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DDD

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anti HIV drug [was: anti aids drug]
« on: 31 May 2017, 02:39:31 pm »
While on the subject  on the subject of bareback heard on the Radio that In Scotland prostitutes will be offered an anti aids drug, I did look up the name of the drug but now forgot it.

Apparent it cost ?1500 a month, would or has anyone considered paying for it outside Scotland?

meetingdiversity

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Re: anti HIV drug [was: anti aids drug]
« Reply #1 on: 31 May 2017, 03:06:20 pm »
I think this comes with bad side effects if I thought I was at risk I wouldn't escort not worth it. Everything is protected except the rare oral.

I doubt the majority of escorts offer bareback although barebackers can benefit from the drug the most if so.

It is only for the at risk groups.


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Re: anti HIV drug [was: anti aids drug]
« Reply #2 on: 31 May 2017, 03:07:03 pm »
Is that as a private monthly treatment or NHS funded? I googled but nothing came up, I wouldn't pay it personally because I don't partake in what I class as high risk sexual practices.

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Re: anti HIV drug [was: anti aids drug]
« Reply #3 on: 31 May 2017, 04:32:45 pm »
Is it post exposure prophylaxis you're referring to? Or is this a new drug you take constantly to prevent transmission?

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Re: anti HIV drug [was: anti aids drug]
« Reply #4 on: 31 May 2017, 05:59:01 pm »
Very daft idea as far as I'm concerned (SWs taking it, that is - unless they're stupid enough to bareback).
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Re: anti HIV drug [was: anti aids drug]
« Reply #5 on: 31 May 2017, 08:20:23 pm »
I still cant get my head round why someome would want to do BB in the first place and put themselves at risk.

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Re: anti HIV drug [was: anti aids drug]
« Reply #6 on: 31 May 2017, 08:25:58 pm »
I still cant get my head round why someome would want to do BB in the first place and put themselves at risk.

Well, because everybody's idea of what constitutes an acceptable risk is different. I don't do OWO or RO, but there are plenty of lovely people who do and what they do with their bodies is nobody's business but their own :).

I'm guessing the OP is talking about the pre exposure medication, not PEP. There's been quite a bit in the news about it.

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« Reply #7 on: 31 May 2017, 09:04:05 pm »
It sounds like 'PrEP' rather than 'PEP' (i.e. pre-exposure protection as opposed to post-exposure).

There is a lot of debate on this. I also don't see the point for the mainstream SWs. It is touted to be as effective as condoms but it doesn't protect from STIs (i.e. doesn't replace condoms), you would have to be taking it every day, you would need to ensure you take the right dosage for it to be effective, possibly suffer side effects and so on. There are also concerns some people may falsely view it as a replacement for condoms. And it is also difficult to check if someone is really on it and the correct dosage, whereas with condoms you can see them with bare eyes!

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« Reply #8 on: 31 May 2017, 09:29:28 pm »
I still cant get my head round why someome would want to do BB in the first place and put themselves at risk.

Ha, the first time I saw this I read BB as in Bed and Breakfast. Probably time to call it a day.

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Re: anti HIV drug [was: anti aids drug]
« Reply #9 on: 03 June 2017, 02:35:20 am »
I still cant get my head round why someome would want to do BB in the first place and put themselves at risk.

A couple of months ago I was booked by a guy who turned out to be a Doctor, he had a stethoscope poking from a bag on the back seat and on his jacket that hung neatly on a hook was an I'd card from the local hospital. He asked me for BB and I commented that being a Doctor he should know better. He told me that catching Aids was not that easy although the risks are increased by unprotected anal sex

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Re: anti HIV drug [was: anti aids drug]
« Reply #10 on: 03 June 2017, 07:00:26 am »
He told me that catching Aids was not that easy although the risks are increased by unprotected anal sex

If he's a doctor he ought to know the difference between AIDS and HIV. Nobody can 'catch AIDS'.

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« Reply #11 on: 03 June 2017, 10:33:29 am »
If he's a doctor he ought to know the difference between AIDS and HIV. Nobody can 'catch AIDS'.

Haha! The id and conveniently revealed stethoscope may have been props for reassuring people.

He told me that catching Aids was not that easy although the risks are increased by unprotected anal sex

Statistically this is true about anal sex vs vaginal intercourse. Statistically it is also true that the risk of obtaining HIV from unprotected sex is comparatively low. For example, it is far more likely that anyone could have a fatal traffic accident than be infected by HIV in the UK. As Amy said above, the idea of acceptable risk is different for everyone. You may also find that a small percentage of people who are educated professionally about risks can be higher risk takers in their personal lives. If this guy is really a medical practitioner he should know that: (a) this careless attitude would be condemned by his profession and ethical code (b) that he is in a higher risk group due to his job (c) that a SW who offers BB is in a higher risk group. i.e. his chances of catching HIV and infecting someone else are higher than the average person.

If you see him again don't trust him even if he is really a doctor!

Keep in mind that statistics are just that, statistics, based on a limited number of cases. Your actual risk may be higher or lower. Imo I just wouldn't want to risk it.
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Re: anti HIV drug [was: anti aids drug]
« Reply #12 on: 03 June 2017, 11:38:35 am »
PrEP - 'pre-exposure prophylaxis', taking the anti-HIV drugs before you come into contact with any HIV infected semen - is indeed going to be what's on offer.

It's one of the classic cases of everyone having their own view of the risks vs the rewards. The risks are supposed to be lower than PEP - 'post-exposure prophylaxis', taking the anti-HIV drugs after etc - both in terms of effectiveness and side-effects, but if you're not doing anything particularly risky then you may not rate the rewards particularly highly either.

Statistically it is also true that the risk of obtaining HIV from unprotected sex is comparatively low.

Not if you're a man having sex with other men, for example.

If you're a male escort, especially one doing anal, then the balance can look very different: you're more likely to have HIV+ clients for a start. Similarly, you can see it differently if you or a partner are doing IV drugs.
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« Reply #13 on: 03 June 2017, 11:53:56 am »
If you're a male escort, especially one doing anal, then the balance can look very different: you're more likely to have HIV+ clients for a start. Similarly, you can see it differently if you or a partner are doing IV drugs.

I totally agree. Odds can be overgenarilised and there are lots of affecting factors like age, sex, sexual orientation, location etc.

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« Reply #14 on: 03 June 2017, 11:26:11 pm »
Well, because everybody's idea of what constitutes an acceptable risk is different. I don't do OWO or RO, but there are plenty of lovely people who do and what they do with their bodies is nobody's business but their own :).

I'm guessing the OP is talking about the pre exposure medication, not PEP. There's been quite a bit in the news about it.

If this forum is supposed to be support and advice for escorts, surely the issue of risks of Bareback should be discussed ? Its common knowledge sex workers are at a higher risk, that's why they ask at the clinic if we have ever been paid for, or paid for sex, its also common knowledge that unprotected sex with numerous people puts people at a higher risk, why are we not allowed to voice our concerns and opinions on here about Bareback ? Its not only the Bareback girls who are at risk from this practise, its clients, clients families and other service providers who don't offer it but could have a burst condom with a habitual bareback client. Surely advice on here should be to deter people away from Bareback. Its not being judgemental or opinionated but this is something that should be advised about on a site that is meant to offer support and advice to escorts ?