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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #15 on: 09 December 2020, 04:43:22 pm »
...They're a bit of gesture politics, really.
...but as this law is in place as close as Northern Ireland, and as the Scottish government is currently pushing to bring it to Scotland, we can't afford to just sit back, IMO.

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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #16 on: 09 December 2020, 04:43:54 pm »
Okay so the first reading has passed, which is apparently not unusual before MP's have had a chance to look at the bill.

The turnout for the debates can be fairly low, depending on where they are in the day. When the details are on parliament.uk (and I can't spot them there yet) it's worth seeing what your MP did: vote for, vote against, or not vote and target your response appropriately.

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But it's pretty vital that we get MP's to understand and oppose it now before the second reading.

There isn't going to be one. If it has passed - and it's not showing as having done so - it will join a queue, and as well as being behind previous ten minute bills, it's behind every single 'private members bill'. There's a ballot for twenty of those at the start of every Parliamentary session to be in that bit of the queue, and only those ones ahead of something one of the bigots doesn't like has any chance of getting through to a vote on its second reading.

So ten minute rule bills have almost zero chance. This one will be (counts) 50th in that second queue, or 70th overall.
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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #17 on: 09 December 2020, 04:49:49 pm »
...but as this law is in place as close as Northern Ireland, and as the Scottish government is currently pushing to bring it to Scotland, we can't afford to just sit back, IMO.

I'm absolutely not saying the fight against the dangerous bit of gesture politics that's criminalising clients isn't important, but that this particular bill isn't going anywhere.

Using it as an opportunity to do some lobbying, great.
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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #18 on: 10 December 2020, 12:02:05 am »
The MP who spoke against was Ms Lyn Brown (West Ham, also Labour) and she nailed many of the reasons for going 'this is harmful crap'.

It is scheduled for the second reading (= stage, each bill is 'read' at least three times in both the House of Commons and the House of Lords, with the second and third readings being the real debates, before becoming a law) on the 29th January, but so are a bunch of others. This will be nowhere near the start of the queue and if there's no time for it, it just doesn't happen.

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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #19 on: 10 December 2020, 04:05:16 pm »
The two speeches are here: hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2020-12-09/debates/87394231-D941-4EC4-A744-52643AB26E5C/SexualExploitation
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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #20 on: 10 December 2020, 04:49:38 pm »
Thank you xw5. That's all good to know!

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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #21 on: 10 December 2020, 04:56:05 pm »
The two speeches are here: hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2020-12-09/debates/87394231-D941-4EC4-A744-52643AB26E5C/SexualExploitation

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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #22 on: 11 December 2020, 05:48:00 pm »
Would this bill also be about removing advertising of escort / adult sites such as AW & Viva st like they did in the USA
Or is it mainly the Nordic model
I know that in Norway & Sweden despite having the Nordic model all the main advertising sites that have been running for years are still online
And in Ireland you still have Escort Ireland for Belfast and other parts of Northern Ireland
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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #23 on: 11 December 2020, 10:00:36 pm »
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Would this bill also be about removing advertising of escort / adult sites such as AW & Viva st like they did in the USA
Or is it mainly the Nordic model

It's designed to be both, this is what Diana Johnson has said about it;

"My Sexual Exploitation Bill would deter demand by criminalising paying for sex. It would prevent pimping websites from fuelling trafficking by prohibiting enabling or profiting from another person’s prostitution. Crucially, my bill would also decriminalise victims of sexual exploitation by removing sanctions for soliciting, and instead give victims the support services they need to rebuild their lives."

So criminalising buying, preventing websites from 'enabling' another persons prostitution, removing sanctions from soliciting (good, but not sure if that means actually decriminalising it & no mention of removing or amending brothel laws so we could work together) & presumably teaching us how to use a sewing machine so we can learn our place and do 'good' work since they consider us all to be victims :D.

Anyway, xw5 knows what he's talking about so hopefully it'll come to nothing but it doesn't hurt to fight back against the disinformation.

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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #24 on: 12 December 2020, 01:46:58 pm »
...& presumably teaching us how to use a sewing machine so we can learn our place and do 'good' work since they consider us all to be victims :D.
Haha!

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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #25 on: 12 December 2020, 06:16:26 pm »
Thank you Cass
I’ve been reading up on 10min bills and 99 percent of them go nowhere as Ian mentioned
And most MPs use as a way of of gaining publicity for there causes
Glad that one MP spoke against it as well -

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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #26 on: 13 December 2020, 05:00:58 pm »
Is there a place to check what each particular MP has voted?

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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #27 on: 13 December 2020, 08:27:40 pm »
Is there a place to check what each particular MP has voted?

Voting records are usually on theyworkforyou.com, and people can also find their MP on there with the postcode search :).

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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #28 on: 14 December 2020, 09:52:38 am »
Is there a place to check what each particular MP has voted?

There is, as Amy said, but there wasn't a vote at this stage.

If you look at the page on the debate linked to earlier, "Question put and agreed to" is Parliamentary speak for 'not enough people objected to bother having a vote'. That doesn't mean a vast majority were in favour, so much as there being people not wanting to go on record as opposing this - one of the reasons that Lyn Brown deserves applause for being the person who spoke against it - and knowing that it's extremely unlikely to be going anywhere anyway.
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Re: Ten minute rule bill on Wednesday England & Wales
« Reply #29 on: 14 December 2020, 12:29:47 pm »
There is, as Amy said, but there wasn't a vote at this stage.

If you look at the page on the debate linked to earlier, "Question put and agreed to" is Parliamentary speak for 'not enough people objected to bother having a vote'. That doesn't mean a vast majority were in favour, so much as there being people not wanting to go on record as opposing this - one of the reasons that Lyn Brown deserves applause for being the person who spoke against it - and knowing that it's extremely unlikely to be going anywhere anyway.
Ahh got it, thank you! I was trying to look for what did I do wrong since I wasn't able to find what my MP had voted. I guess it makes sense, no one wants to oppose a "sexual exploitation" bill without giving it a read at least.