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« on: 01 November 2014, 01:21:53 pm »
It's crunch time again, everybody, this time in the UK! Please see below from our friends at the English Collective of Prostitutes:

http://prostitutescollective.net/2014/10/30/urgent-mps-trying-criminalise-clients/

Dear Friends,

This is a briefing (below) we have prepared against a clause to the Modern Slavery Bill which aims to criminalise sex workers? clients.
Please send your objections (model letter below) to the clause as soon as possible. It will be discussed next Tuesday 4 November in the Report Stage of the Bill.

If you are writing as an individual, please send your objections first of all to your own MP, then to the Modern Slavery Bill Committee, copied to John McDonnell MP and to us at the ECP. You can find out who your MP is here. Please send by the morning of Tuesday 4 November when the Bill is being discussed in Parliament.
If you are from an organisation, please send your objections to us as soon as possible so we can forward it to all MPs.

Statements from individual sex workers about how the law will affect you are also useful. Please send them to your MP with a copy to us. Politicians sometimes quote from such statements during debates.

Monday 3 November 2014, 6.30-8.30pm Committee Room 8: Please come to our meeting in Parliament. We are inviting all MPs to be briefed on why the clause will make it dangerous for sex workers.

Tuesday 4 November 2014: Come with us to lobby your MP in Parliament. Meet outside House of Commons, 12 noon.


Briefing against clauses to the Modern Slavery Bill to prohibit the purchase of sexual services.

An amendment and two clauses to the Modern Slavery Bill put forward by Fiona Mactaggart MP aim to ?make the purchase of sex illegal, remove the criminal sanctions against prostituted women and provide support to women who want to leave prostitution?.[1]

We support the amendment which would remove the offence of loitering and soliciting for women working on the street. This decriminalisation should be extended to sex workers working from premises. The brothel-keeping legislation should be amended so that women can work more safely together. In 2006, the Home Office acknowledged: ?. . . the present definition of brothel ran counter to advice that, in the interests of safety, women should not sell sex alone.?[2]

We strongly oppose the clauses criminalising clients, on the basis of women?s safety.  Criminalising clients does not stop prostitution, nor does it stop the criminalisation of women. It drives prostitution further underground, making it more dangerous and stigmatising for women.

Any benefit from decriminalising loitering and soliciting will be cancelled if clients are criminalised. Women will have to go underground if clients are underground. Kerb-crawling legislation has already made it more dangerous for prostitute women and men. In Scotland, since kerb-crawling legislation was introduced in October 2007, the number of assaults on sex workers have soared. Attacks reported to one project almost doubled in one year from 66 to 126.[3]

Many of the claims that have been made about the impact of the 1999 Swedish law which criminalised clients are false and have no evidential basis.

1.   The Swedish law has not resulted in a reduction in sex trafficking.

Fiona Mactaggart MP claimed that criminalising clients ?has been shown to reduce sex trafficking ever since it was first adopted in Sweden in 1999?. There is no evidence cited to support this claim.

The Global Alliance Against Traffic in Women ?strongly opposes introducing criminal penalties against the clients of sex workers.? Their 2011 research found that ?criminalising sex workers? clients does not reduce sex work or trafficking. Instead, it infringes on sex workers? rights and obstructs anti-trafficking efforts.?

False claims about trafficking have been used before to justify a crackdown on prostitution. In the run up to the Policing and Crime Act which increased the criminalisation of prostitution, Mactaggart claimed that ?80% of women in prostitution are controlled by traffickers?.[4] This figure has been comprehensively discredited.[5]

In reality anti-trafficking legislation is primarily being used to target immigrant sex workers for raids and deportations. During well publicised raids on Soho flats last year, done in the name of freeing victims of trafficking,250 police broke down doors and dragged handcuffed immigrant women in their underwear onto the streets. No trafficking was found and most flats were eventually re-opened. But at what cost to women?s safety and dignity, and to the public purse? The Joint Committee on Human Rights report on Human Trafficking confirms that ?victims may often find themselves treated as immigration offenders and face enforcement actions such as detention and removals.[6]

Considering that ?internationally only 22% of human trafficking is for sexual exploitation?[7] creating fair working conditions and ending abuses in low-wage labour industries will do far more to end trafficking in persons and protect the human rights of workers in vulnerable situations.

Existing laws already criminalise those who coerce anyone into the sex industry. Why extend them to consenting sex?

2.     The Swedish law has not reduced prostitution.

Claims that street prostitution has ?halved between 1999 and 2008?[8] are disputed by Rose Alliance, the sex worker organisation in Sweden, which says that numbers have since gone back up.[9] Research by the National Bureau of Investigation found no reduction in indoor prostitution. It estimated that in 2009 there were 90 Thai massage parlours in Stockholm. At the turn of 2011/2012, the number had risen to about 250 and throughout the country about 450.?[10] In Norway where a similar law was introduced, Pro-Sentret, Oslo?s official help centre for sex workers, published their 2012 annual report with evidence that the numbers of sex workers had not decreased and that the levels of violence against sex workers had not been affected by the law either.

Evidence from the End Demand campaign that the number of men saying they buy sexual services has decreased from 14% in 1996 to 7.9% in 2008 is not reliable. How can these figures be trusted? Since buying sexual services was not criminal in 1996 there was less reason for men to lie than in 2008. These figures are countered by the Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare which concluded that it was ?difficult to discern any clear trend of development . . . of prostitution? up or down.[11]

More recent research found that sex workers had been displaced or had moved indoors: ?. . . declines in levels of street sex work appear to signal a displacement of public sex work, with sex workers selling sex indoors as opposed to from the street to avoid authoritative detection and involvement.?[12] And sex workers themselves report: ?You hide on the internet, it?s not visible anymore. . . . There are people everywhere, but you don?t see them. It?s all hidden. ?Cause we don?t wanna get caught.? [13]

What is happening to women? Welfare has been cut so that ?a quarter of single mothers in Sweden now live in poverty, compared to 10% seven years ago.? In our experience welfare cuts result in increased prostitution. What has happened to women since the criminalisation of clients has made harder to work in prostitution while their economic safety has been reduced? Have they been driven underground? Are they safer or better paid? Are they more able to get other jobs? Why are these questions not being asked?

3. Since the criminalisation of clients the treatment of sex workers in Sweden has worsened. (Please see Appendix for examples).

4. Evidence from sex workers has been ignored.

Evidence from sex workers in Sweden and Northern Ireland has been ignored. A law criminalising clients has been introduced despite research done by Queen?s University Belfast for the Dept. of Justice which found that 90% of sex workers opposed the law and 61% specifically said it would make it more dangerous.[14]

5. The criminalisation of clients increases women?s vulnerability to violence.

Violence against sex workers is cited to justify these clauses. Mactaggart states: ?Prostitutes are far more likely than other women to be murdered ? usually by their clients ? and nearly three-quarters have experienced physical abuse. Most suffer from PTSD.?

We do not dispute that prostitute women suffer high levels of rape and other violence. But criminalisation and police crackdowns increase the danger by forcing women to work in isolation and make it harder to report rape and other violence.[15] The ECP has fought a number of cases[16] where women reported serious attacks to the police and were themselves prosecuted or threatened with prosecution while their attackers went free. Senior police officers have admitted that: ?[police] operations to tackle [prostitution] are ?counterproductive? and likely to put the lives of women at risk.?[17]

Criminalisation of clients will further undermine sex workers? safety. A recent Vancouver study[18]  found that ?criminalisation and policing strategies that target clients . . . profoundly impacted the safety strategies sex workers employed. Sex workers continued to mistrust police, had to rush screening clients and were displaced to outlying areas with increased risks of violence, including being forced to engage in unprotected sex.?

The claim that ?most [sex workers] suffer from PTSD? came from research by Melissa Farley. Her research has been discredited because of ?methodological flaws? and her evidence in the Bedford v Canada constitutional challenge was ?assigned less weight? because of ?contradictions and unsubstantiated assertions? by Justice Himel.[19]

6. The Safety First Coalition formed after the murder of five women in Ipswich opposes the criminalisation of clients.

Safety First includes the Royal College of Nursing, Women Against Rape, the Hampshire Women?s Institute, the National Association of Probation Officers, anti-poverty campaigners, church people,residents of red light areas, members of the medical and legal professions, prison reformers, sex worker and drugs rehabilitation projects. Their main concern is health and safety. They say: ?Prostitution is a survival strategy to deal with poverty, debt, rape, low wages, homelessness, unemployment? Most sex workers are mothers or young people; often they are both. Many have been in care or have had their children taken from them. . . . Criminalising consenting sex ? targeting sex workers, clients or both ? pushes prostitution underground. It deters women from reporting violence and exploitation and forces women into isolated, less well lit areas.?

7. Claims that ?prostitution is an extreme form of exploitation? are counterproductive and ignore the economic reality that many women face.

Exploitation is rife in many industries, including the agricultural, domestic and service industries, particularly at a time of increasing poverty, lowering wages and insecure employment.[20] Yet no-one would sensibly suggest that domestic work or fruit picking be banned. Efforts to address exploitation in these industries have focussed on empowering workers to insist on their rights. Why the double standard? The illegality associated with prostitution makes it harder for sex workers to resist exploitation and violence.

Unemployment, benefit cuts and sanctions, lowering wages, increased homelessness, and debt are forcing more women, particularly mothers, into prostitution. For example, police in Doncaster and Sheffield have documented a 61% and 166% increase respectively in women working on the street.[21] [22] Why is it that the best that a feminist MP like Fiona Mactaggart can come up with is to increase criminalisation? Are women less degraded when we have to skip meals, beg or stay with a violent partner to keep a roof over our heads?

8. An unholy alliance with homophobic religious fundamentalists.

The sex purchase amendment is being presented as a ?gender equality? measure yet in reality it has been an ?unlikely union of evangelical Christians with feminist campaigners? who have pushed for the criminalisaiton of clients. The All-Party Parliamentary Group on Prostitution and the Global Sex Trade, which recommended a change in the law in March, chose as its secretariat the homophobic[23] charity CARE. Lord Morrow who introduced the N Ireland Human Trafficking and Exploitation Act has a long history of opposing LGBTQ rights.[24]

9. Racist implementation

Prostitution is criminal in the US. This has not reduced it nor made it safer for women. But there is evidence that laws criminalising clients are being implemented in a discriminatory way. The First Offender Prostitution Program in San Francisco, known commonly as the John School, by its own admission, disproportionately targets Hispanic men and those living in low-income neighbourhoods.

10. The successful New Zealand model has been ignored

New Zealand decriminalised in 2003 with verifiable improvements in sex workers health and safety. Prostitution was removed from the criminal law, allowing people to work together collectively, and to distinguish between violence and consenting sex. It reinforced offences against compelling anyone into prostitution, stating a specific right for sex workers to refuse any client. A comprehensive five year review found: no increase in prostitution, and that sex workers were more able to report violence and leave prostitution if they choose.[25] Canada?s Supreme Court threw out the prostitution laws for violating women?s right to safety.[26] Why are these examples being ignored?

11. The public support decriminalisation of prostitution on grounds of safety

Support for decriminalisation comes from many quarters, including UNAIDS which stated: ?States should move away from criminalising sex work or activities associated with it. Decriminalisation of sex work should include removing criminal penalties for purchase and sale of sex, management of sex workers and brothels, and other activities related to sex work.?[27] The Lancet recently promoted decriminalisation on grounds of health.[28] TheRoyal College of Nursing consistently voted by over 90% of its membership in favour of decriminalisation on the grounds of health and safety.[29]  Other support comes from: the American Jewish World Service; Communication Workers Union; GMB; Green Party; Liberal Democrats; Magistrates Association (which has policy on the decriminalisation of under 18 year olds).

A 2014 survey found that over half the population of the UK is opposed to the criminalisation of prostitution.[30]

12. The criminalisation of clients has been rejected in Scotland[31] and in France.[32]

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The English Collective of Prostitutes is a network of women who work or have worked in different areas of the sex industry ? both on the streets and indoors. Since 1975, we have been campaigning for decriminalisation and safety of sex workers.

English Collective of Prostitutes ecp@prostitutescollective.net 020 7482 2496 www.prostitutescollective.net

 

APPENDIX: Accounts from sex workers in Sweden about the impact of the 1999 law which criminalised clients:

 ?        ?We are still criminalised if we work together in premises, we risk eviction by landlords, condemnation by social workers and even losing custody of our kids because we are seen as ?bad girls? unwilling to change. This law should be abolished not exported to other countries.? Carina Edlund, Rose Alliance, Sweden, spoke in the UK Parliament March 2014.
?        2013 research by Dr. Jay Levy gathered testimony from sex workers and concluded that ?. . . though thesexk?pslagen (Sweden?s sex purchase law) has been portrayed as legislation that protects sex workers from legal repercussion, sex workers report losing child custody due to their sex work, domestic harassments by police and social services, and difficulties with tax and immigration authorities. These all serve to reduce the likelihood of sex workers seeking state-sponsored assistance.?
?        This same research found ?In addition to increased difficulties in street work, some clients buying sex online are more reluctant to give sex workers any identifying information, fearing police detection. For sex workers who need money more urgently, accepting these untraceable clients leaves them all the more vulnerable to abuse. Having been forced to take anonymous clients following the sexk?pslagen, one respondent had lost count of the number of times she had been raped and assaulted by men who were thus untraceable. She had not been raped in the context of her sex selling before 1999.?
?        It also found that the law had led to an increase in police harassment of sex workers: ?Where it is illegal to provide premises for prostitution, landlords are obliged to evict sex workers, or face prosecution themselves. Police have been known to inform landlords that their tenant(s) sell sex, thus forcing the eviction. Sex workers working together for safety, as well as anybody cohabiting with a sex worker, can also be targeted, prosecuted for pimping one another or sharing in the income of prostitution, respectively. Police have furthermore been known to report sex workers to hotels and venues, with the sex workers then barred from returning. . . .  police have also harassed sex workers directly at home. One respondent was visited by police on three occasions, who threatened her with police involvement and pursuit of her clients.?
?        Previous research presented in 2011 found a similar story with sex workers feeling ?hunted by the police? Many reported that they resent being treated as incapacitated persons whose actions are tolerated.?http://prostitutescollective.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/swedish_law_impact-1.pdf
 
MODEL LETTER
Dear [],

I strongly oppose clauses on prostitution in the Modern Slavery Bill 2014 which would make the purchase of sex illegal.

Criminalising clients does not stop prostitution, nor does it stop the criminalisation of women. It drives prostitution further underground, making it more dangerous and stigmatising for women. Attached is a briefing from the English Collective of Prostitutes for more information.

[Add something about your own experience and your particular concerns about safety, increased criminalisation . . . etc. ]

The proposals should be withdrawn.   

[YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS]

POSITION IF YOU HAVE ONE

[1] http://www. publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2014-2015/0096/amend/pbc0962810a.665-666.html

[2] The Times 18 January 2006.

[3] http://www. scotsman.com/news/attacks-on-prostitutes-soar-after-vice-driven-underground-by-law-1-1164904

[4] The figure derives from a report (Sex in the City, 2004) by the Poppy Project which found that 80% of women working in ?brothels, saunas and massage parlours? in London were ?non British nationals? and concluded (without evidence) that ?a large proportion of them are likely to have been trafficked into the country?. This research was condemned as having ?serious methodological limitations by Prof. Julia O?Connell Davidson (A Question of Consent? Sexual Slavery and Sex Work in the UK, 2009).

[5] ?Prostitution and trafficking ? the anatomy of a moral panic,? 20 Oct 2009 http://www. theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/trafficking-numbers-women-exaggerated

[6]  Twenty-sixth Report of Session, 2005-6, Vol. 1

[7] ILO, 2012

[8] Speech in Parliament introducing the amendment on 4 September 2014[8]

[9] Claims about the Swedish model ? and what?s really going on. Rose Alliance, 2012

[10] http://www. polisen.se/Global/www%20och%20Intrapolis/Informationsmaterial/01%20Polisen%20nationellt/Engelskt%20informationsmaterial/Trafficking_1998_/Trafficking_report_13_20130530.pdf

[11] ?The National Board of Health and Welfare, 2008.

[12] Swedish Abolitionism as Violence Against Women, Dr.Jay Levy, 2013.

[13] ibid

[14] http://www. dojni.gov.uk/index/publications/publication-categories/pubs-criminal-justice/independent-research-into-prostitution-in-northern-ireland.htm

 

[15] Silence on Violence, Andrew Boff, March 2012

[16] http://prostitutescollective.net/tag/barking/

[17] http://www. theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/19/woman-killed-prostitute-police-blame

[18] BMJ Open 2014, Criminalisation of clients: reproducing vulnerabilities for violence and poor health among street-based sex workers in Canada?a qualitative study.

[19] http://www. canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2010/2010onsc4264/2010onsc4264.html#_Toc270411950

[20] http://www. theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/12/modern-slavery-reality

[21] http://www. thestar.co.uk/news/local/support-bid-for-doncaster-s-prostitutes-1-6508498

[22] http://www. thestar.co.uk/news/crime/big-rise-in-sheffield-city-centre-prostitution-1-6646339

[23] http://www. care.org.uk/news/impact-direct/blind-to-opposition-government-set-to-introduce-bill-to-legalise-same-sex-marriage

[24] He is one of three Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) Lords.  The DUP In 1977, Ian Paisley, Lord Morrow?s close friend, launched the ?Save Ulster From Sodomy? campaign to prevent the decriminalisation of homosexuality.  In 2007, Lord Morrow tabled an amendment to scrap laws banning businesses from discriminating against gay people.[24]

[25] http://www. justice.govt.nz/policy/commercial-property-and-regulatory/prostitution/prostitution-law-review-committee/publications/plrc-report/documents/report.pdf




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« Reply #1 on: 02 November 2014, 04:38:18 pm »
Hi

Does anyone know what will happen if this goes through, i.e how it will affect WG who advertise on internet sites such as AW or Viva etc

Would we just need to change our wording and remove the rates or simply mean that clients cannot book via the secure system for fear of being caught?

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« Reply #2 on: 02 November 2014, 06:08:19 pm »
We can continue advertising as normal I think. Not sure if clients will still be able to use AW if the law goes through

It means it will be unlikely that they will book through adult work for fear of being part of some police trap,
So you will not be able to check reviews from clients AW profiles as they may delete them. Clients will also not be willing to give any personal information when you are security screening them. So they certainly won't be wanting outcalls, if they do, they won't be giving you land line number or proof of address, so it is going to be much less safe for us

they claim that they are placing the focus of the law on clients, but they know it is ultimately us who will suffer and be less safe

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« Reply #3 on: 02 November 2014, 07:27:06 pm »
As it stands, the Bill would criminalise arranging or facilitating the travel of another person ('V') with a view to V being exploited in a number of ways. One of those is "Sexual exploitation", defined as "Something is done to or in respect of the person which involves the commission of an offence under .. Part 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003".

In this context, that's mostly 'controlling prostitution for gain' (what agencies do). As the maximum penalty is life, agencies may find it harder to find drivers, particularly as "It is irrelevant whether V consents to the travel".

There is an amendment proposed to criminalise "Procuring sex for payment" - "A person commits an offence under this section if he or she procures sexual intercourse or any other sexual act, whether for himself or for another person, in return for payment", i.e. any client of anyone.

The main proposer is Fiona Mactaggart, Labour MP for Slough, who thinks that all women prostitutes are the victims of trafficking ("almost always involves coercion, enforced addiction to drugs and violence from their pimps or traffickers") despite what the evidence says.

Others listed as needing a clue are:

Fiona Bruce, Michael Connarty, Mark Durkan, Sir John Randall, Mrs Madeleine Moon, Mike Kane, Sandra Osborne, Mr David Burrowes, Jim Shannon, David Simpson, Mr Nigel Dodds, Liz McInnes, Fiona O?Donnell, Mr Jim Hood, Keith Vaz, Mrs Mary Glindon, Lady Hermon, Barbara Keeley, Ian Paisley, Mrs Si?n C. James, Kelvin Hopkins, Sarah Teather, Mr Gary Streeter, Mr Virendra Sharma, Ann Coffey, Mr Philip Hollobone, Dr William McCrea, Mr Gregory Campbell, Meg Hillier, Joan Walley and Hazel Blears.

I am wondering why some of the usual suspects, like Harriet Harman, aren't on the list, but I haven't gone through it properly to see if any of the Shadow Cabinet are.
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« Reply #4 on: 03 November 2014, 01:01:40 am »
I just sent them my 2 cents worth

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Dear Mr Rifkind, Mr Field, Ms Bruce, Baroness Butler-Sloss, Mr Connarty, Bishop Redfern, Baroness Doocey, Baroness Hanham, Baroness Kennedy, Lord McColl, Ms Mactaggart, Sir Randall, Ms Spelman, Sir Stunell, and Lord Warner,

I am a male escort and I have met hundreds of male, female and transgender escorts as my friends and business colleagues. The media likes to portray escorts as either high class courtesans leading a rarefied existence of luxury and adventure or downtrodden and exploited prostitutes leading a nightmare existence in a world of trafficking, drug abuse and evil pimps. These dual extremes make good media but they are not reality. The reality for myself and every escort I have ever met would make very dull television and thus is not televised. We are just workers. We work. We do our jobs and get paid. End of story. Our jobs are no more or less fantastic or terrible than the average employee regardless of their job. It's just work for us. That's the reality. Please don't mess up our jobs and make what we do more dangerous for us by making it more difficult for us to seek the help of the authorities when we are the victims of actual crime. Crime does happen. It can happen to anyone regardless of their job. And when it happens to us, we'd like to be able to ask for help knowing that we're not criminals and that we're entitled to the protection of the law.

I strongly oppose the clauses on prostitution in the Modern Slavery Bill 2014 which would make the purchase of sex illegal.

Criminalising clients does not stop prostitution, nor does it stop the criminalisation of women. It drives prostitution further underground, making it more dangerous and stigmatising for people working as prostitutes.

The proposals should be withdrawn.

I look forward to your replies.

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« Reply #5 on: 03 November 2014, 09:48:32 am »
I do hope more escorts send a quick email.

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« Reply #6 on: 03 November 2014, 12:55:22 pm »
I have also emailed my MP. Bit awkward as he is aware and is actively working on my problems with homelessness, so I had to pretend I wasn't a prostitute and use the royal "they" for fear that finding out what I have turned to will make him feel less obliged to help me with my other issues. That pisses me off, but it's simply too risky to connect my real name to prostitution, even in an innocent email.

Nevertheless, I described the issues this would cause for screening, and how "This will not decrease prostitution, it will increase violence towards prostitutes". I do outcalls only so I'm particularly worried that most clients will stop allowing them altogether.

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« Reply #7 on: 04 November 2014, 08:57:34 am »
Women's Hour on Radio 4  will be talking about this today -

"On Tuesday an amendment to the Modern Slavery Bill, making it a crime to pay for sex, will be debated in the House of Commons. What impact could a change in the law have for those working in the sex industry?"


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« Reply #8 on: 04 November 2014, 02:32:03 pm »
Just been listening on LBC where they are discussing this, I had to switch off as I was getting annoyed with some of the comments, I did send my email, I see the other side in regards to trafficked girls but where does that leave us!
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« Reply #9 on: 04 November 2014, 05:35:48 pm »
I agree that I avoided the media side of thing today as I couldn't cope with all the ridiculousness of those against sex work!


They amendments of the bill are about to be discussed over on BBC Parliament live (between 1600 and 1800 - they've not come up yet!). I was in the House of Commons today and it's thought that the amendment will get voted down.


Fingers crossed!
Wish I hadn't listened to the LBC debate, Julia Hartley-Brewer has no idea what she's talking about, 1 male caller implied that clients would go on to rape random women if they were made to be criminals, was soooo tempted to call in.
I accept that there is a dark side to the sex industry and all of us here are lucky that we consent to our work. I feel slightly ignorant to the plight of trafficked, pimped and drug dependant sex workers but this is and always has been my living by choice.
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« Reply #10 on: 04 November 2014, 05:44:39 pm »
.. and as such, some of the people behind proposals like this are on record as saying that it doesn't matter what happens to you as a result.

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« Reply #11 on: 04 November 2014, 05:50:28 pm »
As is demonstrated by a thread of comments on The Guardian's website, some people just cannot get their heads round the idea that some women actually ENJOY working as a prostitute - apparently we're all drug addicts, financially desperate, victims of abuse, exploited, blah, blah, blah. Or that we might prefer to do it as a career rather than have a soul-destroying 9-5 job.

And allegedly two-thirds of us will suffer from PTSD. Give me strength.
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« Reply #12 on: 04 November 2014, 05:58:10 pm »
I had a nose on some punter sites to get the punters take on this, most are saying they would refrain from seeing prostitutes if this law is passed, my only hope is that I'm an inde with a large, regular client base. If I was still in a parlour I'd go to the dole queue!

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« Reply #13 on: 04 November 2014, 06:29:14 pm »
I have had PTSD, immediately after a robbery and it wasn't permanent and no-one identified it for me. Well ok hypervigilance, AKA improving non-existant security was the only lasting effect and long overdue! I didn't have PTSD as a result of actual, client meets - suppose you could argue the robbery happened because I was perceived to be seeing clients but that is a long way to wangle it.... ::)
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« Reply #14 on: 04 November 2014, 06:41:41 pm »
I think most of us would agree that if we could earn the same money in another line of work doing the same hours as whoring we would, I know I would, and also we wouldn't encourage our daughters to go into prostitution but that doesn't mean we should be put at further risk in an already unregulated industry.

I don't hate my job, I'm not forced or on drugs, I could get a 9-5 job I suppose but the money is hard to give up! Most of joe public that agree with this have an image of us that is not realistic, I'm not hot on the topic of politics and I totally understand that pimped/trafficked girls live in a hell on earth, it's a tricky subject.
If something is not perceived it doesn't exist.