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Shewolf

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Re: Unsettling news.
« Reply #15 on: 20 May 2015, 09:25:09 pm »
So not sure whether this is true, but had the company of a delightful man who is very much in the know how so yes he did verify his story.

But informed that he knows first hand that Ms Sturgeon and Mr Cameron are planning on criminalising prostitution in the next year.  I said impossible more than likely a few years and he is adament that nope it will be done in the next year if not by Crimbo, apparently they are going to use the immigration  line as in trying to curb it. 

Apparently Ms Sturgeon has been collecting her information and data over the past 18 months and now that she is where she is she will be able to push it through.  Cameron will be using the stance that prostitution is costing the country millions.

Whether this is all true or not Ms Laura Lee is going to be double checking the info for me.  On top of that apparently in Scotland over the next few months they are going to be cracking down on hotels and apartments being used for immoral purposes and that surveillance on various hotels are already in place, the Jury Inn in Jamaica street being one.

So ladies lets see what happens.  :-\

Hello Fluffy Bunny,

Forgive my ignorance but why is prostitution costing the country millions? In unpaid tax?? x

foxylady

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« Reply #16 on: 20 May 2015, 09:46:23 pm »
Blimey, that's really worrying.

Shouldn't we all start letter writing to both Nicola Sturgeon and Cameron.  How many members on here??

At least do something!

Happy to draft something for everyone to copy and paste, but loads of you women know far more than me for facts on this which are pertinent to our case.

C'mon ladies, it's important ?????.. I mean what did Gandhi do?  He just sat there, and it worked eventually!

At least we are lucky in the UK, we won't be killed, stoned or whatever for voicing an opinion, please use that opinion (so many women in less fortunate countries don't have) and stand up for our rights to do this job, because we choose to do this job.

If we all sent a copy to both downing street and holyrood, it would be showing we had a voice at the very least?

I may be new to it (since xmas) but I detest the way it is painted, it is a service, and should be treated as such.

For the cost of printing and 2 stamps?

Any offers?

victoryrose

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« Reply #17 on: 20 May 2015, 09:53:00 pm »
The ECP and various other organisations are campaigning for decriminilisation. This is already happening. :) Best option is to try and convince your local MP to sign the decrim pledge or at least to not vote Nordic.

(Not sure if I can post a link but just Google English Collective of Prostitutes decriminilization pledge.)

foxylady

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« Reply #18 on: 20 May 2015, 10:01:05 pm »
Cant even contact my local mp anymore since he's now deputy leader of the snp, so you can imagine what his stance will be on the matter!

Will check out your google link though, thanks victory rose.

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« Reply #19 on: 20 May 2015, 10:27:21 pm »
I would have asked him about where he got the source from and then verify myself. If he couldn't provide there and then will disregard his talk. There is no need to pannic. Some clients can come across convincing. A year of worrying is a long time to waste energy. Black and white text beats any hear say or especially what clients talk.

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« Reply #20 on: 20 May 2015, 10:36:15 pm »
Thanks for that meeting diversity, I was hoping things were going to get better after emailing laura lee, and reading this thread made me panic!

I just hate the way the whole thing is thought of, it's ridiculous, it is a service industry and the claptrap is what they all rely on to denounce it, it's so wrong.

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« Reply #21 on: 20 May 2015, 10:54:31 pm »
First off they wont ever make selling sex illegal as those who think we are poor pathetic abused unable to think for ourselves women want to protect us from the nasty men not make it so we can be arrested. 
They may try to make purchasing sex illegal but it is unenforceable if they even got it through.  For one the only way to do it would be to bug every Wgs premises to listen to see if payment is discussed and two the police don't have the numbers to waste doing something like that.  There is no way to prove payment for sex has taken place in someones own home so trying to prosecute punters will be nigh on impossible as proof is needed for prosecution

They have managed to make things very difficult in Sweden with these laws. They go around and help harass the girls by checking up on them under the guise of concern and make sure the neighbours and landlords know all about it.

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« Reply #22 on: 21 May 2015, 12:57:18 am »
With all the huge cuts in police budget (the recruiting at the metropolitan police academy was "frozen" for 3 years, that is:there were new recruits during that time) and the closing down of police stations in London left and right (my local police station was closed down) I just don't see criminalisation of prostitution happening. mainly there's not enough law enforcement. Criminalising prostitution means higher police budget (which comes from our taxes). I think the government has more important things on their "to do" list.
« Last Edit: 21 May 2015, 12:58:58 am by Ana30 »
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« Reply #23 on: 21 May 2015, 06:39:11 am »
So not sure whether this is true, but had the company of a delightful man who is very much in the know how so yes he did verify his story.

But informed that he knows first hand that Ms Sturgeon and Mr Cameron are planning on criminalising prostitution in the next year.  I said impossible more than likely a few years and he is adament that nope it will be done in the next year if not by Crimbo, apparently they are going to use the immigration  line as in trying to curb it. 

Apparently Ms Sturgeon has been collecting her information and data over the past 18 months and now that she is where she is she will be able to push it through.  Cameron will be using the stance that prostitution is costing the country millions.

Whether this is all true or not Ms Laura Lee is going to be double checking the info for me.  On top of that apparently in Scotland over the next few months they are going to be cracking down on hotels and apartments being used for immoral purposes and that surveillance on various hotels are already in place, the Jury Inn in Jamaica street being one.

So ladies lets see what happens.  :-\

Hello Fluffy Bunny,

Forgive my ignorance but why is prostitution costing the country millions? In unpaid tax?? x

Now this is what I found funny apparently it is due to the strain we put on the NHS with our sexual health visits and free condoms, also apparently policing of prostitution is a costly business.

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« Reply #24 on: 21 May 2015, 06:42:11 am »
I would have asked him about where he got the source from and then verify myself. If he couldn't provide there and then will disregard his talk. There is no need to pannic. Some clients can come across convincing. A year of worrying is a long time to waste energy. Black and white text beats any hear say or especially what clients talk.

Unfortunately due to the nature of his work and yes he did verify it with evidence I will not break his confidence.  But from what I can see it is all legit and writing to our MP's is not going to work as it has already been said that anybody who opposes this vote will be investigated as to why they are doing so.  Now you might all think this is all a bit far fetched but can we say for definate that we know what goes on behind those doors of Westminster and Holyrood and as we all know what a politician says and does are two totally different things.

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« Reply #25 on: 21 May 2015, 06:44:07 am »
Also it was said that once this is into play as they are trying to cut down on the amount of immigration if a foreign sex worker is caught once working after it has been criminalised she will be deported no questions asked.   And like I said I do not know if this is true or not but what if it is going to be?

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« Reply #26 on: 21 May 2015, 07:38:54 am »
So not sure whether this is true, but had the company of a delightful man who is very much in the know how so yes he did verify his story.

But informed that he knows first hand that Ms Sturgeon and Mr Cameron are planning on criminalising prostitution in the next year.  I said impossible more than likely a few years and he is adamant that nope it will be done in the next year if not by Crimbo, apparently they are going to use the immigration  line as in trying to curb it. 

Apparently Ms Sturgeon has been collecting her information and data over the past 18 months and now that she is where she is she will be able to push it through.  Cameron will be using the stance that prostitution is costing the country millions.

Whether this is all true or not Ms Laura Lee is going to be double checking the info for me.  On top of that apparently in Scotland over the next few months they are going to be cracking down on hotels and apartments being used for immoral purposes and that surveillance on various hotels are already in place, the Jury Inn in Jamaica street being one.

So ladies lets see what happens.  :-\

If you are not sure if it is true, other escorts shouldn't need to be alarmed of a statement that was said. If in a year from now it isn't true.  All this adamant talk like it is a fact looses credibility. Just stating here.  I would rather listen to myself first in situations  like this. If no evidence  then no fuss.

Nothing in certainty like a fact is the word apparently used.

All we can do is sit it out really and see if any thing comes of what a client who we know nothing about speaks the truth which is very unlikely.

Try not to be alarmed at this stage ladies about what was said. You could be worrying over nothing like a year in advance. I know I am not fussed other things are focused on.

All this gossip alarming some other escorts over some thing that the op doesn't know if is true but persuing like in case it is.  Enjoy your day ladies. :)
« Last Edit: 21 May 2015, 07:56:01 am by meetingdiversity »

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« Reply #27 on: 21 May 2015, 08:03:54 am »
My first thought when reading this thread was "why is she posting stuff which could be damaging or identifying for the client - unless of course she has his permission to stick it on a public forum".

That aside the anouncement this morning that foreign workers working without permission will have their wages seized have made me wonder if they'll use this to take money from sex workers who have been trafficked?and of course there are those who are working willingly but without work permits.

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« Reply #28 on: 21 May 2015, 08:49:18 am »
My first thought when reading this thread was "why is she posting stuff which could be damaging or identifying for the client - unless of course she has his permission to stick it on a public forum".

That aside the anouncement this morning that foreign workers working without permission will have their wages seized have made me wonder if they'll use this to take money from sex workers who have been trafficked?and of course there are those who are working willingly but without work permits.

I have his permission to discuss it but I will not mention what his role within the SNP is as I said I would not want to compromise it, as for whether it is true or not he was adament that this will be taking place and as I stated I have no reason not to believe him as he verified that what he said was true.  I am a skeptic and with everything going on and what Laura Lee is working on I doubt it can happen but you never know apparently Nicola Sturgeon is the next Margaret Thatcher and what Nicola wants Nicola gets.

You can make of this what you want MeetingDiversity but at the end of the day it is a very big possibility that by next year prostitution will be criminalised in Scotland and England will follow suit.

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« Reply #29 on: 21 May 2015, 12:19:53 pm »
Also it was said that once this is into play as they are trying to cut down on the amount of immigration if a foreign sex worker is caught once working after it has been criminalised she will be deported no questions asked.   And like I said I do not know if this is true or not but what if it is going to be?

This I can believe. I would actually prefer the Nordic model over this. EU students are forced into homelessness the minute they graduate if they don't immediately find employment, because we get no social security even if we have lived here our whole lives, so this will cleverly remove another option we have and completely wreck our chances. I would be well and truly finished in this country, with nowhere to go. This does also go in line with the snooper's charter idea which I had a feeling would adversely impact this industry in some way.

That being said, there would still have to be a vote on it surely and I'm not buying this stuff about every MP that votes in favour of prostitution being investigated or whatever. I'm also not buying how we cost the country millions in sexual health checks. It sounds as if your client was a little biased himself. Just because he might have a legit position doesn't make him any less stupid than the rest of them, a lot of people have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to prostitution and by all means this probably includes him. I have zero idea how what he's saying has been "verified" either and isn't just something he suspects might happen.

Try not to sound so defeated, like I said there are campaigns in place to try and raise awareness and even if the law does go ahead, we can spend less of our time worrying and more of our time trying to make it clear what this would mean for us. I know that a lot of people here would continue to do the work, I can't risk it as I'd be risking deportation and I would be 100% screwed as this was already my last resort. So I'm not about to just roll over and take it, I will fight because I don't have the option not to.
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