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Re: Ad Directories - Is there room for more?
« Reply #45 on: 26 January 2009, 03:31:48 am »
Sorry, just one more then i am definately going to sleep. 

what about the legalities of running a site like this?  where do you stand on that?  what are the legal implications of owning a site??

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Re: Ad Directories - Is there room for more?
« Reply #46 on: 26 January 2009, 12:14:34 pm »
Hi Lexie,

Marketing will be implemented pretty much as many already do, via the net, links and known reputable sources.  Early days yet though..I'll let you know how its going.

Thanks for the feedback, appreciated

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Re: Ad Directories - Is there room for more?
« Reply #47 on: 26 January 2009, 07:40:32 pm »
Bloody hell you really are like  politician.  its like pulling teeth to get a detailed answer from you.  :)

 I tried to point out that I, and i am sure many other ladies get these sort of emails all the time.  I tend to bin alot of them straight from the email.  IF they even get passed that stage and i open the link to the site to have a look its usually because i have 2mins to kill rather than genuine curiosity.  I still havent ever signed up with a directory just because they sent me an email.... especially ones that charge.

If you sent me an email and said you were so brand new that you didnt have anyone on the directory yet, there is no way i would give you my details Just as i wouldnt send you my banner.  Remember, from where we are sitting you are just some bloke we have never heard of, cant even find in other directories or on google.  You say you have worked for 3 years but how the hell do we know thats true??  You could be just yet another punter who thinks it looks like easy money but doesnt really have a clue.

My point.... WHY should anyone trust you and put forward their details to get listed on your site?  Do you have any other of your escort mates you mentioned before already on there?  How do you plan to fill the pages initially?  Do you plan to 'borrow' pics and profiles of other escorts to fill it initially?

I'm just playing devils advocate here but surely you can see my point?  If you have worked for 3 years surely you know every scam in the book by now and can understand my scepticism??  If you were known to people and had a reputation in the business i wouldnt question you atall but no one has heard of you or can even find you and i think that is whats going to contribute to making this so hard for you. 

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Re: Ad Directories - Is there room for more?
« Reply #48 on: 26 January 2009, 07:45:26 pm »
Hi Ricardo,
Having read through the tread I am still confused, so please forgive me for grilling you further

Yes, Amy is right, you didn't really answer my question- I was asking what demographic of punter and escort you are aiming this directory towards.

I only ask because you mentioned that you wanted to take a "fresh approach" to creating a directory- and so I assumed you were suggesting here that the idea of creating a directory which was a free for all, would lead to it becoming "just another directory" and failing before it began, which I totally agree with. Therefore, I wanted to know how you would be different to the rest- what can you offer that is not already out there?

Well, looking at the global trend, would aim it to both local and national areas.  The idea would be to offer something a little more than whats on offer such as a greater control over over the listing instead of waiting for admin to respond.

To be honest Ric, that would not be my greatest concern as escort, so what other advantages would you offer? Also that reply doesn't answer what demographic of punter you are aiming this directory towards, which would be more of a clincher in ensuring our confidence.


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I only ask because you mentioned that you wanted to take a "fresh approach" to creating a directory- and so I assumed you were suggesting here that the idea of creating a directory which was a free for all, would lead to it becoming "just another directory" and failing before it began, which I totally agree with. Therefore, I wanted to know how you would be different to the rest- what can you offer that is not already out there?
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Well, looking at the global trend, would aim it to both local and national areas.   The idea would be to offer something a little more than whats on offer such as a greater control over over the listing instead of waiting for admin to respond.

I think on google nowadays, there is a lot to be said for a clear marketing strategy, creating a USP, and aiming a directory towards specific groups, because then you are more likely to rank higher for a specific few things, rather than lower for a hundred different things. I'm thinking, for example, is there a BDSM only directory, or say, a directory only for Wolverhampton escorts?

Agreed, aim towards specific groups.

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So which area do you mean global meaning worldwide, national or local and if local which area?
Also which groups would you aim at, would you have a separate directory for each group?


I think on google nowadays, there is a lot to be said for a clear marketing strategy, creating a USP, and aiming a directory towards specific groups, because then you are more likely to rank higher for a specific few things, rather than lower for a hundred different things. I'm thinking, for example, is there a BDSM only directory, or say, a directory only for Wolverhampton escorts?


Would you share yours with us?


Appreciate your views and to a point I agree. Sure it will be a uphill battle in terms of 'confidence' in a new directory but like many, rather than just have a plain link directory with pages and pages of banners, offer something a little more special, more constructive and easy to use.  Now, if it happens that this gathers pace in terms of popularity then I hope that those links/banners would benefit.

I actally don't know of sites like that, most of them charge a premium for us to have a banner in a prominent place and the basic ad is a description of ourselves and services and rates with a link to our own site or a contact number or email contact, this is all free and often you can include a picture for free. So what would that little more special be?


I think it would help this discussion to move forward if we could see an example of your directory so far, so we could test it out for ourselves and make suggestions accordingly.

This will be available soon, just finishing up some loose ends and working out banner targeting for cities and towns etc etc

Really look forward to seeing it, as it will probably dispell all of our concerns.

On a personal note, are you of italian descent?
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Re: Ad Directories - Is there room for more?
« Reply #49 on: 26 January 2009, 08:13:07 pm »
Hi,

Can't find me on Google Lexie?...

Searching for : Professional Male Escort

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=professional+male+escort&start=10&sa=N

Sure I understand the skepticisms, no problem with that, this does not phase me at all so no worries ;-)

You go ahead and ask all you want, happy to answer as I can...in between the development

Ricardo

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« Reply #50 on: 26 January 2009, 08:27:29 pm »
Hi Cassie,

Thanks for that,

I actally don't know of sites like that, most of them charge a premium for us to have a banner in a prominent place and the basic ad is a description of ourselves and services and rates with a link to our own site or a contact number or email contact, this is all free and often you can include a picture for free. So what would that little more special be?

The listings would be free, additional ad banners would not be,these would also be targeted ads for each area.  I have to remember this all started with me being asked for a links area which has grown to a directory level. There are other aspects to this development and hopefully, when completed, you can see for yourself.

Obviously its down to personal choice right?...If an escort likes it and feels that he/she would benefit from it, great.  But, if this heads toward a more commercial direction it needs to be maintained, and like all services, there will be a fee after all,  no such thing as a free lunch huh? ;-).

It's not my initial intention to have a full blown business directory at all.  However, if it becomes popular, great for all listed and if this were the case, a marketing strategy would be implemented.

Really look forward to seeing it, as it will probably dispel all of our concerns.

So do i!...sooo much work already.

On a personal note, are you of Italian descent?

Yes, Italian/English

If I missed anything be sure to let me know...

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« Reply #51 on: 26 January 2009, 08:29:08 pm »
Here's some stuff Ricardo has missed:

My point.... WHY should anyone trust you and put forward their details to get listed on your site?  Do you have any other of your escort mates you mentioned before already on there?  How do you plan to fill the pages initially?  Do you plan to 'borrow' pics and profiles of other escorts to fill it initially?

I'm just playing devils advocate here but surely you can see my point?  If you have worked for 3 years surely you know every scam in the book by now and can understand my scepticism??  If you were known to people and had a reputation in the business i wouldnt question you at all but no one has heard of you or can even find you and i think that is whats going to contribute to making this so hard for you. 

I agree completely, not that Ricardo would know as he apparently cannot see my posts. after all, it couldn't possibly be that he just doesn't understand the questions, now could it?

Carla wanted to know which punter demographic this would be aimed at - this question has been put three times now and avoided each time, because he clearly has no idea. Instead we have glib, 'management-speak' type soundbites about 'global trends', and so on. Can Ricardo please detail the source reports and findings that he has based these statements on?

There are already many sites which allow us to update our profiles, text and other details whenever we like - Adultwork being the obvious one but many of the smaller ones do too; Select an Escort being a good example; I've just updated my listing and it took minutes. In addition, Adultwork has the facility to search not only by town/city but actually by postcode as well as as every other possible parameter you can think of right down to tit measurements, so why he thinks that his idea is 'new', is anyones guess. Could it possibly be because he knows nothing about the industry whatsoever?

I have just tried 'professional male escort' in Google and went through the first 8 pages before I gave up - even if he is there somewhere, no-one is going to look even that far, let alone further. As several of us have tried and failed to find him on search engines and directories, doubtless using at least a few different keywords, how are we supposed to take his vague platitudes about marketing strategies seriously when he cannot even successfully apply them to his own advertising? I have brought this up already and expect about as close to a straight answer now as I got then.

As for plagiarising other people's profile texts, surely not. The kind of lazy, despicable scum that would steal the hard work of others and pass it off as their own would surely never have the nerve to post on here. After all, they would be found out very quickly ;D.


EDIT: Found him! He's 81st, if anyones interested.

« Last Edit: 26 January 2009, 08:31:55 pm by amy »

Ricardo

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« Reply #52 on: 26 January 2009, 08:37:52 pm »
Hi Lexie,

I tried to point out that I, and i am sure many other ladies get these sort of emails all the time.  I tend to bin alot of them straight from the email.  IF they even get passed that stage and i open the link to the site to have a look its usually because i have 2mins to kill rather than genuine curiosity.  I still havent ever signed up with a directory just because they sent me an email.... especially ones that charge.

Noted...all choices

If you sent me an email and said you were so brand new that you didnt have anyone on the directory yet, there is no way i would give you my details Just as i wouldnt send you my banner.  Remember, from where we are sitting you are just some bloke we have never heard of, cant even find in other directories or on google.  You say you have worked for 3 years but how the hell do we know thats true??  You could be just yet another punter who thinks it looks like easy money but doesnt really have a clue.

Noted, and by return, your a woman who I too have never heard of and cannot find on search engines, does his means I too should be skeptical about your persona? ;-)

I take you as you are..unless you prove otherwise...I expect the same.

My point.... WHY should anyone trust you and put forward their details to get listed on your site?  Do you have any other of your escort mates you mentioned before already on there?  How do you plan to fill the pages initially?  Do you plan to 'borrow' pics and profiles of other escorts to fill it initially?

1) Your choice 2) No, not as yet but they will be in good time 3) Losse marketing at first, promotion, links, search engines 4) No, absolutely not...thats crooked.

I'm just playing devils advocate here but surely you can see my point?  If you have worked for 3 years surely you know every scam in the book by now and can understand my scepticism??  If you were known to people and had a reputation in the business i wouldnt question you atall but no one has heard of you or can even find you and i think that is whats going to contribute to making this so hard for you.
1)Too a point Lexie, yes I do 2) Yes I do which is why I thought of doing this 3) See previous post re my google link 4) Not doing too bad so far hun, the amount of views of my website testifies.

Have I covered all your points now?

P.S Built some banners now, so no need for contributors, thanks to those for consideration anyway ;-)

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« Reply #53 on: 26 January 2009, 08:41:09 pm »
Hi Amy,

Actually, listed a number 20 in Google under the keyword provided

And you?

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« Reply #54 on: 26 January 2009, 08:55:08 pm »

The kind of lazy, despicable scum that would steal the hard work of others and pass it off as their own would surely never have the nerve to post on here. After all, they would be found out very quickly ;D.


 How quick I wonder?

Thank heavens my site isn't fancy enough to knick!  ;D

edit: Hit wrong button also, Obama Yeah!
« Last Edit: 26 January 2009, 08:57:25 pm by Evie »

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Re: Ad Directories - Is there room for more?
« Reply #55 on: 26 January 2009, 09:01:37 pm »
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from: Ricardo on January 24, 2009, 11:13:49 PM
Hi,

Getting to the top of search rankings is all about 'votes' thats how all search engines work.

A 'vote' is counted as a link, so the more backlinks you get the more popular the site becomes as well as visitors.  I know the industry well as its a prime part of what I do to compliment my 'other ' work ;-)


It's a little bit more complicated than that ;) , backlinking is only one part of the formula, which speaks volumes of the "I know the industry well" remark.

As someone who has owned and ran a directory for 7 years, In all that time I can only think of one national one that has come along and stayed the distance and that is AW and the reason is because strictly speaking its not a escort directory but a mish mash of webcam, phonesex, porn pics and escorting, with more clones out their than dolly

You remind me of another west midlands chappie of about 4 years ago, suddenly appearing on the scene claiming this and that, all I say is that his directory site lasted 10 months.

Just this last month or two we have had urbanescorts, dontbeshy, soulmateescorts and escortslocal directories come online, If you want to start another directory then I wish you luck but its no picnic, In my experience you'll find it extremely hard to get the independent ladies to pay any cash to advertise unless you are one of the better known sites with traffic which takes a long time to build up and establish yourself, and then only a few quid a month from each girl, Agencies/parlours are a better advertising target but this means you have to sell your soul and accept payments from unknown origins ( Organised crime syndicates.) got burnt myself end of last year with a high profile London agency that got busted.

With payments, because its an adult site most third party payment processors won't touch you and those that will want to take a higher % of the transaction, leaving you to either take a hit or accept payments into your bank account, which again carries risk.

What type of directory: Regional, national, fetish, BBW.

Regional, probably wont be able to break, LBB or SEP, regional limits your scope though, National directories good luck cracking that lol, fetish side well Fetishlink backed by punterlink has that covered and prettybig has BBW market covered, AW has the seedy side covered, probably not the best time to start thinking of starting a directory from scratch in the current economic market, have you ever emailed the various directories around if they are looking for partners or even to purchase an already established one with traffic and pedigree.




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« Reply #56 on: 26 January 2009, 09:08:02 pm »
Hi Slick,

Never said I was an expert..lol..but I take your point.

I know it is not as easy as I poorly explained to get listed, popularity etc.

This discussion was started on an 'idea' that was put to me by friends etc as many escort sites have a links page, all I originally intended was to have a simple links page but thought to 'expand' it to a little something more.  Certainly by means a 'contender' to existing market place :-)

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« Reply #57 on: 26 January 2009, 09:10:39 pm »
Hi Amy,

Actually, listed a number 20 in Google under the keyword provided

And you?

Not on my computer: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=professional+male+escort&start=80&sa=N Please note the number on the top right-ish. Number 20 when I try it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_prostitution. Anybody else fancy a crack at it? I've got stuff to do, I'm afraid.

Google 'Scarborough escort', 'escort Scarborough' or whatever, why dontcha. My blog's there too. Thanks for asking.

EDIT: In fact, I'll save you the trouble http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scarborough+escort&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB301GB301 xx

« Last Edit: 26 January 2009, 09:12:11 pm by amy »

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« Reply #58 on: 26 January 2009, 09:15:44 pm »
On the google.co.uk version Ricardo is where he said he is. On google.com, he's where Amy said.
Amy, you came up first on the search for you  :)

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« Reply #59 on: 26 January 2009, 09:17:11 pm »
Hi Sasha,

Thanks for that :-)