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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Kellyrose281 on 11 October 2019, 04:54:09 pm
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Hello all,
Just need some advice.. started with an agency who charge quite high for area say £50 more then usual agency rates. I’ve been there two days and only had one client. I’m the biggest on their books at a size 14 with a belly plus I’m more girl next door then glamours lol.
Do you think maybe I’m starting somewhere else with a lower rate? Just new to this don’t know what I’m doing wrong??
Kelly xx
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How many clients do you expect from the agency per day Kelly?
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Does it take time for agency workers to build up clients, be noticed, get a following?
How many hours are you available, are you incall or outcall? Did they promise you a certain number?
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I've always found agency work more unreliable than indie, having only got one booking in two days from an agency, is not that shocking to me at all. I also find agencies tend to be prone to working on a 'Nandos-esque' business model of pitching to clients what they think is going to be generically popular across the board and less comfortable working with anyone who might vaguely be considered niche. I should say as an aside, though, lots of clients will prefer 'girl next door' to glamorous and size 14 is not really niche either.
The only thing you can do if it you want more clients is to try another agency alongside for a while (use a different name and photos - agencies might say you can't do this but they have no right to make that stipulation) or you could just switch for a while, as long as you leave on good terms agencies usually don't mind women coming and going (well, sometimes they mind but they need you more than you need them - important to always remember! - so they have to suck it up) and/or set up an indie profile if youre able and then see which avenue suits you best in terms of rates and numbers of clients. When you're new, it is often a case of experimenting with the avenues in the industry until you find the method of working that suits you best.
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How many clients do you expect from the agency per day Kelly?
Thanks for your reply. At least three a day would of been nice
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I've always found agency work more unreliable than indie, having only got one booking in two days from an agency, is not that shocking to me at all. I also find agencies tend to be prone to working on a 'Nandos-esque' business model of pitching to clients what they think is going to be generically popular across the board and less comfortable working with anyone who might vaguely be considered niche. I should say as an aside, though, lots of clients will prefer 'girl next door' to glamorous and size 14 is not really niche either.
The only thing you can do if it you want more clients is to try another agency alongside for a while (use a different name and photos - agencies might say you can't do this but they have no right to make that stipulation) or you could just switch for a while, as long as you leave on good terms agencies usually don't mind women coming and going (well, sometimes they mind but they need you more than you need them - important to always remember! - so they have to suck it up) and/or set up an indie profile if youre able and then see which avenue suits you best in terms of rates and numbers of clients. When you're new, it is often a case of experimenting with the avenues in the industry until you find the method of working that suits you best.
Thank you for your reply :) they did say they don’t work on high volume because of the way their agency is set. But one is just too low for me! So you don’t think size 14 and not being glamorous would effect my popularity. The agency did say In the nicest way that if I slimmed down and took more care I would be more popular
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Does it take time for agency workers to build up clients, be noticed, get a following?
How many hours are you available, are you incall or outcall? Did they promise you a certain number?
Thank you for your reply. It’s an incall place which is their home. No promises did tell me they focus on quality rather then quantity so wouldn’t be loads of clients a day. But i do think I’m bottom of barrel at moment being new and not model looks..
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It’s an incall place which is their home.
Classy and professional! ;D
The agency did say In the nicest way that if I slimmed down and took more care I would be more popular
Pimpspeak for 'we have no idea how to market you, we're too thick to try and figure it out, and too lazy to actually work for the money you're paying us'.
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Yea I've known lots of women who aren't super slim being busy. And there are men who like the high glamour thing and men that like 'girl next door'. As long as you are presentable and offer a good service you can be popular. Agencies like to blame their like of success or validity in an era when its some much easy to be indie on the women who they take their percentage off. I've never found agencies reliable ways of getting income, ever, and I've worked for agencies as a size 8 age 20 and a 14 age 30.
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Yes maybe I’m better off trying to try all avenues. I just find it mind blowing how many great choice of escorts out there how on earth do I market myself when others can’t?? I have read through posts about staffing on own perhaps I will take what I get with this agency and if it don’t get better save what money I can to get a phone photoshoot and set up on adult work. I guess I have to admit to myself to make money I have to put effort in exactly like starting any business.
The plus side the one client I did get wants to book again as he felt it was an authentic experience. So perhaps one regular every few months but that’s not going to help my bank balance ::)
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Yea I've known lots of women who aren't super slim being busy. And there are men who like the high glamour thing and men that like 'girl next door'. As long as you are presentable and offer a good service you can be popular. Agencies like to blame their like of success or validity in an era when its some much easy to be indie on the women who they take their percentage off. I've never found agencies reliable ways of getting income, ever, and I've worked for agencies as a size 8 age 20 and a 14 age 30.
I take it your an independent now then? What made you go back to an agency at 30? I’m not prepared to give up my food yet ;D
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Thank you for your reply. It’s an incall place which is their home. No promises did tell me they focus on quality rather then quantity so wouldn’t be loads of clients a day. But i do think I’m bottom of barrel at moment being new and not model looks..
WTF? Go indie!
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WTF? Go indie!
I think I’m making it sound more seedy then it is it is does seem very professional but then I’m new to this.. yes I have read this forum for going independent. But I just worry I attract the wrongens in my personal life I will do so in this job ??? ;D
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I don't know the set up so am guessing...
If it's a brothel apartment where the men choose from a group of girls in the flesh.... That can be a challenging, competitive environment, fashion models have lineups for modelling contracts and it's depressing for the ones who get rejected. Some SW are just more experienced in 'actressing' for lineups in brothels and maybe that's not the right set up for you.
If it's a phone up agency, it's possible you had other job requests but they're not telling you. 'Bad' agencies have their favourites and mates and may give their buds the pick of the jobs. Even if clients ask for you specifically the agency can do the jobs themselves and you'll never know. I tested an agency with a request from a male friend and they did this to me. They used my profile as bait. Maybe you can test them?
The negative body comments seems like bullying to keep you insecure and vulnerable. You employ them. They don't employ you. So don't choose to feel belittled or beholden.
You are their client and pay them commission to do their job efficiently. If you're not a happy client because they are misleading you or the work environment doesn't suit your personality then find another way.
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I think I’m making it sound more seedy then it is it is does seem very professional but then I’m new to this.. yes I have read this forum for going independent. But I just worry I attract the wrongens in my personal life I will do so in this job ??? ;D
This is the bit you can work on and yes people do pick up on vibes, at the least some punters will detect this and either avoid you, take advantage or try to help.
Your posts so far have been very down on yourself, my OH explains to me punters who are attracted to you are attracted to you. End of - just learn to market your strengths rather than think you have to fit a particular mould.
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I don't know the set up so am guessing...
If it's a brothel apartment where the men choose from a group of girls in the flesh.... That can be a challenging, competitive environment, fashion models have lineups for modelling contracts and it's depressing for the ones who get rejected. Some SW are just more experienced in 'actressing' for lineups in brothels and maybe that's not the right set up for you.
If it's a phone up agency, it's possible you had other job requests but they're not telling you. 'Bad' agencies have their favourites and mates and may give their buds the pick of the jobs. Even if clients ask for you specifically the agency can do the jobs themselves and you'll never know. I tested an agency with a request from a male friend and they did this to me. They used my profile as bait. Maybe you can test them?
The negative body comments seems like bullying to keep you insecure and vulnerable. You employ them. They don't employ you. So don't choose to feel belittled or beholden.
You are their client and pay them commission to do their job efficiently. If you're not a happy client because they are misleading you or the work environment doesn't suit your personality then find another way.
All of this.
As for going indie, its not like real life. You have the ability to 'make yourself' anything you want your escort persona to be, to brand yourself to attract the kinds of clients you think you can get along with. Escorts often have more control over how they can interact with men than in 'real life', I think. And if you need help with your profiles or ideas about how to advertise effectively, that's what this forum is for :D
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This is the bit you can work on and yes people do pick up on vibes, at the least some punters will detect this and either avoid you, take advantage or try to help.
Your posts so far have been very down on yourself, my OH explains to me punters who are attracted to you are attracted to you. End of - just learn to market your strengths rather than think you have to fit a particular mould.
Hello mirror thank you for your reply. Yes defiantly need to work on myself or I’m going to get people taking the piss. I do like the set up they have they expect girls to do minimum I suppose but look good. I just don’t get no clients lol maybe it’s because I’m only available a few hours a week. So that won’t help me be the top choice. So you don’t think getting false lashes tan ect will help ??
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This is the bit you can work on and yes people do pick up on vibes, at the least some punters will detect this and either avoid you, take advantage or try to help.
Your posts so far have been very down on yourself, my OH explains to me punters who are attracted to you are attracted to you. End of - just learn to market your strengths rather than think you have to fit a particular mould.
Hello mirror thank you for your reply. Yes defiantly need to work on myself or I’m going to get people taking the piss. I do like the set up they have they expect girls to do minimum I suppose but look good. I just don’t get no clients lol maybe it’s because I’m only available a few hours a week. So that won’t help me be the top choice. So you don’t think getting false lashes tan ect will help ??
I'm not a lashes - tan fan at all I don't think it will help unless a punter has a lashes and tan fetish, you can be well presented without being over the top. I receive compliments from women (and men) a lot yet I'm the exact opposite of HD, layers of make-up, I have a very basic hair cut (simple 15 minute trim every 6 weeks), keep it in good condition by not heating/styling/colouring, or chucking on gunk. You, your presence, your smile, your demeanour, your promotion will make the biggest difference. When you say 'few hours' what do you mean exactly please?
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I'm not a lashes - tan fan at all I don't think it will help unless a punter has a lashes and tan fetish, you can be well presented without being over the top. I receive compliments from women (and men) a lot yet I'm the exact opposite of HD, layers of make-up, I have a very basic hair cut (simple 15 minute trim every 6 weeks), keep it in good condition by not heating/styling/colouring, or chucking on gunk. You, your presence, your smile, your demeanor, your promotion will make the biggest difference. When you say 'few hours' what do you mean exactly please?
Mirror that’s good then. I mean I only have one day a week in school hours that I can work at the moment due to other commitments
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Mirror that’s good then. I mean I only have one day a week in school hours that I can work at the moment due to other commitments
My suggestion would be to try booking a day-use hotel room. Even if you keep your rates lowish, you'll keep 100% of whatever you make, bar the price of the hotel room.
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When I first started escorting around a year ago I started with an agency, I was too the biggest of the girls (size 14) each day was different but on quiet days I was left thinking was it my size. Then after speaking to the other girls I realised the whole agency had gone really quiet compared to what it use to be like and they just seemed busier as they had regulars who only booked them. After working 3 shifts 11am-11pm and not getting one client I left and went indie, I never question my size now, I have clients who see me once sometimes twice a week and will only see me. It’s really boosted my confidence which probably makes me “work” better. When I first set up my aw I really didn’t think I’d get many jobs with how many slimmer/gorgeous women there are on there but you will be surprised. I can only work 2 days myself and find I’m sometimes back to back as regulars and new clients want to book in with me having limited availability. What ever you do hope it works out and please don’t think your quiet because of your size or not being glam enough. I’m proof that plenty of men like a size 14 woman x x
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When I first started escorting around a year ago I started with an agency, I was too the biggest of the girls (size 14) each day was different but on quiet days I was left thinking was it my size. Then after speaking to the other girls I realised the whole agency had gone really quiet compared to what it use to be like and they just seemed busier as they had regulars who only booked them. After working 3 shifts 11am-11pm and not getting one client I left and went indie, I never question my size now, I have clients who see me once sometimes twice a week and will only see me. It’s really boosted my confidence which probably makes me “work” better. When I first set up my aw I really didn’t think I’d get many jobs with how many slimmer/gorgeous women there are on there but you will be surprised. I can only work 2 days myself and find I’m sometimes back to back as regulars and new clients want to book in with me having limited availability. What ever you do hope it works out and please don’t think your quiet because of your size or not being glam enough. I’m proof that plenty of men like a size 14 woman x x
Thank you Annabelle you have given me confidence.. now where to start on Indy xx
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I’m fairly new but happy the way things are going, so if you need any advice about starting off indie feel free to message me. I don’t know all the in’s and outs but if I can help in anyway I’d be happy too x x
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Hello all,
Just need some advice.. started with an agency who charge quite high for area say £50 more then usual agency rates. I’ve been there two days and only had one client. I’m the biggest on their books at a size 14 with a belly plus I’m more girl next door then glamours lol.
Do you think maybe I’m starting somewhere else with a lower rate? Just new to this don’t know what I’m doing wrong??
Kelly xx
It's much better to be independent IMHO :)
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To be honest I’m not sure it’s for me.. had great 2nd client had a good time ect. But since that a few days ago I have been feeling guilty and worried if anyone found out. I do suffer with anxiety. But does escorting get better or do you think maybe I’m not suited for the job.
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To be honest I’m not sure it’s for me.. had great 2nd client had a good time ect. But since that a few days ago I have been feeling guilty and worried if anyone found out. I do suffer with anxiety. But does escorting get better or do you think maybe I’m not suited for the job.
Sounds like you are thinking about this a lot, it can be easy to think everyone knows when in reality they are just getting on with their lives.
Would it be a problem if people knew, I don't mean that literally - just how would you feel?
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Sounds like you are thinking about this a lot, it can be easy to think everyone knows when in reality they are just getting on with their lives.
Would it be a problem if people knew, I don't mean that literally - just how would you feel?
I do way overthink get told that all the time! Well my family wouldn’t understand and my children would disown me I think they are pre teenagers
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I do way overthink get told that all the time! Well my family wouldn’t understand and my children would disown me I think they are pre teenagers
Those are their reactions ignoring that, how would you feel if others know.
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Personally I can only talk about myself really, my family know what I do ( at least the important ones), my husband knows and it's never been a problem.
If you expect that you can hide this from them you are walking a dangerous path of deceit, isolation and despair.
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Personally I can only talk about myself really, my family know what I do ( at least the important ones), my husband knows and it's never been a problem.
If you expect that you can hide this from them you are walking a dangerous path of deceit, isolation and despair.
Yes I’ve noticed so night before I’m panicking what’s it going be like. Then next day I have appointment need cover story for my whereabouts. Only having seen one client on day enjoy myself. Then next day feel guilty. Then back to normal next few days. As I said only work one day and only seen one client at mo as with agency. It seems a lot of work and draining for one client. Having said that I am a naturally anxious person. My first time I thought yep I’m make for this job but perhaps that was because I finally done it and it was an adrenaline rush. Now I’m an anxious mess!
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Dunno if I've got this right? If you've still only had 1 job in 2 weeks it sounds like a slow old slog.
Say you made £200 with your sole client after commission. That means you've made average of £14.00 a day to spend in the past 14 days. It's all extra money though.
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Dunno if I've got this right? If you've still only had 1 job in 2 weeks it sounds like a slow slog.
Say you made £200 with your sole client, that means you've made average of £14.00 a day to spend in the past 14 days-it's all extra money though.
I wish £80 per hour for me . That’s good as they have high overheads so I get the rate but.. independent is higher so I understand. Maybe that’s why it seems so much stress get ready night before hair shave then next day travel around hour and half there and back. It is secure place though but worked out after tax and expenses it would be £45 an hour. With my anxiety I don’t think I could handle branching out on own I don’t have to worry about vetting them or hiding money ect and the security
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So I re-calculate, you made roughly £5.71 per day for 14 days to spend or ...
if you remove tax and expenses that's about £2.30 to play with per day for 14 days. (not exact but just for arguments sake)
Well the first time I had a job ever as an indy it was a no show. So you made more than me. I paid £30 for the room, £5 for travel. I didn't want the room provider out of pocket. See how it goes, learning experience, gain confidence and all that.
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I wish £80 per hour for me . That’s good as they have high overheads so I get the rate but.. independent is higher so I understand. Maybe that’s why it seems so much stress get ready night before hair shave then next day travel around hour and half there and back. It is secure place though but worked out after tax and expenses it would be £45 an hour. With my anxiety I don’t think I could handle branching out on own I don’t have to worry about vetting them or hiding money ect and the security
What exactly do they do with the cash, and what security do they offer?
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So I re-calculate, you made roughly £5.71 per 14 days to spend or half that eg £2.30 with tax and expenses removed.
Well the first time I had a job ever as an indy it was a no show. So you made more than me. I paid £30 for the room, £5 for travel. I didn't want the room provider out of pocket. See how it goes, learning experience, gain confidence and all that.
Yes been offered longer appointments but not on my day. I would rather do one day a month few hours earn a bit then come home and forget about it for a few weeks
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What exactly do they do with the cash, and what security do they offer?
Locked premises and CCTV ect
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Yes been offered longer appointments but not on my day. I would rather do one day a month few hours earn a bit then come home and forget about it for a few weeks
I don't mean this unkindly, but it doesn't really sound like escorting is a good choice for you?
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I don't mean this unkindly, but it doesn't really sound like escorting is a good choice for you?
Yea, by forget about it for a few weeks, do you mean, OP, that you effectively need to 'get over it'? Prostitution is one of those things that some people are cool about doing and as long as they have autonomy to make choices within it, it doesn't impact their wellbeing. But for some people prostitution is really something they don't want to do and as with all instances of doing something sexual you don't want to do this can negatively impact your well being. If you are placing such a restriction on your working hour possibilities this isn't really an issue about the agency per se.
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Yea, by forget about it for a few weeks, do you mean, OP, that you effectively need to 'get over it'? Prostitution is one of those things that some people are cool about doing and as long as they have autonomy to make choices within it, it doesn't impact their wellbeing. But for some people prostitution is really something they don't want to do and as with all instances of doing something sexual you don't want to do this can negatively impact your well being. If you are placing such a restriction on your working hour possibilities this isn't really an issue about the agency per se.
Yes know agency been good to me. With me I live same boring life so when I don’t watch my soaps on certain night for example it throws me out of my comfort zone. It’s not that I feel bad on appointments I enjoy myself. I just feel so bad and think how would I feel if my family found out
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I don't mean this unkindly, but it doesn't really sound like escorting is a good choice for you?
It’s because I overthink every scenario in my head and it’s draining In life in general. If I was wired up right then yes probably would be more for me