to a spa etc then I would have certainly gone.. ???
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Amber, we'll never know. Everything is possible.
There is a possibility that your client had ulterior motives and there is also a possibility that he was genuine and perhaps the other girl had signed an NDA, or didn't want to admit anything for discretion or not to expose herself. Or maybe he lied about her to either make you jealous or to convince you that he has done that before. He spent quite a bit of money on you but I assume he got his money worth in sex so it is not like he lost even if he has dodgy incentives that didn't come to fruition.
You did everything right. You sought advice, you probed your client and took a decision with your mind and gut feeling. The way I see it is like any business, you had to invest something important (your time and safety), you evaluated the risk and came to the decision that this was unacceptably high for whatever the reward was. And you have even met your client a couple of times, whereas we had very limited information here.
I am not perfectly sure whether this is worthy of a warning, but it looks like he did lie to you about the other girl and seemed too good to be true with everything else so best safe than sorry imo! It might be good to post something for caution if others agree.
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No offence babe, but how do you know he is not a drug dealer on the low??
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No offence babe, but how do you know he is not a drug dealer on the low??
Hahahahahahahhahah what?
Thats random????
If you read the post I decided he could be anything on the low.. Including a murderer. If he was a drug dealer i think i would be getting off lightly.
I mean how do i know any of my other clients aren't a dealer on the low? How do you know that yours aren't?
Infact i do have one that is a drug dealer (not on the low) although it wouldn't fly with him just incase...