This I can believe. I would actually prefer the Nordic model over this.

Do keep in mind Nordic model would also mean deportations if you're caught as an immigrant, if it would be anything like here.

At the end of the day though, plenty people work this job in countries where it's illegal, fullstop. If someone really wants to (or really has to) keep whoring, it's just a matter of adjusting the methods.

I meant purely criminalising the clients, but yeah migrants are always in some way affected, e.g. in New Zealand they have total decrim but only for citizens. And I understand that's the case for most but I don't know about myself, given that I've just signed up as a self employed escort, surely now they'd be keeping tabs on the people that previously said they were sex workers to make sure we're not still doing it*? And if I'm suddenly shelling out a few grand for my PhD, people are going to wonder where it came from. I'm sure there'd be little loopholes like not explicitly saying we're going to have sex for money etc. We'll just have to wait and see.

*Remember the Snooper's Charter could give the government more clarity as to what we're doing online, for example.

Thing is, this applies even if they only criminalize the client. As long as they catch a client in the act, they can seize your phone and other potential working devices on the grounds of investigating a crime. If you cooperate, your business is fucked. If you don't, you get deported unless you're a citizen, on the grounds of assisting criminal activity. That's how it works up here in places where the police can actually be bothered.

Our police, in towns where prostitution is viewed as an "issue", is known to go out of the way to figure out what location the girl's working from (fake bookings, among other things) and then hang around to catch other clients leaving. Nordic model might claim, on paper, to mostly target the buyer but honestly most of the harassment and police dealings are on the part of the girls still.

I know this, I am by no means arguing for the Nordic model, I'd just rather the focus wasn't on migrants only because it would be arguably easier to operate if we were all at some level of risk than if only migrants were. Given the current state of UK politics though, if something like this does happen it will almost certainly be centred on taking us down first.

Yeah, I totally get that. Sadly, even here, it's mostly immigrants that get fucked. LE mostly doesn't give a damn about a bunch of Norwegian girls working, but you can bet they will try to go after foreign women if given a chance. Considering the general political climates in Europe at the moment, I'm afraid us expats will be getting fucked over no matter the country and no matter the regulations.

Also it was said that once this is into play as they are trying to cut down on the amount of immigration if a foreign sex worker is caught once working after it has been criminalised she will be deported no questions asked.   And like I said I do not know if this is true or not but what if it is going to be?

They get deported immediately anyway, unless they're willing to go to court which is probably unlikely, plus they'd need more evidence than her statement (this is if she has been trafficked)

Quote from: Fluffy Bunny on 21 May 2015, 06:44:07 am

Also it was said that once this is into play as they are trying to cut down on the amount of immigration if a foreign sex worker is caught once working after it has been criminalised she will be deported no questions asked.   And like I said I do not know if this is true or not but what if it is going to be?

This I can believe. I would actually prefer the Nordic model over this. EU students are forced into homelessness the minute they graduate if they don't immediately find employment, because we get no social security even if we have lived here our whole lives, so this will cleverly remove another option we have and completely wreck our chances. I would be well and truly finished in this country, with nowhere to go. This does also go in line with the snooper's charter idea which I had a feeling would adversely impact this industry in some way.

That being said, there would still have to be a vote on it surely and I'm not buying this stuff about every MP that votes in favour of prostitution being investigated or whatever. I'm also not buying how we cost the country millions in sexual health checks. It sounds as if your client was a little biased himself. Just because he might have a legit position doesn't make him any less stupid than the rest of them, a lot of people have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to prostitution and by all means this probably includes him. I have zero idea how what he's saying has been "verified" either and isn't just something he suspects might happen.

Try not to sound so defeated, like I said there are campaigns in place to try and raise awareness and even if the law does go ahead, we can spend less of our time worrying and more of our time trying to make it clear what this would mean for us. I know that a lot of people here would continue to do the work, I can't risk it as I'd be risking deportation and I would be 100% screwed as this was already my last resort. So I'm not about to just roll over and take it, I will fight because I don't have the option not to.

That is shocking victory rose. I thought you could be entitled to benefits here even if you're not born here?

I think you've explained this before actually. I don't think many people are aware of this at all. Pm me if you do start any petition/campaign

I imagine this is just idle rumour.

It may be that the Tory government will take more steps to remove illegal immigrants which include those working in the sex trade - however I doubt it will touch escorts in general in the sense that the Tories will then not be able to employ sexual services any longer which would in turn spoil their own secret fun.

Think the Profumo affair ladies!

I bet there are quite a few Conservative MP's visiting ladies all over the country ....

... And when it doesn't?