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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Schwiftysquancher91 on 22 November 2017, 03:36:38 pm
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I was 100 an hour offering a variety of services included. I have put this up recently and I have had literally no interest whatsoever, this happens every time I have changed my prices in the past and have always gone back down to 100 or even 90. I don't charge for any 'extras' and anal is included. It's becoming increasingly annoying as I know a higher price makes more sense for me personally. This isn't a debate on if the price change is justified as I feel like it is the right price considering various comments/opinions and my own intuition. I just don't know why my phones go silent because of this, surly they should increase or still have some flow? I think I am literally selling myself short at such a low price and my profile IMO looks very well presented and all pictures are recent. It's upsetting for me as girls who are like me are offering the prices I have put up and seem to do fine.
Sorry, this is a bit of a woe be me post but I'm more confused than anything!
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It's hard to know without looking at your profile.
If you would like me to have a look you can pm me x
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Did you start off with a low price and keep it for some time? If so then no surprise if you put it up then you will get a lot less interest.
If you keep see sawing up and down it will confuse people, and people will wait for the lower price to return, it?s just human nature.
I understand your frustrations about selling yourself short, but if you put your prices up you probably need to decide to keep them up, and maybe try marketing yourself a bit differently.
If other ladies in your area started off with a higher price that would be why they can maintain their working life in this way. Or sometimes ladies with enough regulars put their prices up and can still do ok.
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Like simplysinful said.. Basically if you are in a set area guys who know you were recently cheaper will try to boycott you to pressure you to put them down again. The only way to win eventually is stick to the new price for a longer amount of time. And yes i am also happy to review your profile, and i am sure modestyblaize could offer some great advice x
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Sometimes you have to stick it out, calls and bookings can also vary for other non-price related reasons. Just see mysecret's thread about AW feedback, I'm not saying that's a reason either - only that can be completely random, coincidence or something else entirely.
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Agree with the girls here. When I first started working for myself I was thrown in at the deep end as the place I was working in the North closed down, I never intended to work independently (not complaining now it's been great). But I had no idea what to price myself at and based it on what they would be paying at the parlour, and also a very short stint I did with an agent in Birmingham. Turned out I was low for the area and the service I was providing. Once I started getting reviews my phone was completely bombarded and I could have done with about three of me to take the bokings.
So in the New Year I put my prices up, only by ?10 (supply and demand). A couple of guys didn't like it and commented about it on other sites and one guy said "I won't be going now out of principle". Well I was already undercharging and like you, wasn't charging any extras (except for a levels). I rode the storm and kept my prices there because they were more than fair and I haven't changed since. I think you need to decide what is fair and also average for the area and your services and stick to that, you may be quiet for a while while they sulk and put their tails between their legs but if you're not charging over the odds and your service is good then there's no reason why they won't come back. You may find your regs test the water with other "cheaper" SPs but they will probably come back - it can be a case of you get what you pay for in this industry.
I stopped offering OWO recently and I did toy with the idea of putting my prices back down but I decided not to because I feel I have a good enough reputation and I'm still less than average. It's worked fine for me sticking to one price. As the others say if you've played with price in the past they may be waiting for you to bring it back down, so maybe put a note saying I will be increasing my price to x amount and this will be a permanent change which is average for the area...something like that? Good luck x
**addition - I also found even my small price increase changed the type of client that was contacting me (for the better) and also cut down a lot of time wasters and guys wanting to barter with you
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Sometimes it is not always down to price why you are quiet could be a number of reasons. Why dont you as a test change your area to much further away and see what response you get if you have much more interest if you try a couple of other areas and suddenly lots more interest you might just not be as popular in the area you are in or many have already seen you.
Worth playing with it to see what the problem could be but it can be a quiet time at the moment anyway.
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Sometimes it is not always down to price why you are quiet could be a number of reasons. Why dont you as a test change your area to much further away and see what response you get if you have much more interest if you try a couple of other areas and suddenly lots more interest you might just not be as popular in the area you are in or many have already seen you.
Worth playing with it to see what the problem could be but it can be a quiet time at the moment anyway.
Yes EG is also right it is quiet in a lot of areas at the moment so it might not be the price change, if you are able to tour a fresh set of clients and scenery would hopefully work well for you!
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it might be that because guys in your area search for price so if they are looking for girls in the ?100 bracket your profile won't show up
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Give it time. I think the advice to let MB have a look at your profile or to even consider marketing yourself differently is good advice to follow.
I now confidently market myself as BBW. When I started out, my prices reflected that I thought my size made me worth less but as I increased my prices, those who wanted to pay it did, those who didn?t stayed away or would make snide remarks saying they couldn?t afford my rate - tough titty to them!
One thing that worked for me and attracted a lot of good clients (the kind who actually pay attention to your profile as a whole), was blogging on my AW. I never really talked about the sexual side of things, mostly nonsense about current affairs, my disasterous dating, music, what book I was reading etc. A lot of it was embellished for discretion but it let people see my character and that was a huge appeal apparently.
Stick with it, I think there are many going through a quiet spell. I hope it works out for you and don?t sell yourself short. X
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Sometimes you have to stick it out, calls and bookings can also vary for other non-price related reasons. Just see mysecret's thread about AW feedback, I'm not saying that's a reason either - only that can be completely random, coincidence or something else entirely.
I thought this too because of my two fake feedbacks. But then again if I was to mess them about the comments were not about my services but that I messed them around. The agro considering I never met the idiots or even spoke to one of them. But anyway, the rest of my feedback, although small in numbers are very positive and I'm also running a discount for AW bookings. It might be a case of just sticking to my guns as I think it's more than reasonable. I am in zone 2 I also offer OWO, facials, rimming both way, toy play both ways and basically everything PSE except for deep throat.
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I tried upping my half hourly rate last week and only by a tenner but didn't get any calls so I changed it back.
I understand how you feel as like yourself I do think my prices are quite low and that my services could get a higher rate.
To be honest it has been bizarrely quiet today and it's quite depressing. I'm based in NW London and the phone is usually quite busy but today frankly nothing.
There must be something in the air but I hope it picks up soon.
I have found though going through the local escort search for my area there are ladies charging extremely low rates and because I work in a less glam part of London I am a bit wary of tampering with my prices too much although I want to.
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You should charge what you are comfortable with. In my very honest opinion, girls priced at 100 an hour with all services included would be side stepped in my area. The average is 120 - 140 an hour and would be extra for anal. The fear is: if it is so cheap, what's wrong with it?
For the sake of a tenner, I don't know why clients would be grumbling.
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The price isn't the issue, happy to charge it and I was busy at my lower rates but I wasn't happy with my rates personally as I had no regulars I wanted to keep and most would boundary push one way or another. Everyone on my local escort page charge 70/80 for the hour and are also bare back providers. I don't offer that and almost everyone who calls asks for it. Ive just not been enjoying the work because of it and felt like my prices were not attracting the right kind of people and I would work my butt off and if I had a cancellation or two I'd only be making 2/300 a day at a push after bills ect. I only work 4 days a week too. It's been draining me and I've had to take some time off because of it.
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The price isn't the issue, happy to charge it and I was busy at my lower rates but I wasn't happy with my rates personally as I had no regulars I wanted to keep and most would boundary push one way or another. Everyone on my local escort page charge 70/80 for the hour and are also bare back providers. I don't offer that and almost everyone who calls asks for it. Ive just not been enjoying the work because of it and felt like my prices were not attracting the right kind of people and I would work my butt off and if I had a cancellation or two I'd only be making 2/300 a day at a push after bills ect. I only work 4 days a week too. It's been draining me and I've had to take some time off because of it.
I have no idea what area you are in but if it is that bad i would suggest touring newer areas newer clients newer prices.
If it is that bad do not put up with it. If there is a lot of women charging 80 an hour obviously up to them but not an area i would be happy to work in if i wanted to charge more and it was a huge struggle.
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I do think that going cheap can attract the wrong attitudes. I don't mean that people with less discretionary cash are bad - only that if you are cheaper than other people, some clients may assume things about you.
You may need to rebrand entirely. New photos, name change, overhaul your profile so that you look like something new and more expensive.
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I do think that going cheap can attract the wrong attitudes. I don't mean that people with less discretionary cash are bad - only that if you are cheaper than other people, some clients may assume things about you.
You may need to rebrand entirely. New photos, name change, overhaul your profile so that you look like something new and more expensive.
Agree with this. I also agree with the person who said discerning gents will sidestep someone at 100 per hour. You need to realise you are your product/brand.
Totally forget about the others on the same page. Waitrose and M&S don't worry about what aldi is charging.
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Agree with this. I also agree with the person who said discerning gents will sidestep someone at 100 per hour. You need to realise you are your product/brand.
Totally forget about the others on the same page. Waitrose and M&S don't worry about what aldi is charging.
I agree with you and Veggiegirl. Is ?100 an inclusive price (it includes anal)? Do you charge extra?
Loads of ladies say they charge under or around ?100 per hour to get the "under ?100 bracket" in the search but guys pay a lot more than that as they charge extra for everything.
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Op: could you maybe do some sort of offer?
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It was quite scary not having any calls. I?m usually overloaded with calls when I turn my phone on after a day or two but I?ve had not one. I have bills to pay so I don?t think the price change is right for me at the moment. I can?t stick with it or I?ll nevet make any money :'(
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If I was you I would keep my current increased price and just run a Christmas offer at your old prices.
I would put in the Summary something along the line: Christmas offer: xx for 30 minutes and xxx for one hour
and in the main text you can put more details, like for example: Reduced Christmas rates until the end of the year, or until January, etc.
Also you could try offering a discount for bookings made through aw, for example ?10 off for 30 mins and ?20 off for one hour.
Good luck :) xxx
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I still do not think the no calls are to do with a small increase sure a few might moan but over all it is probably quiet.
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It was quite scary not having any calls. I?m usually overloaded with calls when I turn my phone on after a day or two but I?ve had not one. I have bills to pay so I don?t think the price change is right for me at the moment. I can?t stick with it or I?ll nevet make any money :'(
Sounds stupid but if you have had no calls have you checked your number is actually showing on your profile 😂
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I will keep my prices the same I best not change them by lowering them over New year because I bet I would have problems the next time in try increasing in February .
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Zone 2 in London?! 100/hour is ridiculously cheap. Even 120 is very cheap.
Try this: up your hour to 150, keep your half hour around 80.
You are attracting the cheap clients, and they're not always the nicest (hence the fake feedback.) (There's also plenty of nasty clients at higher prices!)
Pay for featuring on AW because otherwise you're just not going to get found. Use Backpage as well. Viva might be worth a try if you're prepared to battle through their insane rules and lack of customer service.
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Sounds stupid but if you have had no calls have you checked your number is actually showing on your profile 😂
Ha! I tell you what, I may as well have. I had five missed calls instantly when I put the prices back down.
Zone 2 in London?! 100/hour is ridiculously cheap. Even 120 is very cheap.
Try this: up your hour to 150, keep your half hour around 80.
You are attracting the cheap clients, and they're not always the nicest (hence the fake feedback.) (There's also plenty of nasty clients at higher prices!)
Pay for featuring on AW because otherwise you're just not going to get found. Use Backpage as well. Viva might be worth a try if you're prepared to battle through their insane rules and lack of customer service.
Viva street was a nightmare for me, I might attempt backpage and a few other places. Trying to catch a featured profile at 00.00 hours but Im never quick enough!! ;D
It does feel wrong being at a lower price, I know I shouldn?t be there. I just don?t know if I can afford to be so quiet.
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If you want to send me your profile link I'd be happy to take a look. I'm in my forties and fat and still get 150/hour in London.
I used to work in Brighton which has a lot of parlours so I set my hour at 120 to compete. I'd go to London on the same price and be really quiet. London guys definitely view low prices with suspicion!
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If you want to send me your profile link I'd be happy to take a look. I'm in my forties and fat and still get 150/hour in London.
I used to work in Brighton which has a lot of parlours so I set my hour at 120 to compete. I'd go to London on the same price and be really quiet. London guys definitely view low prices with suspicion!
Yet I?m in the same age bracket but I?ve given up on London because the overheads are too much, I was charging ?160 ph and after my first tour was dead, just not worth it for me.
I think it?s worth mentioning that living in an area versus touring means you have to look at things somewhat differently as you have to survive not just make X amount in X days.
I do agree that guys look with suspicion at low prices. However the prices have been driven down so much in London and other big cities because of over saturation, so whilst some ladies somehow manage with charging so called elite prices (?200 ph and above) the majority cannot, and if you are living in a place full time you may not be able to get away with charging ?150 or even ?120.
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???Well it's def the price 😂 If you put it back down and it starts ringing
One way around this is that I used to run a special offer of an hour at ?100 between 10-4pm/ 5pm
As long as your clear that it's only between these times it works pretty well.
If anyone wants to book after that time you can offer them 45 mins at ?100 or the price of ?120
Also I'm happy to look at your profile as well if you think it might help
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Er, I work in London every month and am very busy at ?120 per hour. I haven't had a shit tour there in almost ten years, so they're obviously not 'suspicious' of me?
Agree with this. I also agree with the person who said discerning gents will sidestep someone at 100 per hour. You need to realise you are your product/brand.
Totally forget about the others on the same page. Waitrose and M&S don't worry about what aldi is charging.
To be fair, if somebody is turning their nose up at a person solely because of what they charge then that isn't discerning, that's just snobbish, pretentious and deluded.
I'm more than happy for the Aldi folks to come round to mine so I believe I'll stick at ?100 (in the daytime at least :D) and everybody else can keep the 'discerning' (or 'I'm better than other punters because I'm paying more') ones ::).
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I'm relatively cheap for London ?80/ 120 GFE so I don't think that guys think ?100 - ?120=cheap crap service
I rarely go to London but when I do visit it's very very busy
I was there in August it was crazy busy for me I could have easily carried on till midnight if I wasn't so bloody tired
But like VC said I'm also older and so is my friend that I was with so we probably stand out a bit more
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I think it's a bit of a myth that 120ph is viewed as cheap in central London. There's a lot of competition for a start, and many punters resent it when touring escorts up their prices significantly in London. There's nothing wrong with any price, but I wouldn't automatically assume that London clients will gladly stump up more than 120 an hour.
It's also a bit weird to me that the choice seems to be 120 or 150 - be novel and go for e.g. 130!
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There's a lot of competition for a start, and many punters resent it when touring escorts up their prices significantly in London.
Well you can hardly blame them, can you? It's basically saying that because they supposedly have more money (and given the cost of living compared with most other parts of the UK, there's no reason to blithely assime that everybody there is rolling in it) they should have to pay more than a punter in exactly the same situation but with a different postcode?
We all love it when 'escort flats' cost ten times what 'flats' do to rent, or when 'escort photographers' charge us multiples for a couple of hours indoor shooting of what they'd charge for a wedding, don't we? Because we're all so loaded.
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The price makes a difference in the calls you get that much is certainly true in my case! :o
I think my profile is quite well presented with nothing too in your face or confusing and has all the details it should. I just know in myself I am undercharging myself. I also think it?s is true that some lower prices may make punters think differently, maybe this is more for AW than if you have your own profile too (something I should consider) to the point that my most recent person to put feedback stated that I was the lady in the pictures and I really do provide the services on my profile for the price! Someone else wrote something similar too. Everyone is different and I feel the price should be right for the service provided, same as when you get a massage or get nails etc. that?s just normal business mentality I guess ???
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Is AW your only ad, SS? Apologies if I've missed it further up the thread.
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Is AW your only ad, SS? Apologies if I've missed it further up the thread.
Yea it is, I?ve not had time to sort out other ads and I don?t know if I would have the time to manage them all. I know you have apps to help you along these days but I?m more the cave-woman type when it comes to technology. It?s always done me well and I can?t grumble too much about it and I know I should branch out. I?ve checked out the page on where to advertise and I think I signed up to one of the sites. I never got a call from it and to my knowledge they still take money out of my account each month!
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Yea it is, I?ve not had time to sort out other ads and I don?t know if I would have the time to manage them all. I know you have apps to help you along these days but I?m more the cave-woman type when it comes to technology. It?s always done me well and I can?t grumble too much about it and I know I should branch out. I?ve checked out the page on where to advertise and I think I signed up to one of the sites. I never got a call from it and to my knowledge they still take money out of my account each month!
When you are quiet do you not have time then?
I did start to think that casting your net wider could help, might be worth rechecking that ad and getting it updated.
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I think it's a bit of a myth that 120ph is viewed as cheap in central London. There's a lot of competition for a start, and many punters resent it when touring escorts up their prices significantly in London. There's nothing wrong with any price, but I wouldn't automatically assume that London clients will gladly stump up more than 120 an hour.
It's also a bit weird to me that the choice seems to be 120 or 150 - be novel and go for e.g. 130!
If we was not talking about London i would agree with you but working in a decent part of Cental London costs i mean to rent an apartment or stay in a hotel there usually double sometimes tripple the cost of other areas so say if someone was usually 130 an hr in a cheaper part of the country but decides she needs to charge say 180 or 200 for the hour it makes sense otherwise what is the point of going to London with extra expense.
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Yea it is, I?ve not had time to sort out other ads and I don?t know if I would have the time to manage them all. I know you have apps to help you along these days but I?m more the cave-woman type when it comes to technology. It?s always done me well and I can?t grumble too much about it and I know I should branch out. I?ve checked out the page on where to advertise and I think I signed up to one of the sites. I never got a call from it and to my knowledge they still take money out of my account each month!
Change your area like i said before at least an hour or more away and see what response new woman new men has on you're profile you do not have to actually go there do it as a test for 2 days or so see if it is a good idea if you spread your wings. Plus advertise somewhere else like viva could be new set of clients even though some will be timewaster pests.
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If we was not talking about London i would agree with you but working in a decent part of Cental London costs i mean to rent an apartment or stay in a hotel there usually double sometimes tripple the cost of other areas so say if someone was usually 130 an hr in a cheaper part of the country but decides she needs to charge say 180 or 200 for the hour it makes sense otherwise what is the point of going to London with extra expense.
The point of going to London for me is to be able to do far more bookings and make far money than I would at home, and these more than swallow the extra expense. A pretty much guaranteed 6+ bookings a day as opposed to 1-3 at home more than covers a mid range hotel and a train ticket and a lot of Nando's :D.
It's my choice to go there and work and if I don't want to incur the extra expense I can choose to stay at home - I don't expect punters to pay for my choices. But that said, the OP isn't touring and I think it's completely different with a home base :).
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It does feel wrong being at a lower price, I know I shouldn?t be there. I just don?t know if I can afford to be so quiet.
I saw your comment that your price is inclusive (which I missed earlier). If your price is 100 and anal is included, then that's usually cheap, usually the type of price you start off with, when you are starting out to build up a "reputation". I agree with VC and others. I never had any more attention when I lowered the price in a quiet patch.
Having said that, maybe, the situ in London had changed so much. Anyone lower than 150 was unheard of/a lower end in the past. Maybe, it's more competitions. You would need to give at least 2-3 weeks before switching your price again. If you keep lowering, guys just wait for it.
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I saw your comment that your price is inclusive (which I missed earlier). If your price is 100 and anal is included, then that's usually cheap, usually the type of price you start off with, when you are starting out to build up a "reputation". I agree with VC and others. I never had any more attention when I lowered the price in a quiet patch.
Having said that, maybe, the situ in London had changed so much. Anyone lower than 150 was unheard of/a lower end in the past. Maybe, it's more competitions. You would need to give at least 2-3 weeks before switching your price again. If you keep lowering, guys just wait for it.
I do not always think because you are lower in price or lower the price it suddenly makes you busy obviously it can happen but not for everyone.
Could be so many reasons you have had you're time in the area and not enough new customers, a quiet area anyway or you are not appealing to many customers. Try different areas if you keep lowering prices customers will notice that.
I do find though some customers and this is only some that attract to cheaper end prices and some attract to bit higher end prices. I have had many customers tell me there suspicious if prices are quite low especially if the woman in the pics looks hot.
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Let me try to rephrase what I said earlier:
If you compete on price, then you are mining for bargain hunters. And bargain hunters can be the most entitled, demanding customers. This is true across many industries. I remember a hotel receptionist saying that people who got a cheap room rate were more likely to complain than those who paid significantly more. I remember an article by online retailer saying that when he tried to compete on price (he sells linens), the thin margins were eroded by people complaining and demanding refunds over spurious things. I just googled "bargain hunters demanding customers" and found a great article on it: search for "Nicholas Reese Problem Clients" and you'll find it.
But, simply raising your rates won't be enough to change things. You have to figure out your niche. It's not enough to bung up some selfies of your tits and expect the phone to ring. You're competing against thousands of other escorts in greater London. You have to figure out a way to stand out. You have to package your special appeal and market it. It can be hard to do. I have a friend who is brilliant at deep throat. It's what she markets and she has big demand. I wish I were, too! But I have managed to figure out one or two things I'm happy to do that not everyone is (safe, harmless things) and I big them up. I also play up my ethnicity, my height, and my age. These key things are front and centre.
It can be harder if you're one of hundreds escorts of a similar age, dress size, and services. It may not come easy - but it's worth working on and figuring out what you can do to set yourself apart.
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Great post DaisyDuck.
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I agree with DD
You have to make yourself stand out amongst all the other that are similar to you
If you don't you just get lost within the hundred of other escorts that are similar to yourself
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I agree with DD
You have to make yourself stand out amongst all the other that are similar to you
If you don't you just get lost within the hundred of other escorts that are similar to yourself
So do I! I'd also say in addition that if you want to avoid having to pander to the 'bargain hunters' (although I don't think it's always down to what you charge - I can spot them as soon as I pick up the phone) then it's probably best not to have your only advertising on the very site where most of them hang out :).