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General Category => Politics and academic/media queries => Topic started by: LittleMinx2 on 24 March 2022, 09:45:04 am

Title: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: LittleMinx2 on 24 March 2022, 09:45:04 am
So I was reading about the new online safety bill getting passed in the uk. What will this mean for us that use sites such as adultwork? Will they be getting banned in the uk?
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: One More Rodeo on 26 March 2022, 07:03:43 pm
I also would like to know... :FF  I don't think the Bill was passed yet?
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: LittleMinx2 on 27 March 2022, 11:14:02 pm
I also would like to know... :FF  I don't think the Bill was passed yet?

It was passed on March 17th. By the looks of it, it could effect adultsites
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: MsRedhead on 28 March 2022, 12:40:18 am
It was passed on March 17th. By the looks of it, it could effect adultsites

It wasn't. It's only had its first reading in the Commons. The second reading is underway

Yes, it intends to criminalise advertisements relating to "controlling prostitution for gain" so has the potential to have a chilling effect and lead to more deplatforming of sex workers.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: LittleMinx2 on 31 March 2022, 06:38:33 pm
It wasn't. It's only had its first reading in the Commons. The second reading is underway


Ah, apologies. My friend said it had passed. Didn't mean to spread false information.
Yes, it intends to criminalise advertisements relating to "controlling prostitution for gain" so has the potential to have a chilling effect and lead to more deplatforming of sex workers.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Escortx on 31 March 2022, 07:15:42 pm
What will happen if we can’t advertise? Make our own sites ?
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Fannyrose on 05 April 2022, 03:54:36 pm
The directories will probably offshire thier companies. Or stop us displaying our enjoys / services list.

I think a certain punting will be affected by it more
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: northernstar on 07 April 2022, 01:47:29 pm
I wonder how this is going to affect AdultWork since it’s registered in Malta or Cyprus. Can they still block that somehow?
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Escortx on 08 April 2022, 08:20:35 am
I hope it doesn’t stop adult work. Or make it the clients have to have an account to see the numbers etc like a few months ago
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Fannyrose on 09 April 2022, 08:46:59 am
I hope it doesn’t stop adult work. Or make it the clients have to have an account to see the numbers etc like a few months ago

Even if ae gets banned by uk , you still be able to access it via VPN lile the sites in the UAE
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Escortx on 09 April 2022, 11:20:14 am
Most the guys I see can’t even use a smart phone well. I doubt they’d use a vpn :(
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: amy on 25 April 2022, 02:41:40 pm
Petition here for anybody who wants to make their view known :)

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/614408
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: franticgirl90 on 25 April 2022, 11:26:46 pm
Just for an update... I spent 3 h watching this bloody 2nd reading. They haven't mentioned advertising or even prostitution or trafficking even once! It's all about kids and kids' protection online. Now the bill is in the committee stage and they will analyze it line by line and implement changes. Hopefully, they will completely erase the advertising part because it seems irrelevant to the whole concept of this bill. They have time to do it until June I think.
There is a link to a marshalled list of amendments but nothing there yet: https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3137/publications
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Vintage Miss on 26 April 2022, 06:27:08 pm
I wonder how this is going to affect AdultWork since it’s registered in Malta or Cyprus. Can they still block that somehow?

It includes any company that has substantial links to the UK, which includes having a lot of UK based users, which would include AW.

The terms "inciting or controlling prostitution for gain" are pretty vague though, as it could be argued that sites like Adultwork do neither, as both imply active direct involvement in bringing women into prostitution and then controlling their work. If a term such as 'facilitating' was used, that would be more clearly damning against directories. Its pretty confusing and uncertain. Like, maybe the pressure will be on sites like AW to get rid of agency advertising and so forth, that may be me being hugely optimistic. But there again, according to the ECP's website it has long been against the law to advertise sexual services in the UK in any case, so maybe even if this passes it'll sit like other of the mass of British legislation, like a lame duck.  ???
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Lady Frog on 26 April 2022, 08:37:42 pm
In my opinion, they may leave it deliberately vague, so they have a wide scope to interpret it and apply it however they so choose after it has been introduced.

The legal system we have in the UK is what is called a 'common law' system. This means our laws are not just made up of the words that are written in the statute books, but also how they are applied in practice.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Vintage Miss on 26 April 2022, 10:09:15 pm
Yea, common laws are when decisions made by judges due to 'holes in the legislation' become precedent and are reproduced, but statutes are policy laws made by gov and they are the 'last word' of law. It would be good to read the rest of the bit of the bill that deals specifically with this to see if it clarifies what it means by this, and how it proposes to deal with it. I know Ofcom is being tasked to deal with stuff around porn and consent for example. But I've tried looking at the bill but its gargantuan technocrats dream and I can't scroll anymore.  :-\
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Deefender on 02 May 2022, 03:39:31 am
Petition here for anybody who wants to make their view known :)

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/614408
This needs properly spreading x thanku x
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Red_rosie on 07 May 2022, 11:54:46 am
It is indeed quite scary, within the list it includes “inciting or controlling prostitution for gain” with punishment being large fines and jail sentences for site owners.
I’ve been doing a lot of research into the bill and I am still researching as to what can be done and the loopholes to get around the bill. I’ll keep this thread updated with my findings.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: SAAFE on 07 May 2022, 12:39:57 pm
It is indeed quite scary, within the list it includes “inciting or controlling prostitution for gain” with punishment being large fines and jail sentences for site owners.

Inciting or controlling prostitution for gain is illegal already and is what we call pimping.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Sarah5677 on 08 May 2022, 11:23:59 am
Just my personal opinion..
i don’t see this bill getting passed.
Platforms would get a way around things but removing likes list or anything escort related
And it would make the industry far more dangerous
Although it is worrying they are pushing for this I don’t actually see it ever happening.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Miffy on 08 May 2022, 11:31:52 am
Have been wondering how will this effect the independents whose website feature a list/page of friends with links to their websites. Does this count as the site owner being a facilitator or even mark them as someone who is inciting or controlling prostitution in some way?
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Mirror on 08 May 2022, 04:04:38 pm
Just my personal opinion..
i don’t see this bill getting passed.
Platforms would get a way around things but removing likes list or anything escort related
And it would make the industry far more dangerous
Although it is worrying they are pushing for this I don’t actually see it ever happening.

The bill could be past because it's focus isn't prostitution, the prostitution part is only a small part.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Sarah5677 on 08 May 2022, 08:45:27 pm
The bill could be past because it's focus isn't prostitution, the prostitution part is only a small part.

Yes but the prostitution comes under the same umbrella in that bill. Which would put sex workers at enormous risks. Hence I don’t think this bill will go through.
It would put lives at risk and ask much as they are pushing for it I don’t see this happening not even in the slightest. But I could be wrong as I say it’s only my opinion.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: MsRedhead on 08 May 2022, 10:05:10 pm
Yes but the prostitution comes under the same umbrella in that bill. Which would put sex workers at enormous risks. Hence I don’t think this bill will go through.
It would put lives at risk and ask much as they are pushing for it I don’t see this happening not even in the slightest. But I could be wrong as I say it’s only my opinion.

it'll pass.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Vintage Miss on 09 May 2022, 07:33:11 am
It could also go through and then sit gathering dust, not being carried out most of the time, like a lot of the mountains of British legislation.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Sarah5677 on 09 May 2022, 04:10:55 pm
Even if it does go through I am hoping escort sites just remove likes list and keep things basic rather than nothing at all.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Vintage Miss on 10 May 2022, 07:52:39 am
Even if it does go through I am hoping escort sites just remove likes list and keep things basic rather than nothing at all.

Cross fingers you are correct, I'd love it if sites removed likes lists.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Sarah5677 on 10 May 2022, 01:09:11 pm
Cross fingers you are correct, I'd love it if sites removed likes lists.

Yeah I am hoping if it does happen they will still allow basic massage ads. With no mention of any likes ect.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Lady Frog on 10 May 2022, 06:07:56 pm
The thing is even if the law is altered from it's current wording, we don't know how it will be applied. It could be interpreted that any individual or business involved in owning, running or hosting sites that offer sex for sale (with somebody other than themselves) will be breaking the law. Even if it is applied more leniently, many site s will get rid of us as soon as it is passed to make sure they stay on the right side of the law.

For example I personally expect that site builders such as wix and squarespace will no longer be willing to host escort sites in the UK if this hideous mess of legislation manages to get through.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Red_rosie on 12 May 2022, 09:49:11 pm
The thing is even if the law is altered from it's current wording, we don't know how it will be applied. It could be interpreted that any individual or business involved in owning, running or hosting sites that offer sex for sale (with somebody other than themselves) will be breaking the law. Even if it is applied more leniently, many site s will get rid of us as soon as it is passed to make sure they stay on the right side of the law.

For example I personally expect that site builders such as wix and squarespace will no longer be willing to host escort sites in the UK if this hideous mess of legislation manages to get through.

This would definitely be the case, any company that isn’t specialising in the adult sector will just get rid of anything that goes against the bill.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Sarah5677 on 13 May 2022, 11:44:11 am
Does anybody know when the last reading is for the bill? I know it’s got abit to go but any idea how how it maybe has?
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Red_rosie on 14 May 2022, 08:21:59 am
Does anybody know when the last reading is for the bill? I know it’s got abit to go but any idea how how it maybe has?

24th and 26th May are the evidence sessions for the bill. Will keep everyone updated.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: CharlotteA on 17 May 2022, 06:45:28 pm
... Here is another Petition to sign, with many more signatures on it.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/601932


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Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Abbeycro on 17 May 2022, 06:57:15 pm
Looking on the UK Parliament website they are asking for people to contact them with info "if you have relevant expertise and experience or a special interest in the Online Safety Bill, which is currently passing through Parliament"

We can submit our views in writing to the House of Commons Public Bill Committee which is going to consider this Bill.  This request was posted on 20th April 22.  Would it be worth all of us writing to them telling them the effect it would have on us all, maybe if enough people did this, it could be changed or am I being a bit naïve.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: CharlotteA on 18 May 2022, 11:14:41 am
... I have this link that may be of interest to those reading who don't want to go directly to the government website (in regard to responding to how the "Online Safely Bill" will directly effect you), where I suspect they want your name and address...

https://prostitutescollective.net/online-safety-bill-callout


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Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Ms Ellie on 23 May 2022, 09:50:44 pm
 ??? :FF Oh no.. will this also affect independent individual websites??
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Red_rosie on 27 May 2022, 06:11:33 am
Most likely yes
??? :FF Oh no.. will this also affect independent individual websites??

Most likely yes, depending on who your hosting is with.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Deefender on 15 June 2022, 11:13:16 pm
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/614408
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: northernstar on 16 June 2022, 02:43:53 pm
Hello all, any updates on this ?
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: KirstyKiss on 13 July 2022, 09:27:57 pm
It's been dropped from Commons business today, apparently.
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: pussycat on 14 July 2022, 11:18:04 pm
Yay it’s being postponed until the new prime minister is in place  :D
Title: Online safety bill
Post by: Sarah5677 on 31 August 2022, 08:45:10 pm
With this new law looming.. I am just wondering what everybody’s thoughts are on this if it comes into place which is now likely.
Would that be the end of adultwork and viva street?

Im kind of stressing right now. ESP with bills going up  :(
Title: Re: Online safety bill
Post by: Helen4444 on 31 August 2022, 08:49:57 pm
What's the new law sorry I've not heard anything?
Title: Re: Online safety bill
Post by: Mirror on 31 August 2022, 09:19:22 pm
It's here;

https://saafe.info/main/politics-and-academicmedia-queries/online-safety-bill-uk/
Title: Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
Post by: Helen4444 on 01 September 2022, 09:28:43 am
Surely they can't take down AW and Vivastreet?