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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Jessiegirl on 12 February 2017, 06:42:14 pm
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I mainly work from a flat with other girls but the boss takes 50 per cent of all my earnings. It's not really an agency don't think but looking at the agency posts 30 per cent seems the norm. So do you think I am being ripped off?
Also I have no control over my adultwork profile. I saw it recently and it basically says I am up for anything including extreme stuff which I don't like and cannot do. Would appreciate advice and how to confront my boss about this without losing my job. Also they make money from private pictures and videos which I don't get. Some photos show my face but I told them I don't want people seeing my face.
Eventually want to go independent but don't have confidence to do it yet.
Any advice would be appreciated.
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Some thing a pimp does try to go solo it is better usually if you don't work their way they get rid of. Sorry to put it so blunt but they want to make as much profit from you. If they put the truth about your likes they wouldn't earn as much.
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I mainly work from a flat with other girls but the boss takes 50 per cent of all my earnings. It's not really an agency don't think but looking at the agency posts 30 per cent seems the norm. So do you think I am being ripped off?
Yes.
Also I have no control over my adultwork profile. I saw it recently and it basically says I am up for anything including extreme stuff which I don't like and cannot do.
This sounds not only like your being ripped off but dangerous too! They obviously have no respect for you the way they are treating you, do you think they are going to help you out when a client books you expecting services you don't provide and gets angry about the "false advertising"?
Also they make money from private pictures and videos which I don't get. Some photos show my face but I told them I don't want people seeing my face.
You don't think you have the confidence to go independent yet you have the confidence to have explicit videos and pictures of you on the internet, see clients you havn't personally yourself vetted and work from a misleading profile? I've been independant for 7 years and still wouldn't have the confidence to do what your doing... It sounds like they have successfully scared you off going indie for their own financial gain.
If I where in your position I would not see, work for, or speak to them again. I would report your profile to AW as fake and make my own genuine one.
Please stop letting these people exploit you this way.
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I wouldn't say you're just being ripped off, I'd say they aren't respecting your boundaries - you've said that you don't want your face being displayed, and they've put it on photos. They aren't respecting what you want on your preferences/likes. You aren't in control of your profile, which may be the case with agencies/parlours (I've always been indie so I don't know how that works), but I would imagine that it does reflect the service you are comfortable providing at least? And with regards to the private gallery content - surely you would get profit from that?
None of this would make me comfortable.
I honestly don't have advice as to how you would speak to your boss, because a) I've never been in your position and b) my advice would honestly be to look to go independent. And you've said that you don't feel you have the confidence to do that yet.
I agree with what meetingdiversity has said though - do what is right for you. Personally I take the stance that in this industry you should be the one making the money from your activities and if you choose to enter into agreements with others, i.e. sharing a flat, being in an agency etc, its all mutually agreed and it doesn't make you feel like you're being taken advantage of, or that you're being put into a position where you're advertised as doing things you would never entertain. That's just my 2p though.
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I have been with an agency who took 40%,( + room charge) but otherwise treated me very well.
Then I have been with with an agency in London who took 50% - 60%. They were also treatening girls with horrible things and I had to help them, as they were very naive and didn't know much about this work and their rights. Thank God, they are in prison now for what they did.
It's best to do this on your own.
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I don't get any money for private content and videos. Also I get jobs I don't want to do and hate. I do have some lovely clients though so not all bad.
One of them told me to stand up to them and they are taking advantage of me because I'm new. He said they just wantto make money out of me and don't care about me.
If I do go independent which I want to do one thing that worries me is security and being safe if working alone. Maybe that's another post.
Thanks again everybody
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You are not being ripped off, you are being exploited and coerced by a criminal.
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If I do go independent which I want to do one thing that worries me is security and being safe if working alone.
You will be safer working independantly than you are with these criminals (+1 to Ana)
Theres lots of information on here about how to work safely.
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You are definitely being exploited.
If you don't have an incall location then you book hotels, on day rate if necessary. If you were getting 100% of your hourly rate as advertised, how much would it be? Enough to pay for a ?100 hotel room, I'm guessing.
You do not need a pimp. Take advice here from girls on how to market yourself. Honestly you need nothing more. I'm a fat 40yr old and I'm raking it in!
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Independence with this work is the best way whichever way you do it. Personal website and adultwork but there are plenty of other ways to get noticed without having to hand over almost half your pay to a greedy manager or agent. At present it seems you are willingly being exploited so equally you are free to move away from these people and the best thing about going it alone is the choice of seeing who you want and not seeing some men again if you are not happy with them. Agents and pimps will just send anyone they want as all they think of is the money without having to get intimate with the clients.
Do not waste time in going it alone I think it will make you much happier and enjoy the work even more.
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If I work alone am afraid of safety. It's what I want to do eventually but just finding the guts to go it alone. Also don't have enough clients yet so hoping to build up the good ones.
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I mainly work from a flat with other girls but the boss takes 50 per cent of all my earnings. It's not really an agency don't think but looking at the agency posts 30 per cent seems the norm. So do you think I am being ripped off?
Also I have no control over my adultwork profile. I saw it recently and it basically says I am up for anything including extreme stuff which I don't like and cannot do. Would appreciate advice and how to confront my boss about this without losing my job. Also they make money from private pictures and videos which I don't get. Some photos show my face but I told them I don't want people seeing my face.
Eventually want to go independent but don't have confidence to do it yet.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Hmmmm you are being pimped and majorly exploited dear, trust me you are confident enough to go for it on your own.
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If I work alone am afraid of safety. It's what I want to do eventually but just finding the guts to go it alone. Also don't have enough clients yet so hoping to build up the good ones.
Hello Jessie,
I'm sorry you're in trouble. I hope not to sound too harsh with what I have to add.
I go with Ana and VC. You are being exploited by a pimp. The man is not your "boss", hes just pimping you out as much as he can and for whatever services HE decides you offer not to mention the fact he's not respecting your privacy (pictures and videos).
While for him it's illegal for you it is simply dangerous. What if one of bookings your "boss" gets you turns bad because the client was promised services you are not happy to offer? I understand you worry about your safety if you go independent but you are below safe right now already. You risk danger from each and every client you see and you have no control whatsoever over anything.
As to not having enough clients yet... everyone starts at zero:) plus are you sure the clients you have now are the clients you want to have? More importantly, are you sure your "boss" will be happy if you just take the clients with you?
You need out, girl:)
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You are not being ripped off, you are being exploited and coerced by a criminal.
^^^ Hear, hear.
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Thanks for all the advice. I know I'm being exploited that's why I want to go independent and just see guys I like. Not all guys are bad maybe 50 per cent. But my boss treats me like a piece of meat sometimes and gets me to do things I don't enjoy saying the money is good for these jobs. Problem is I can't do them so feel it's a waste of time.
Never thought of them as a criminal and pump so has opened my eyes a bit more.
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Also my fave client has said the way I get treated is totally unacceptable and reiterated what you have said which makes me trust him even more.
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Thanks for all the advice. I know I'm being exploited that's why I want to go independent and just see guys I like. Not all guys are bad maybe 50 per cent. But my boss treats me like a piece of meat sometimes and gets me to do things I don't enjoy saying the money is good for these jobs. Problem is I can't do them so feel it's a waste of time.
Never thought of them as a criminal and pump so has opened my eyes a bit more.
They definitely are (+1 to whoever said that first).
As others have said you know what you need to do, get yourself away from these people. I think reporting your own AW profile as fake is a brilliant idea. Do that, get a new sim card for your phone so these people can't contact you, and go somewhere else. If you are booking hotels for incalls, you can of course also stay there if you are in immediate need until you can sort yourself out.
Good luck girl. I hate people like this.
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One girl I work with at this place used to be independent but got attacked a few times which really scares me. Although this place is not ideal she feels safer cos if anything happens there is someone here to help.
There are some nutters out there which is my biggest concern if n my own.
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Adultwork has a rating system, when a member emails you there is a little number next to their user name. If you click it a list of feedbacks from other WGs he has seen will appear. You can use this to avoid the total nutters. I understand this is not fail proof but its a lot safer than what your doing at the moment. I wish there was something I could say to make you realise how much safer going independant would be and get rid of your fear about it, it's really horrible to think of anyone in your situation being exploited this way.
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I fully agree with what the other girls said.
Your "boss" manipulates you into believing that you are more secure with him than if you are alone.
Pure bullshit.
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Thanks again everybody i need to get my parse into gear and get out i know. Still quite daunting and scary though. :-[
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The first step is the hardest. :)
Personally I have been doing this job for 10 years. In the first years, I worked for an agency. And for seven years I have been independent.
It's really better. :)
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Thanks lotus300. So was your experience at the agency similar to mine? I don't intend working that long, this is just a temporary thing until I start my own business.
Wouldn't mind still seeing a couple of clients though, one in particular. Get paid to have great sex and a lovely time. Sometimes i feel i should pay him as he does all the work whilst i reap the pleasure. ;D
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Thanks lotus300. So was your experience at the agency similar to mine?
No, they were good agencies in Montreal (Canada). They were women-led agencies.
But it is better to be his own boss. And when you are an indy, that's what you are.
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Jesse can I ask what are this horrible house is in? Do you think it could be worth posing a warning about it since they are showing your face without your consent and putting you in dangerous situations service wise?
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Jessie
Do some research on this forum and look into ways that you can go independent. I am sure if you have any questions you can also PM members as well. All the best of luck.
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If you're experiencing about half of your current clients being "bad" in some way (I'm guessing boundary pushing, verbally abusive/rude, over staying, or unhygienic) then you can only improve by going indie. I would say less than 10% of my clients I dislike. When you are doing your own screening and booking you will be able to pick up on bad vibes from the client and turn down anyone who sounds rude or pushy. Plus if you do get a bad'un, you can just save him as "never see again" - and you won't have to.
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One girl I work with at this place used to be independent but got attacked a few times which really scares me. Although this place is not ideal she feels safer cos if anything happens there is someone here to help.
There are some nutters out there which is my biggest concern if n my own.
I don't see who would help you and how.
I understand this is what your "boss" keeps telling you. But this is because he's trying to brainwash you so he can keep you working for himself and make profit out of you.
If the flat where you work serves as a work flat to more than one lady then it qualifies as a brothel. That's illegal. Your boss is a pimp. That's illegal as well. So if something happens to you at work I really don't see a pimp helping a working girl report to the police that she got attacked in a brothel... ??? ???
Just try to see it from a different perspective.
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Also can I suggest if this guy threatens you in any way at all, go to the police, you are not in the wrong the one who will get into trouble is him and not you, Prostitution is not illegal but pimping is which is something you can mention to him if he refuses to release your profile.
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If I work alone am afraid of safety. It's what I want to do eventually but just finding the guts to go it alone.
How are you any safer working for this pimp who is clearly exploiting you and making you accept bookings that you wouldnt accept if you were working independently? Even you know that deep down, the only thing your boss is interested in is money. He doesnt care about anything else. He makes 50% of your money and what is he doing? Hes set up a profile for you on AW which is free to advertise on (which you could do yourself, for free) and is not screening the clients therefore putting you in much more security risk. There are lots of girls who have virtual security buddies and this can be just as successful (to a degree) as physically having someone there.
As others have mentioned here, you could easily provide incalls from a hotel to start with and do the odd outcall. I did this for 6 months before finding an appt to work from FT.
Also don't have enough clients yet so hoping to build up the good ones.
But when you go indi you will loose these clients so building up good ones for the time being is futile, unless you intend on taking their number and contacting them when you go indi.
When you eventually leave, this pimp is going to continue selling your content and making a profit on it so its in your better interest to get out ASAP
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Hi all,
I don't get threatened but sometimes get jobs I dont want or like. My fave client told me to stand up for myself as it will have a detriment effect on me and my work. I did do this about one job i was dreading but don't want to turn down too many jobs. Maybe i need to be more forceful.
I think where i work the police turn a blind eye to brothels and only interested in people trafficking.
I have given my number to my fave client. He sees me at least once a week and its not like work with him just fun.
I dont want to mention this place yet as I'm still working there. Maybe when I go independent.
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You need to leave this arrangement ASAP. Your 'boss' is most definitely pimping you out.
If you're worried about safety and working alone why not try hotels, or looking on the seeking/offering posts here so you could work together with another escort?
If you feel like 50% of your clients are bad then that's not a good sign. When you're independent *you* get to decide who you see, plus you have control of your AW profile, your services and you keep all the money.
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Hi
One escort on this site has kindly offered to be a security buddy which sounds great and was not aware about. So learning bit by bit.
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You are not being ripped off, you are being exploited and coerced by a criminal.
+1. Stay well away from this people, the farther shot you can get of this person/people the better. When I first worked, I started off working independently and for about 6 months I had absolutely no problems worth noting (aside from TW's and a couple of d*cks kicking off in texts)
I then went to work for an agency because my friend at the time insisted they send you lots of rich and nice clients, lots of work and really good bookings, and I had more problems in 2 months than I did for the entire time I worked for myself. They sent me alsorts of horrible people and I felt so unsafe. I had to kick people out, threaten clients with the police and alsorts.
I'm working again now and I'm working independently. What I learnt from that was that there is no better judge than your own instinct, and nobody cares about your own safety the same way you do.
It may seem scarier working independently, but you'll be in charge of your own bookings this time. Nobody else. Just make sure you have a security buddy and procedures to make sure you're safe.
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I don't see who would help you and how.
I understand this is what your "boss" keeps telling you. But this is because he's trying to brainwash you so he can keep you working for himself and make profit out of you.
If the flat where you work serves as a work flat to more than one lady then it qualifies as a brothel. That's illegal. Your boss is a pimp. That's illegal as well. So if something happens to you at work I really don't see a pimp helping a working girl report to the police that she got attacked in a brothel... ??? ???
Just try to see it from a different perspective.
+1
Think about this. What would this boss do for you. Picture the situation but put someone else in it instead of yourself....if an escort was attacked there, what would happen? My guess is at best the client would be asked to leave. Is that worth everything? Having someone there to ask the client to leave?
You can work from hotels to minimise the risk - don't get me wrong things can still happen but they are rare - and in a hotel, 0 on the phone is generally always reception. If you scream loudly enough, someone will hear. And clients know all this so are more likely to behave themselves in hotels IMHO.
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I don't get threatened but sometimes get jobs I dont want or like.
Exactly. When you work for yourself, you get to decide which bookings you accept/decline Your pimp is only interested in your 50% for doing fuck all.
I know you have concerns about being indi, but when you do decide to go down that route, you will see just how much better it is then working for this pimp.
Change is always scary but once your on the other side you will see that the grass is in fact greener
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You have to go independent, it`s not hard at all, as other ladies said you can rent hotels for 2-3 days, then move to another until you save for a flat.
You can find any information you need on this forum, use the search facility.
If you don`t like hotels and you`re not feeling safe to work alone, try to find another escort to share a flat with or even rent a room from an escort, either check the seeking section on here or put your own topic up.
Good luck and you should really get rid of that pimp of yours, you are much better off keeping all your money.