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GucciGang

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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #15 on: 04 September 2019, 06:44:09 pm »
asking on behalf of a friend who isn't on this forum. she would like to know what happens if for example if she earns 2000 a month from escorting, puts 50% of that in her designated escort bank account and declares that amount as her income, and at the same time puts the 50% each month on another personal bank account (on a different bank) and she doesn't declare this bit. Would hmrc ever find out and how? does hmrc ever look at bank records? would love to hear from your experience and how risk this is, or feel free to pm me if you don't wanna reply here.

If she looks at her credit file all bank accounts and premium bonds and any accounts will show up. It only wouldn’t show if it was in another persons account. Better off declaring it all and then find a cracking accountant which lets you put through loads of expenses. I had my teeth done for 12 grand and plastic surgery and all has gone though my accounts lol

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« Reply #16 on: 05 September 2019, 03:21:53 pm »
HMRC also does random checks so it doesn't matter if you've been bad or good....Santa can knock on your door.


Trust me Amy he knows what I think of him. I have thought about reporting him-but for some reason I can't quite bring myself to do it. Also I reckon he'd know it was me and I still have to deal with him work wise.

Do you think he'll have a nano-second to sit his ass down and worry 'whodunnit' when he gets an audit for near 20 years of unpaid income tax?  It could be any of the pepes he's bragged to or upset, or a random check.
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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #17 on: 05 September 2019, 10:45:50 pm »
If Inlandrevenue catch you and you own a house you are fucked. They would make you bankrupt.
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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #18 on: 05 September 2019, 10:56:14 pm »
Do you think he'll have a nano-second to sit his ass down and worry 'whodunnit' when he gets an audit for near 20 years of unpaid income tax?  It could be any of the pepes he's bragged to or upset, or a random check.

Exactly, and the sooner it happens.the better.

That said, it's wandering off and some of the speculation is veering towards silly now. We also have the general tax thread and we don't need another, so maybe we can leave this and see if the OP's friend pops up to explain why everybody else (regardless of what they earn and how their tax is collected) should pay her contributions for her.

I had my teeth done for 12 grand and plastic surgery and all has gone though my accounts lol

If you ever get investigated, good luck proving that neither of those had any personal benefit whatsoever.
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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #19 on: 06 September 2019, 06:05:44 pm »
asking on behalf of a friend who isn't on this forum. she would like to know what happens if for example if she earns 2000 a month from escorting, puts 50% of that in her designated escort bank account and declares that amount as her income, and at the same time puts the 50% each month on another personal bank account (on a different bank) and she doesn't declare this bit. Would hmrc ever find out and how? does hmrc ever look at bank records? would love to hear from your experience and how risk this is, or feel free to pm me if you don't wanna reply here.

yes and yes. Of course HMRC can see your bank records and would expect them to be disclosed as part of any investigation.

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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #20 on: 06 September 2019, 06:08:55 pm »
If she looks at her credit file all bank accounts and premium bonds and any accounts will show up. It only wouldn’t show if it was in another persons account. Better off declaring it all and then find a cracking accountant which lets you put through loads of expenses. I had my teeth done for 12 grand and plastic surgery and all has gone though my accounts lol

i'd be very careful about that tbh, no matter what your accountant says. plastic surgery etc is still under dispute. Martin Clunes is taking HMRC to tribunal over this at the minute. you could get landed with a huge bill.

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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #21 on: 06 September 2019, 08:21:00 pm »
If your an exotic dancer as I am. Then my accountant can prove my accounts have increased since the surgery. Same if your an adult actress your looks are your job is please don’t be so fast to jump down my throat. I declare a large amount of money and have faith my accountant wouldn’t of added the expense if it wasn’t tax deductible.

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« Reply #22 on: 09 September 2019, 04:03:26 pm »
Absolutely ridiculous and bloody stupid. Not only could HMRC look into it but also the bank themselfs. They have a duty to monitor and flag any suspicious activity. If you’re banking cash into an account, you’re at risk of the bank asking questions. So there’s one issue.

If HMRC do investigate this person, they have made it very obvious that they are trying to avoid tax. A huge NO NO! And very serious.

There are much better ways of reducing your tax. Like claiming a lot of expenses, even if some aren’t 100% business only, you can push your luck and the worse that is going to happen if HMRC investigate you, you play dumb and act like you thought you could claim XX expenses and they will just recalculate your tax bill and you’ll have to pay it with a slap on the wrist

But  having two separate banks, one for ‘hiding’ income just makes it way too obvious and HMRC will not be happy and you won’t get away lightly

This friend obviously isn’t very savvy so I’d recommend they get a decent account who’s happy to push the boundaries as much as possible

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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #23 on: 16 September 2019, 08:28:49 am »
The guy I was talking about has never registered as self employed - so is off the radar - or at least so he thinks. Like I said I don't know how he gets away with it. He even has a website, his arrogance is beyond belief, he thinks he is being smart.

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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #24 on: 16 September 2019, 01:35:24 pm »
The guy I was talking about has never registered as self employed - so is off the radar - or at least so he thinks. Like I said I don't know how he gets away with it. He even has a website, his arrogance is beyond belief, he thinks he is being smart.

If this is a small freelance business this guy has "on the side" as in e.g: a personal trainer who charges in cash and keeps it under his mattress (ethical aspects aside) he will not have any problem. However... several issues: i don;t know what his "business" is but he cannot invoice clients and these will have to pay him "under the table", a lot of clients don't like this because they want to tax deduct whatever services he offers. If this is his only source of income he will not be able to apply for a mortgage nor be entitled to a state pension as he's been operating "under the radar". And then of course, if someone ever reports him or his bank raise a red flag he's going to jail or paying back many many thousands. So unless this is a very small amount of freelance money that is kept stashed under his mattress while "having a proper job" he's taking a high risk.

(Just to let you know.. there was a "high class" chelsea escort who made a lot of money for years, never registered as self employed nor paid taxes and she was caught. She recently got our of jail after two years. I'm not posting the news link but you can google it. She's had to pay all the money back she owned in taxes).
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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #25 on: 16 September 2019, 02:39:35 pm »
Or if one of his clients works for HMRC or just reports him or...
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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #26 on: 16 September 2019, 04:39:27 pm »
If this is a small freelance business this guy has "on the side" as in e.g: a personal trainer who charges in cash and keeps it under his mattress (ethical aspects aside) he will not have any problem. However... several issues: i don;t know what his "business" is but he cannot invoice clients and these will have to pay him "under the table", a lot of clients don't like this because they want to tax deduct whatever services he offers. If this is his only source of income he will not be able to apply for a mortgage nor be entitled to a state pension as he's been operating "under the radar". And then of course, if someone ever reports him or his bank raise a red flag he's going to jail or paying back many many thousands. So unless this is a very small amount of freelance money that is kept stashed under his mattress while "having a proper job" he's taking a high risk.

(Just to let you know.. there was a "high class" chelsea escort who made a lot of money for years, never registered as self employed nor paid taxes and she was caught. She recently got our of jail after two years. I'm not posting the news link but you can google it. She's had to pay all the money back she owned in taxes).

tried to search the news about the chelsea escort but couldn't find it what words should i look for?
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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #27 on: 16 September 2019, 04:47:10 pm »
tried to search the news about the chelsea escort but couldn't find it what words should i look for?

copy + paste and google the following words:

1000-night-girl-jailed-tax-evasion-using-prostitution-fund-degree-sell-Knightsbridge-home-bid-repay-175-000-court-order.html
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Re: declaring only part of the income - does hmrc ever find out?
« Reply #28 on: 16 September 2019, 05:36:41 pm »
copy + paste and google the following words:

1000-night-girl-jailed-tax-evasion-using-prostitution-fund-degree-sell-Knightsbridge-home-bid-repay-175-000-court-order.html

I remember that story she is not the only escort this has happened to, quite a few out there. You cannot earn that type of money and not pay anything without repurcussions. Really silly.