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Could this be the massive game changer for touring and advertising that I think it is? I reproduce the front page article in today's Sunday Times:

Internet giants 'profit' from pop-up brothels - No 10 considers new laws on sex trafficking

Internet giants were accused of profiting from sex trafficking in Britain last night as security chiefs warned of a new wave of 'pop-up brothels' sweeping the country. The National Crime Agency (NCA) accused firms such as Google and Facebook of "making profits" from the trafficking of vulnerable women, many of whom end up in temporary sex clubs and massage parlours that have sprung up around the country.

The agency's "modern slavery tsar" said web companies have become the "key enabler for the sexual exploitation of trafficked victims in the UK" and demanded action.

"Pop-up" sex clubs have been discovering in Cornwall, Cambridge, Swindon, and holiday cottages in the Peak District, which recently enraged the Bishop of Derby, the Rev Alastair Redfern. The Sunday Times also found three such clubs operating last week in luxury flats near Hyde Park, central London.

Theresa May was briefed on the growth of online sex trafficking on Wednesday at a meeting of the modern slavery task force - established by the prime minister.

Last night senior government sources said ministers are considering new laws to make internet giants such as Google and Facebook liable when human traffickers use their sites to "pimp" their victims to potential clients.

Downing Street officials said that May and Matt Hancock, the secretary of state for digital, culture, media and sport, are actively examining landmark legislation being passed in America that for the first time would make technology firms and social media giants responsible if they publish content that leads to trafficking.

In a statement issued by Downing Street, May said: "Modern slavery destroys the lives of some of the most vulnerable in our society. All too often we see criminals coerce people with false promises of a better life, only to treat their victims as commodities for sexual exploitation. As the hosts of user-generated content, Internet companies can and should be doing more to prevent trafficking-related material from appearing on their platforms."

Will Kerr, the NCA's head of vulnerabilities, said:"People are using the internet and social media sites to enable sexual exploitation and trafficking. It is clear that the internet platforms which host and make a profit out of this type of material need to do more to identify and stop these forms of exploitation."

The US laws, which were resisted for months by the Internet Association, an organisation funded by Google, Facebook and others, will overturn more than 20 years of blanket immunity afforded to web companies that profit from criminality on their sites.

It means that if people advertise the services of trafficked women and children, and clients find them using Google or Facebook, the tech giants could be criminally liable.

The legislation, which is expected to pass through the Senate shortly, makes firms liable if they "knowingly assist, support or facilitate" content that leads to trafficking, especially the trafficking of minors."

Last week the UK version of the listings site was still hosting hundreds of explicit postings for sexual service in Britain. Many were also cross-listed on Facebook.

The tech giants have spent millions on lobbyists to water down and delay the new US internet regulations in the name of free speech. Facebook and other web companies backed down late last year and agreed with amendments to the legislation, although Google still believes that Backpage.com should be targeted with the existing laws.

This weekend senior sources in Downing Street and the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport said they are "looking at " whether and how to replicate the action in the UK, but pointed out that this can be done only when it leaves the EU in March 2019.

A Downing Street source said:"We are looking at this. The prime minister has made clear that Brexit gives us opportunities, and one of the areas where we might diverge from EU rules is in the digital arena."

Some cases involving traffickers' use of internet sites to commit their crimes have recently passed through the UK courts.

Last May David Archer was jailed for 13 years for running a 16m prostitution empire using an adult website that can be accessed via Google and Facebook. The Essex property tycoon trafficked "vulnerable" women into the UK and put them to work in a string of hotels and brothels.

Their services were advertised on a website called Adultwork, which is freely available on Google and has a community page on Facebook that features scantily clad photographs of women.

This weekend a Westminster council task force revealed that it had uncovered three luxury flats in the London borough being used as pop-up brothels. Investigators found that the properties were booked and advertised to clients using websites.

It is understood that Google does not profit from Adultwork as it has a zero tolerance policy for adverts that promote escort services and prostitution.

Facebook said it welcomed the new US legislation.
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Re: Adultwork and Backpage seriously in the sights of legislators
« Reply #1 on: 04 March 2018, 02:08:59 pm »
That really does not bode well. Dark days ahead me thinks x
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Re: Adultwork and Backpage seriously in the sights of legislators
« Reply #2 on: 04 March 2018, 03:22:53 pm »
Depends how you look at it I think. It's in everyone's interests to ensure that the kind of exploitation they're talking about is prevented and stopped; unfortunately achieving it is no easy feat. The most likely outcome in terms of AW and BP might be revisions to their regulations and verification policies which, while possibly inconvenient and onerous, should be manageable for legit SPs and might also help to weed out scammers, spammers and fakes as well as tackling the main issue which could be an added bonus.
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Re: Adultwork and Backpage seriously in the sights of legislators
« Reply #3 on: 04 March 2018, 04:00:50 pm »
Depends how you look at it I think. It's in everyone's interests to ensure that the kind of exploitation they're talking about is prevented and stopped; unfortunately achieving it is no easy feat. The most likely outcome in terms of AW and BP might be revisions to their regulations and verification policies which, while possibly inconvenient and onerous, should be manageable for legit SPs and might also help to weed out scammers, spammers and fakes as well as tackling the main issue which could be an added bonus.

I agree with this in some ways. However you'd have thought that if the gov't truly wanted to prevent exploitation of vulnerable people, they'd actually direct the police to target and close down the brothels rather than penalising a website which has no hand in it - and in the case of AW, does have quite strict verification processes?

You're also then pushing sex work effectively underground - does anyone want to return to the 80s and 90s placing ads in local papers with cagey wording like "firm massage by strict mistress"?
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Re: Adultwork and Backpage seriously in the sights of legislators
« Reply #4 on: 04 March 2018, 04:22:47 pm »
I honestly dont think much is being done about trafficking really.  Where I am based more and more oriental massage shops are opening, the majority offer sexual services, and you can see their reviews online if you just google the name and address of the place.  Literally every town and village seems to have one.  Nothing is being done about it, they are all operating in the open.

It drives me mad when ladies like us working of our own free will could be affected by this, I wish they would just come down really really hard on the pimps, who run these girls and leave the rest of us to just get on with it.

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Re: Adultwork and Backpage seriously in the sights of legislators
« Reply #5 on: 05 March 2018, 11:41:04 pm »
Words words words for political promotion.

The brexit nightmare that is coming our way with all the changes in legistalitions and negotiations is going to take all the energy out of this government. I believe loosing the banking passport and with it -london as a financial center-, companies leaving, export/import prices going up, solving the mess of a 40 year divorce from the eu (with all the changes of legislation that implies etc..) while the labour party eats popcorn and watches the actual government implode  has the tories in a state of mind were hookers... are the least of their worries right now. However, it makes them looks good on paper for the tories to say: "Once we leave the EU we will end the er... "trafficking". Yes mate, you also forget to say that once we leave the EU we will all drive volvos and watch the sun come out forever in the UK and the reason this was not happening was because all of those corrupt politicans in Brussels.

I can see the next headlines of tomorrows Daily News: "Brexit ending sexual slavery".
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Re: Adultwork and Backpage seriously in the sights of legislators
« Reply #6 on: 11 March 2018, 09:29:00 pm »
No problem for me at all.
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Re: Adultwork and Backpage seriously in the sights of legislators
« Reply #7 on: 11 March 2018, 09:51:19 pm »
No problem for me at all.

Oh well... once out of EU regulations the UK gov will be able to ban whatever site they deem necessary, and aw is one of their targeted sites. If that's no problem for you at all, lucky you! :-) I guess we have a different business model as unfortunately IT IS a problem for me (going back to planting cards on phone booth is not an option). Oh and saafe will be probably targeted and we will need to give our ID details to some third party in order to access it as it contains "adult content".
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Re: Adultwork and Backpage seriously in the sights of legislators
« Reply #8 on: 12 March 2018, 12:58:44 pm »
Oh well... once out of EU regulations the UK gov will be able to ban whatever site they deem necessary, and aw is one of their targeted sites. If that's no problem for you at all, lucky you! :-) I guess we have a different business model as unfortunately IT IS a problem for me (going back to planting cards on phone booth is not an option). Oh and saafe will be probably targeted and we will need to give our ID details to some third party in order to access it as it contains "adult content".

I think it?s best to just wait and see. I?ve been there before in a panic when AW took my profile down last year. For me I don?t think anything else happening with the business could be worse. There will always be a way round it. X
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Re: Adultwork and Backpage seriously in the sights of legislators
« Reply #9 on: 12 March 2018, 07:43:41 pm »
Another problem  for us to worry about  :FF

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Re: Adultwork and Backpage seriously in the sights of legislators
« Reply #10 on: 12 March 2018, 07:57:40 pm »
Another problem  for us to worry about  :FF

Like we didn't have enough  ???
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