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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Strawberrygirl on 22 September 2018, 05:42:44 pm
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Hi!
I had a client who underpaid me a significant amount. Does anyone have experience of (trying to) getting money back from someone who didn't pay or underpaid? If the amount was lower I'd probably just let it go, but its a significant amount and I have a lot of personal info and contacts for this guy.
Grateful for any comments here or through DM.
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Do a search here for other people's experience, but..
.. the courts won't enforce sex-based contracts, so ignore anyone who suggests suing;
.. don't do anything that the police would interpret as blackmail;
.. he may have committed one of the fraud offences, but the police are unlikely to be interested unless you can find the others he's done this to.
How did they pay?
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Why do you know so much about him, is he a regular?
Any chance he made a mistake and you could say to him.
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Why do you know so much about him, is he a regular?
Any chance he made a mistake and you could say to him.
It was an outcall and the OP has posted in Warnings about it, so she'll have sensibly done proper security checks before she went and got the information when she did :). Less sensibly, she agreed to extend the booking without being paid upfront and as a result of that there's pretty much nothing anybody can do about it now, for the reasons Ian has posted already.
It's a valuable lesson that an awful lot of people learn (and I daresay our Warnings board would be a lot shorter if they didn't), but it's a mistake nobody makes twice. All anybody can do is be thankful they're safe and unharmed, and make sure it never happens again. And warn others, which at least might prevent it happening to somebody else :).
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Some of us are a bit long in the tooth here, myself included (don't shout at or shoot me please) so know that an underpaying man is not something we will likely encounter as we ensure full and correct payment is made at the right time ie before they get to do the do with us.
If it is an extended booking and they say will pay the difference, get it FIRST and never mind if you feel it could spoil those beautiful moments. I have been there and done that, client books and pays for one hour then asks to extend as that hour is almost up (insert your own circumstances here) and feel awkward asking and expecting him to *get up off the bed and fumble through his wallet.
Not doing the * could easily mean he suddenly realises he only brought enough cash for the original planned duration and you end up out of pocket.
Once bitten twice shy is the phrase I think.
Gather your guts and ask him nicely to settle the extra payment before the time extension begins and if he doesn't like it then he shall be lumping it.
Nothing enforceable legality wise I doubt and the case in hand is one to be written off to experience and not to be repeated. Yes I read the warning in the other section so know what this lady is referring to.
Submitted this post before reading the above. Same comments apply.
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This is why payment has to be upfront, or accept the loss if he doesn't pay up at the end.
The sex contract is unenforceable so no come back if someone doesn't cough up.
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Hi everyone, and thank you for the input. I guess I'll just have to take this as a lesson for the future. Have reported him everywhere so at least that's put my mind at ease a bit. x
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I had someone underpay recently, but I think it was an accident as he came back with it after I let him know.
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Hi!
I had a client who underpaid me a significant amount. Does anyone have experience of (trying to) getting money back from someone who didn't pay or underpaid? If the amount was lower I'd probably just let it go, but its a significant amount and I have a lot of personal info and contacts for this guy.
Grateful for any comments here or through DM.
When this has happened to me and they’ve rebooked, I dock it off their time without telling them :)
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Hi everyone, and thank you for the input. I guess I'll just have to take this as a lesson for the future. Have reported him everywhere so at least that's put my mind at ease a bit. x
You could tell him you have passed it on to security/ debt collectors and they will be paying him a visit to collect. It worked for a friend of mine with an arsehole and she got a male to contact him he ended up paying up. Might be worth a try.
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You could tell him you have passed it on to security/ debt collectors and they will be paying him a visit to collect. It worked for a friend of mine with an arsehole and she got a male to contact him he ended up paying up. Might be worth a try.
I really wouldn't advise that, he could get the hump and take it our on you physically.
It's horrible not being paid for the work you have done, but sadly I would just say chalk this up to experience, no one makes this mistake twice. And we/most of us myself included, have let a regular pay at end or not counted the money to be short changed.
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Before going independent I worked in a brothel and gradually I noticed as time went on I became the only woman working there as he other girls all left!
The reason was because the madam was a pretty vile character who it soon became apparent was taking advantage of the ladies. She was very much into money and it wouldn’t be unusual to turn up to a shift to find her not there and no phones either ( she had a compulsive gambling habit and would be spending the money in the casino)
I was in a poor situation at the time as I hadn’t dreamed of going independent and was unsure where to find a new place to work. My previous place in Chelsea has closed so I was desperate to work.
Anyway this woman was also illegally in the country and had been an ex WG now madam. She was also heavily pregnant and used to service clients to fund her gambling addiction.
A few times she would not pay your cut of the money as she owed money to card boys etc.
Looking back I wonder why I put up with it.
Anyway one night she brought some guy back with here from the casino who was high on coke and she made it her priority to rinse him of every last penny he had.
At one point she even brought in a plate with white powder in it and took £60 from him but the powder was 100%!paracetamol but he was so messed up he barely noticed.
She refused as her duty as a madam to go to the cashpoint blaming the fact she was pregnant and tired and allowed me rather foolishly to work on trust that at the end of the session he would pay if I accompanied him.
He basically on going to the cash point tried to escape me on the Edgware Road and I literally had to drag him back to the flat to explain to her. He confessed he had no money left but would pay another time.
Bullshit.
My fault for being gullible and trusting and also that of the madam who had fleeced him in such a way that she was happy with the money she had already made from him.
I put it down to experience but would never ever trust a client again. No matter how regular they are or how long I’ve known them
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There isn't really anything you can do, other than refuse to see him again without transferring the lost earnings, or insisting in fixed pay with the lost pay on the next meet.
I would just say in the future, get all the potential earning up front, or pause to get paid if they want to extend. Don't continue unless you have cash in your hand.
There is nothing earned by using what you know about him other than to post a warning (like you have done), as the police won't take any notice. But if you haven't you should consider also reporting him to NUM (national ugly mugs), which has a pretty broad reach. Anything like outing could lead to a lot of problems for you. Best to keep it discrete.
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A few months ago my friend had a regular extend the session and said he would bank transfer the cash after the meet.
Surprise surprise, he didn't, and was ignoring my friend's texts and not picking up her calls.
I phoned him on her behalf and just said "Hi, you saw my friend X yesterday and agreed to do a bank transfer immediately after the booking, which you haven't done. Why is that please?" He stuttered and then said "Oh I forgot." I said "Well let's do it now then shall we?" and made him stay on the line while he did it.
Total idiot, is now obviously blacklisted but has tried to book again on numerous occasions. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, he knew how good the pussy was but for the sake of £80 he's now lost access to it forever.
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I really wouldn't advise that, he could get the hump and take it our on you physically.
If he has even half a brain he'll just laugh his head off. Most people know that you can't just call a bailiff/debt collector and demand they go and take money from people because you want them to - the paperwork (including court orders and such) is horrific and the process takes forever, or at least with legally enforceable debts it does. Since this isn't a legally enforceable debt, it wouldn't take long at all because any legit debt collector wouldn't string you along and would tell you straight out that there's nothing they can do.
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If he has even half a brain he'll just laugh his head off. Most people know that you can't just call a bailiff/debt collector and demand they go and take money from people because you want them to - the paperwork (including court orders and such) is horrific and the process takes forever, or at least with legally enforceable debts it does. Since this isn't a legally enforceable debt, it wouldn't take long at all because any legit debt collector wouldn't string you along and would tell you straight out that there's nothing they can do.
She did not mean those kind of debt collectors. But it worked when he got a call off a man he paid up. Not saying it is ideal for everyone to go down that route at all or even saying that would work with everybody but some have resorted to that method and they got the money back.
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This is so strange to me. Can you tell me why you would not get the money up front?
Always get AND count your money up front.
No matter what.
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Once bitten, twice shy.
I was ripped off by a regular of 5yrs who I'd been seeing 3-4 times a month. The last time I saw him he arrived and convincingly told me he'd forgotten to pop to the cash machine in his panic to get to me in rush hour traffic. As I'd seen him hundreds of times I told him he could pay me the following week. Never saw the guy ever again. So, don't let your guard down even with your most trusted regulars.
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We've all been there in one way or another. The worst one for me was a few years ago, client had booked and hour, he arrived and gave me the cash all folded up, I didn't count it and put it in my drawer. We got down to business, finished all the sex stuff arkund midway and then lay chatting for a further 20 min or so before he got showered and left, bang on 1 hour. After he left I counted the cash to find my half house rate, which was £60 less than my hour. I text him immediately and he did reply saying he wated to reduce to 30 mins and just thought I wasnt being a clockwatcher when I allowed him to stay a further 30 mins. He made no mention prior or during of reducing the appointment so the prick knew fine well what he was doing and because I was new, he got away with it. That one sits deep with me.
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This is so strange to me. Can you tell me why you would not get the money up front?
Always get AND count your money up front.
No matter what.
It happens, all of us have a brain fart at some point. I had one this week, luckily it's a good reg and he transferred the cash to me when I realised after he'd left that I forgot to get the payment.
Don't blame her for trusting the guy, shit happens, it's not her fault.
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Also, if they ever want to extend the session but they have no cash on them I get them to PayPal or bank transfer the money to me whilst we’re in the booking. You don’t have to give your real name for bank transfer (the bank doesn’t check it), just your sort code and account number. Also you can create a paypal with a work email address.
Hope this helps for future reference.
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Also, if they ever want to extend the session but they have no cash on them I get them to PayPal or bank transfer the money to me whilst we’re in the booking. You don’t have to give your real name for bank transfer (the bank doesn’t check it), just your sort code and account number. Also you can create a paypal with a work email address.
Hope this helps for future reference.
Remember PayPal have a policy re adultservices so using a work email may not be wise.
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And even if they didn't, they give refunds to buyers, taking the money back from you.
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And even if they didn't, they give refunds to buyers, taking the money back from you.
They do and I've recently been able to retract a Friends and Family payment, although it hadn't supposedly technically reached them.