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ana30

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The Women?s Equality Party would criminalise buying sex
« on: 21 October 2015, 12:38:25 am »
Why do these women want to ruin my business?

What makes them think "they know" what's best for me?

i really really hope this doesn't go through.

w.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2015/10/women-s-equality-party-would-criminalise-buying-sex

(Sorry for the tone but these women make me very very angry)
« Last Edit: 21 October 2015, 12:55:19 am by Ana30 »
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« Reply #1 on: 21 October 2015, 08:51:27 pm »
Me too Ana. I follow a few feminists on my civvy twitter account - they often say great things but I have to bite my tongue when they talk about criminalising punters. They refuse to acknowledge that women can choose this career. According to them we must ALL be victims! The matriarchy is alive and well ;)

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« Reply #2 on: 22 October 2015, 12:42:32 am »
Me too Ana. I follow a few feminists on my civvy twitter account - they often say great things but I have to bite my tongue when they talk about criminalising punters. They refuse to acknowledge that women can choose this career. According to them we must ALL be victims! The matriarchy is alive and well ;)

But why do you bite your tongue Amelia?, you shouldn't do it (specially on twiter). If we don't voice our opinions strongly they are going to think everyone is cool with this. And it's not. I don't want a feminist telling me  what and whatnot to do with my pussy. Nor do you, so why keep quiet?
These women seem to have no problem voicing their opinions. So why should be keep quiet?

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« Reply #3 on: 22 October 2015, 05:25:55 pm »
Only because it's my civvy account and I don't want to inadvertently out myself!

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« Reply #4 on: 24 October 2015, 12:03:15 pm »
Only because it's my civvy account and I don't want to inadvertently out myself!

Hiya,

I also have a "civvie" twitter account. Like a lot of people on this forum half of the people around me know what I do and the other half doesn't. But that doesn't stop me from expressing my views /political opinions Amelia. I did reply to the so called "feminists" on twitter who want to tell me what to do and what-not  with my vagina. I was very vocal. I reminded them that the patriarchy had been controlling  women's sexuality for many centuries and now it looks like feminists are joining them in their crusade.

I got into a huge twitter argument with these female idiots. None of my civvie friends & family blinked an eye. They may not know I'm a sex worker, but they know my opinions and were I stand politically. None of the people that matter to me cared about my opinions in favor of sex workers and against the so called feminists because they have better things to do.

My point is: You can voice your opinion and still remain on the "prossie closet". But I don't think you're doing yourself a favour by keeping quiet. Sex work is your livehood, it's how you pay your bills/school/kids clothes whatever... And these idiots want to take it from you. And you should not remain quiet.
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« Reply #5 on: 24 October 2015, 01:32:47 pm »
Honestly Ana, I was having this discussion with some other sex worker activists last night (I'm the only one that's out to everyone in my life) and I think that what you're saying is pretty unhelpful. We can't force most sex workers to become activists, they either will or won't partake in Twitter fights in their own time. This stuff takes so much out of you, it is excruciatingly difficult, and once you get into it on a really active level, the attacks and threats start, people link you with your work account, the media can even get involved (this is even if you've stayed secretive about your true identity, unlike me).

I'm currently in the process of convincing my student's union to support decrim and go against any university decision to kick out a sex worker - even with a student population who tend to be very liberal people, I am facing so much bullshit and hatred, it is immensely difficult and I don't blame anybody who just wants to do this job for a couple of years/months, stay quiet about it, and then never raise the issue again. Remaining quiet is understandable when you consider what is at stake.

Me personally, I just couldn't do it - I'm already politically active and it felt wrong not to shout about my work, I've now been elected onto several committees in part due to the fact that I am in most cases the only out sex worker in the organisation, so it has helped a bit, but I know that soon I will have to reign it in if I want a proper chance at a career. You may think that because you're not being explicit about your involvement that nobody can take you down for it - they absolutely can. Some people just aren't willing to risk that, and I do not and will never blame them.

P.S: Despite the fact that this kind of activism takes up probably 60% of my total life right now, I have never bothered to engage in a Twitter argument - I promise you, you are convincing a total number of 0 people. Twitter is a fucking shit medium for expressing views properly considering the character limit, though it's good for one-liners on political issues, and anybody that has made an effort to tweet so harshly on this topic has firmly made their mind up. For me, the most effective thing ever is sitting people down individually, telling them I'm a sex worker, asking what they think and then shooting their ideas about how to regulate/criminalise sex work one by one. On a wider level, it's giving workshops to whole rooms of people about decrim (can be extremely overwhelming and outright heartbreaking if the room consists of anti-sw feminists though, but you still might convince people that way when you're forcing them to listen to you for a solid half hour or hour). Twitter fights just don't seem worth it when nobody even cares what you say tbh, at least with more direct forms of activism you experience the same backlash but with greater reward.

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Re: The Women�s Equality Party would criminalise buying sex
« Reply #6 on: 24 October 2015, 03:12:00 pm »
Honestly Ana, I was having this discussion with some other sex worker activists last night (I'm the only one that's out to everyone in my life) and I think that what you're saying is pretty unhelpful. We can't force most sex workers to become activists, they either will or won't partake in Twitter fights in their own time. This stuff takes so much out of you, it is excruciatingly difficult, and once you get into it on a really active level, the attacks and threats start, people link you with your work account, the media can even get involved (this is even if you've stayed secretive about your true identity, unlike me).

I'm currently in the process of convincing my student's union to support decrim and go against any university decision to kick out a sex worker - even with a student population who tend to be very liberal people, I am facing so much bullshit and hatred, it is immensely difficult and I don't blame anybody who just wants to do this job for a couple of years/months, stay quiet about it, and then never raise the issue again. Remaining quiet is understandable when you consider what is at stake.

Me personally, I just couldn't do it - I'm already politically active and it felt wrong not to shout about my work, I've now been elected onto several committees in part due to the fact that I am in most cases the only out sex worker in the organisation, so it has helped a bit, but I know that soon I will have to reign it in if I want a proper chance at a career. You may think that because you're not being explicit about your involvement that nobody can take you down for it - they absolutely can. Some people just aren't willing to risk that, and I do not and will never blame them.

P.S: Despite the fact that this kind of activism takes up probably 60% of my total life right now, I have never bothered to engage in a Twitter argument - I promise you, you are convincing a total number of 0 people. Twitter is a fucking shit medium for expressing views properly considering the character limit, though it's good for one-liners on political issues, and anybody that has made an effort to tweet so harshly on this topic has firmly made their mind up. For me, the most effective thing ever is sitting people down individually, telling them I'm a sex worker, asking what they think and then shooting their ideas about how to regulate/criminalise sex work one by one. On a wider level, it's giving workshops to whole rooms of people about decrim (can be extremely overwhelming and outright heartbreaking if the room consists of anti-sw feminists though, but you still might convince people that way when you're forcing them to listen to you for a solid half hour or hour). Twitter fights just don't seem worth it when nobody even cares what you say tbh, at least with more direct forms of activism you experience the same backlash but with greater reward.

I'm sorry Victory rose but I believe you have a very black and white view of things. Meaning: In your eyes you are either a hardcore activist or a closeted prossie who needs to keep her political opinions to herself. I believe there is a grey scale  in the middle were you can voice your political opinions and what you think of certain laws without necessarily having to be a prossie.

I remember the protests against the closing fo the Soho Brothels, it was full of artists, musicians, dancers etc... protesting. You don't need to be a prossie to have an opinion and voice it.
« Last Edit: 24 October 2015, 03:17:59 pm by Ana30 »
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« Reply #7 on: 24 October 2015, 06:52:29 pm »
Really not sure where you got that idea, the point I was making is that the majority of sex workers will not want any part in it and that that is fine. I never denied that people that have opinions on sex work don't necessarily have to be prostitutes, but if you want to be super active it will be obvious (or at least sex workers fear this which is why you see so many non sex workers being active but not as many actual sex workers), and if you just want to stick to Twitter then it's a little pointless as nobody will be convinced by you. I don't think you read my post properly but hopefully that clears it up.

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Re: The Women�s Equality Party would criminalise buying sex
« Reply #8 on: 24 October 2015, 06:54:23 pm »
P.S: Despite the fact that this kind of activism takes up probably 60% of my total life right now, I have never bothered to engage in a Twitter argument - I promise you, you are convincing a total number of 0 people. Twitter is a fucking shit medium for expressing views properly considering the character limit, though it's good for one-liners on political issues, and anybody that has made an effort to tweet so harshly on this topic has firmly made their mind up.

I strongly agree with this. For my part, while I am happy to talk with anyone who engages me on the subject (I'm out and open about it), I have no intention of dragging myself into arguments on the internet. If nothing else, the extreme hostility the environment breeds makes me feel stressed and really aggressive to others afterwards, and I don't feel like dealing with that.

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« Reply #9 on: 21 January 2016, 07:14:09 pm »
P.S: Despite the fact that this kind of activism takes up probably 60% of my total life right now, I have never bothered to engage in a Twitter argument - I promise you, you are convincing a total number of 0 people. Twitter is a fucking shit medium for expressing views properly considering the character limit, though it's good for one-liners on political issues, and anybody that has made an effort to tweet so harshly on this topic has firmly made their mind up.

I strongly agree with this. For my part, while I am happy to talk with anyone who engages me on the subject (I'm out and open about it), I have no intention of dragging myself into arguments on the internet. If nothing else, the extreme hostility the environment breeds makes me feel stressed and really aggressive to others afterwards, and I don't feel like dealing with that.

Hi, I'm new to this site and I totally agree with this. There are so many pitfalls to engaging in Twitter style debates that I avoid post stress. I was once talking to so called 'pro sex worker' activists and I used the term prostitute to refer to myself. I was admonished thoroughly for my intellectual deviance in doing so and subjected to an postponed bully style attack which begin with the incredibly histrionic claim that I was promoting violence against sex workers by using the term. When I tried to argue that I was, myself, a prostitute and it was the language I used for myself, it made no difference. My appearance was attacked, I was called 'jokey' male names, called stupid...tThe stress it caused was awful from so called supporters so I vowed never to get involved with online 'activism' again.  :-X :-X :-X

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« Reply #10 on: 21 January 2016, 07:30:55 pm »
The problem with most kinds of social media is it seems to encourage a whole lot of nastiness and extreme opinion, and I'd be interested to see how much difference social media campaigns make in real terms as opposed to convential types of activism. I think it makes people feel they are making a difference and there's nothing wrong in that per se, but in reality?

I'm well aware a minority of social media campaigns make a difference, but in general it seems to me a whole lot of spatting and negativity results in exactly nothing.

In my real life my mother is a feminist and I know she'd be horrified at what I'm doing.  Its strange that sex work is one thing that makes right/left wing and feminists agree.

I cannot afford to be out and proud but would love to find a way to help behind the scenes with genuine activists.

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« Reply #11 on: 21 January 2016, 08:27:10 pm »
I'm not out to the world but I'm out to anyone important in my life and not entirely fussed if it makes people put 2 & 2 together when I try to put in my 2pence worth on the Internet regarding sex work,  but honestly it just seems futile to me to bother now, I've been told I suffer cognitive dissonance or don't care about the women who are forced into prostitution  (apparently 90% of us are! ) because I support sex work and sex workers rights.
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« Reply #12 on: 14 June 2016, 12:49:58 pm »
They are probably the same women who refuse sex or intimacy to their husbands a couple of years after marriage

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« Reply #13 on: 14 June 2016, 07:46:46 pm »
Unfortunately these kind of movements are full of extremists who think they know what is best for everyone. Attacking sex work is really just another way for them to punish men who they see as benefiting from it which is why they want to make buying it a crime. None of these ideas come from a place of logic it comes from having a very biased and skewed view of the world. I believe in actual equality where everyone deserves the same rights and respect based on their character not gender,race what their interests are etc as anyone else which includes sex workers and their customers. This brand of political feminism much like the other extreme left movements seek to remove choice from people and enforce their rules for everyone.

They should focus on punishing crimes not people legally doing business between two consenting parties.

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« Reply #14 on: 15 June 2016, 01:23:55 pm »
They are probably the same women who refuse sex or intimacy to their husbands a couple of years after marriage


Hate to say it but its lucky for us that a lot of women do refuse sex/intimacy otherwise we would be out of a job.