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SamIAm

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Agencies for non-model types?
« on: 06 September 2014, 12:38:46 pm »
Hi everyone,

I've launched a new higher end GFE persona, and I'm also considering whether to take up a listing with some agencies under that persona as I am not getting a lot of inquiries. I'm quite nervous about this as I know they can't screen as well as I can. Plus, I don't look like a model like so many of the women I see on agency sites - I'm petite with relatively short hair. I'm fit but not skinny. There is one agency I found that seems to have a couple of non-standard looking women but they have lower rates than the others. Sigh...

I know we're not allowed to promote or discuss specific agencies on the board, but if anyone has recommendations or thoughts on this, please feel free to PM me. Or, if you have thoughts that don't name any specific agencies, please feel free to respond in the usual way. I did a keyword search on the forum and it looks like most questions about agencies have had zero responses, so I didn't get any info that way. I thought it was still worth posting, just in case!

I'd be very grateful for any tips on this! :)
« Last Edit: 06 September 2014, 01:12:35 pm by saucysophia »

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Re: Agencies for non-model types?
« Reply #1 on: 06 September 2014, 07:15:11 pm »
Why don't you look at other ways of advertising yourself first before giving YOUR hard earned money away to an agency? They are only doing what you can do yourself without the hard work AND they don't need to get naked! Plus, what if you're 'under the weather' or fancy a day off? Refuse to go out and they'll not use you.

Book a photo shoot, set up your own website and put yourself out there. Like any other business it takes time, effort and advertising.

I can't imagine going to a gent I haven't spoken to.  :o  The only person who can screen clients appropriately is ME.  Also, decide how many clients you need/want to see in a week. I only average three a week but that's all I want for now.

There's loads of information on here about advertising.


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Re: Agencies for non-model types?
« Reply #2 on: 06 September 2014, 08:03:24 pm »
Why don't you look at other ways of advertising yourself first before giving YOUR hard earned money away to an agency? They are only doing what you can do yourself without the hard work AND they don't need to get naked! Plus, what if you're 'under the weather' or fancy a day off? Refuse to go out and they'll not use you.

Book a photo shoot, set up your own website and put yourself out there. Like any other business it takes time, effort and advertising.

I can't imagine going to a gent I haven't spoken to.  :o  The only person who can screen clients appropriately is ME.  Also, decide how many clients you need/want to see in a week. I only average three a week but that's all I want for now.

There's loads of information on here about advertising.

Thanks, but I have a site with an excellent photoshoot, and have spent a load of money on advertising (on the sites recommended on this forum) in the past couple of months with no return whatsoever. My other sex worker friends have told me my site and my photos are great, so I don't understand what the issue is. I appreciate your reply, but despite saying I'd launched a new persona, it seems you assumed I didn't have a site, or photos, or done any advertising, or had looked elsewhere on the site re advertising. I have done all of those things and am not having any luck, hence my question about agencies.

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Re: Agencies for non-model types?
« Reply #3 on: 06 September 2014, 08:22:53 pm »
I would imagine Lucie came to the conclusion she did (as did I), because you didn't include any of that information in your thread starter - we often have people complaining about not getting enough work having put their rates up (which is the other assumption I made from your thread starter) and turn out to have an Adultwork profile and nothing else.

Either way she was trying to help, and there's no need to be quite so defensive. Back on topic, have you tried asking your regulars/other clients what they think? Sometimes we spend so long getting things how we like them we can miss things, and whilst what fellow prossies think can be some help, they're not the ones who are going to be booking you :).

In terms of PMs re agencies, it would probably help if you gave people some idea of where you are?
« Last Edit: 06 September 2014, 08:28:07 pm by amy »

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Re: Agencies for non-model types?
« Reply #4 on: 06 September 2014, 08:45:34 pm »
I would imagine Lucie came to the conclusion she did (as did I), because you didn't include any of that information in your thread starter - we often have people complaining about not getting enough work having put their rates up (which is the other assumption I made from your thread starter) and turn out to have an Adultwork profile and nothing else.

Either way she was trying to help, and there's no need to be quite so defensive. Back on topic, have you tried asking your regulars/other clients what they think? Sometimes we spend so long getting things how we like them we can miss things, and whilst what fellow prossies think can be some help, they're not the ones who are going to be booking you :).

In terms of PMs re agencies, it would probably help if you gave people some idea of where you are?

Sorry for being defensive - I was surprised though. if I read that someone had launched a new persona and hadn't been getting any inquiries, I would have assumed they at least had a website and had been advertising and trying to put themselves out there. That being said, I haven't been on this board long so I haven't seen other posts of this variety where maybe all people had done was create a new AW profile.

In response to your suggestion, I don't have any regulars/other clients to ask, really. I've gotten a few inquiries, and no bookings from them as they were timewasters. I do have a couple regulars from my previous persona, but I don't want to tell them I've launched something new with new rates and new services and be identifiable to them in that way. I don't want to do my old persona anymore, as it was fetish work, and I've decided it's not good for me to provide that anymore. So I am weaning away from that and trying something else, but so far it's not really working.

Oh, I'm in London! Sorry, I hadn't realised that this site was outside of England, as I'd only been referred to it by SWers in London. I've only just now realised that, but I should have included it in the first place, anyway - not sure why I didn't.
« Last Edit: 06 September 2014, 09:13:39 pm by saucysophia »

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Re: Agencies for non-model types?
« Reply #5 on: 06 September 2014, 10:40:36 pm »
I do have a couple regulars from my previous persona, but I don't want to tell them I've launched something new with new rates and new services and be identifiable to them in that way. .. So I am weaning away from that and trying something else, but so far it's not really working.

There can obviously be good reasons for doing this, but it's doing it the hard way as you're discovering. You've gone from someone with a reputation good enough to have regular clients to being Yet Another New Escort..

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Oh, I'm in London!

.. in a big city with lots of them. You're also charging more than many of them - I'm presuming that's what "higher end" translates as - which is another reason to ensure that you have really good answers to the question 'why should I book you?'.

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Sorry, I hadn't realised that this site was outside of England, as I'd only been referred to it by SWers in London. I've only just now realised that, but I should have included it in the first place, anyway - not sure why I didn't.

Even if it was limited, there's more to the UK than London :)
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Re: Agencies for non-model types?
« Reply #6 on: 06 September 2014, 11:05:46 pm »
I do have a couple regulars from my previous persona, but I don't want to tell them I've launched something new with new rates and new services and be identifiable to them in that way. .. So I am weaning away from that and trying something else, but so far it's not really working.

There can obviously be good reasons for doing this, but it's doing it the hard way as you're discovering. You've gone from someone with a reputation good enough to have regular clients to being Yet Another New Escort..

Yeah, I had sort of stupidly thought by a couple of months of advertising that I'd have at least a couple of bookings, but I haven't. I actually moved from London to a different country last year, just as I was getting established in my previous persona here, then had to re-establish myself in that other country all over again and that was a long, painful process. Now I'm doing it *yet again* since I've moved back to London. (There are other, external reasons for me moving so much, and I'm not planning to do it again.) I only have a couple of clients in London left over from my previous stint here who I could see anyway, so I didn't have much of a reputation here for my old fetish persona anyway. I guess I'm just surprised that I haven't had any actual bookings at this point, and almost no inquiries.

Oh, I'm in London!

.. in a big city with lots of them. You're also charging more than many of them - I'm presuming that's what "higher end" translates as - which is another reason to ensure that you have really good answers to the question 'why should I book you?'.

Yeah, I have a super professional well put-together site, some great photos, but I'm not "model" pretty. I don't look like a lot of other higher end escorts, which may work either against me or for. I'm still trying to understand the London market, as it's pretty different from the other country I recently moved from (where I'd had most of my SW career to date). I have a blog I write in regularly (well, have started to write in regularly) about my intellectual interests and to showcase my personality (or my persona's personality, lol). But a lot of women have all of these things. Beyond that I'm not sure what I can do to stand out. I guess I just need to wait longer, but it feels painful to shell out the money for advertising. At this point my persona is costing me a lot and not making me anything. I of course had to wait and be patient when launching my original persona too, but I started getting bookings relatively quickly for her.

Sorry, I hadn't realised that this site was outside of England, as I'd only been referred to it by SWers in London. I've only just now realised that, but I should have included it in the first place, anyway - not sure why I didn't.

Even if it was limited, there's more to the UK than London :)

Very true, which is why I said I should have mentioned it anyway  ;)

Going forward I need to work a lot less and make at least what I was making before and hopefully more, due to my studies. This is why I wanted to launch a pricier rate. As mentioned I also don't want to do fetish/BDSM work anymore as I find that whole dynamic extremely hard on my mental health/sanity/etc, so that is another reason for doing this.

A friend recently asked if I'd consider working for an agency under the new persona, which is why I'm looking into it.
« Last Edit: 07 September 2014, 08:30:47 am by saucysophia »

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Re: Agencies for non-model types?
« Reply #7 on: 07 September 2014, 01:08:23 pm »
You haven't mentioned whether you were doing any incalls? If I didn't do incalls I would barely get any work.

I just book hotels for a few days and offer incalls. This will definitely increase your bookings.

On agencies, I am completely indie but used to work alongside agencies as well. I worked for 3 London agencies when touring London and I would get more no shows with the agencies than working indie. I had like 2 or 3 extra bookings, but i quit all the agencies in the end and put extra effort into my own advertising and touring different areas.

Again if you join agencies there is no guarantee of work. And they often require you provide incalls and favour girls that are practically avail 24/7.

I would also take a look at your competition in the area and rates. Clients will pay extra money for agency girls as they expect it to be more expensive than indie rates. They know the score about agency ladies having to pay a cut to the agency. But some clients don't like paying agency rates for indie escorts.

It's up to you what rates you want to charge, but find a rate that you're happy with and will attract more clients. Also London is super competitive.  don't often tour there anymore as there is so much competition. Maybe consider other areas?

Just a few suggestions.




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Re: Agencies for non-model types?
« Reply #8 on: 07 September 2014, 02:42:52 pm »
Saucysophia, can you post your website and our add? Maybe there is something not  right with your website or somethig that is off putting that you are just not getting any work? It's really uusaual that with pro fotos and website you don't get any work. Let us have a look :)
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« Reply #9 on: 07 September 2014, 03:01:07 pm »
If the OP is trying to get rid of an old 'persona' and start with a new one I doubt she wants to publicly identify herself, or she would have done so already.

We don't expect anybody to reveal their work persona here and it's not appropriate to ask them to. Posting links to your ads isn't permitted anyway; that's what the space on your Forum Profile is for.

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« Reply #10 on: 07 September 2014, 03:59:17 pm »
Okey, PM then.

One more thing. You are unlikely to find an agency if you are curvy. I am a XXL girl and really none of agency gave me work. I went indie and then got plenty of regulars who keep me working even when I don't have new clients. I am making new regulars very quickly, cause there are  not so many girls those type. Agencies are promoting what is acceptable in society atm. So, I woudn't bother really to search them. The best is to go indie, good luck with that!
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« Reply #11 on: 07 September 2014, 11:25:48 pm »
When I first wanted to go back into the industry I checked out the local parlours and nearly shat myself because all the girls looked like they were out of a modelling agency. I eventually bit the bullet and phoned the place, guess what, a load of gorgeous but normal girls walked through the door plus some not so gorgeous girls too. They were all just a bunch of ordinary girls, some had amazing bodies, some didnt, but they had profession pictures which is what I saw, I was unaware of skin touching up or air brushing or hair brightening and teeth whitening editing in those days x

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« Reply #12 on: 08 September 2014, 11:03:24 am »
I am very big nowadays and would never be hired by any agency, lol. Most of that I got many regulars, that are really happy to find something that not so much girls have. When you have something on your body that stands out just use t. I don't mean to be not nice, but the last thing I would like to be in this industry this days is to be skinny looking blond with average breasts when you have just plenty of them, when you just check the advert ma of them would take the same person, just in diffret posstion/clothes.
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Re: Agencies for non-model types?
« Reply #13 on: 10 September 2014, 12:55:36 pm »
I know agencies get a lot of bad press around here, and what's right for one person will be wrong for another, so I wanted to share my experience with an agency so that others considering this can see how it was for me.

Firstly I think it depends on the agency what size and look they like - I've seen some on line that have photos where the girls look like supermodels, I actually didn't believe they were escorts at first until I read reviews from clients who had used them who never mentioned it being bait and switch so it must be correct.

So the agency I worked for is in Edinburgh.  I phoned up looking for a job and was accepted to start that night.  I expected bookings fairly quickly, as the agency is well established and I thought the lady would be sensitive to the fact that if I'd gone to work for an agency I must be in need of money so would give me a booking to get me started.  Well I was wrong, she made me wait 3 weeks for a booking despite there having been plenty of jobs.  I spoke to a few other girls who worked for her who'd also had this experience, we suspect it's to make sure you're going to stay and be loyal, but we don't really know.

Work wise, I'd see maybe 3 clients for an hour each on a good week, all outcall.  There was only one week I made really good money and that was a total fluke - I went to see a client who kept extending the time.   

Here are the things that looking back stick in my throat about it.

Firstly, the hourly rate was ?160.  From that, the agency fee was ?60.  They had an in house griver that you had to use, and if it was a job within the town he charged ?20 - even if the job was 5 minutes away, and you generally had to use them.  I've been in situations where I've been outside hotels, and there has been a queue of taxis looking for fares, and the taxi would have cost ?5 to my house, but I've had to stand and wait on the driver and pay ?10 one way to get home.  So if you were doing a job in town, you only got to keep 50% of what you'd made, despite you being the one that did 99,99% of the work!  (the 0.01% is taking the phone call!)  The lady I worked for would also sometimes agree reduced rates with clients to get a job, but she always took the same agency fee!  So you had to do a job for less money, which you hadn't agreed to. As I see it, if we take a cut on our normal fee, that should be because WE have decided to give a discount for whatever reason, and that alone.

Also she said all the clients were checked out - they weren't.  Nobody in hotels were ever called back to check they were there, we were sent to houses miles from anywhere in the middle of the night only on the strength of a mobile number.  There were also a lot of knock backs as she would tell them you were whatever they wanted to try to get the job.  The amount of jobs that were timewasters, where there was nobody home, the address didn't exist or they didn't answer the door was unbelievable. I remember being in a house one night at some stupid time like 4am with an extremely weird guy and starting to freak out, she didn't even know the guys name - her answer was 'they never tell you their real name for house calls anyway!' (This was the first nail in the coffin of my time there!)   There were many instances where girls would get to a house to find more than 1 guy there....she even agreed to jobs where there would be 1 girl and multiple guys having the booking together - she even failed to tell a new girl about this till she was outside the door of the house once.  Agencies will pretend they are bothered about your safety, but in my experience they are only bothered about their cut. 

Then there are the hours.  As other girls have said, you really have to be on call all night every night.  I have a day job too, so I was finding it really difficult going to these jobs at 3 and 4am.  Most of them are last minute, so you would be at home in bed asleep at 3am, she would text you with a job and you'd be expected to get up and ready and be with the guy within 30 minutes.  If you didn't wake up for the text, you wouldn't get any jobs for a few weeks as punishment.

Finally, there are the politics.  I'm sure other agencies are different, but the lady I worked for used to get upset with you for next to no reason, and you wouldn't get any jobs for a while.  If someone new started who'd befriended her or who she liked (I'm just me, I don't play those kinds of games) they would get all the jobs.  So you wouldn't hear anything from her for maybe a week because she was upset with you, then you'd get a text at 3am with a rubbish job for next to no money in the middle of nowhere and as above, be expected to get up and get there within half an hour.

For me, the experience of being indy has been totally different to the agency experience, I'm only kicking myself that I didn't work for myself all along!  I make more money and I chose my own hours, I'm accountable only to me and I make my own decisions for what's right for me.  I also know that my clients are vetted properly!  Also I can knock back anyone I don't like the sound of.  Knowing what I know now, I'd never work for an agency again...I'm sure other girls have other experiences, but if there is a girl with a story of working for an agency and being supported, treated fairly, being able to keep a fair proportion of her income and having a good experience, I'd love to hear it but I never have.  I can understand total newbies saying they feel safer working for an agency so at least they feel they have some back up, but for me, it doesn't make any sense.  I can imagine if you've been indy going back to being agency would be unbelievably tough.

Best of luck whatever you decide to do.

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