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RB1

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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #60 on: 07 August 2023, 08:48:49 am »
Yes years ago paper adverts allowed adverts under massage and escort services and charged a lot more than other adverts but no mention of sex was allowed. What would the point be if the government passed this bill but still allowed Adultwork and Viva to operate but just not mentioning services then nothing has changed apart from us having even more timewasters than ever not only on the phone but in person.

If they are wanting to stop sex adverts online that starts with Adultwork and viva not having any adult section.

But “massage “ is massage
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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #61 on: 10 August 2023, 08:47:38 pm »
We prob all become models and charge modelling rates or social dates. No mention of sexual services. If it does pass it take til 2024 to come into force so directories and classifieds sites have time to change their websites.

You never get rid of sex work. I remember doing parlours and paper ads and escort agencies where you had social dates only. Go back to the old days and you discuss sex services (if indie) via txt/ email. Or parlours / agencies it be discuss services with lady of your choice in the room (parlours) or agency discuss on your date.

Or you see a lot of VIP massage or fully inclusive massage services offered. Words like that.

Some escorts will quit and go into cam work and adult content.


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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #62 on: 11 August 2023, 11:40:53 am »
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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #63 on: 13 August 2023, 01:06:21 am »
Nothing has changed in America despite SESTA / FOSTA law
TER. the erotic review is still up
Eros
Tryst
P411

They all have big disclaimers blah blah
Verify him is gone and smaller website
But if AW makes around 20k a day from 2000 escorts paying for Sat AT , showing the phone number and say two local escort search’s they aren’t going to want to let that money go away so I would imagine they and Viva Shit - I mean viva street do everything possible to hold on to that money


Backpage?

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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #64 on: 13 August 2023, 06:06:07 am »
I was thinking that if we are no longer allowed to display services and sexual info, I'd have a second work phone purely set up as a text response device.  They text that in the first instance and it auto replies services and rules, and a second number to call to actually book. Or maybe I'll do both from one number, I'll have to suck it and see what's best.

That way, I wouldn't spend ages fielding info requests.  Well, not as much anyway :P :FF

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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #65 on: 13 August 2023, 06:12:58 am »
Effect of Online Security Bill for Whatsapp, Signal, Facetime, Imessage -  Goodbye UK

The point of the newspaper article:
 At the moment, messages sent on WhatsApp and in other messaging appsare encrypted.  No one can read it except the sender and the recipient.  They want to oblige service providers by law to unlock this encryption and hand over the contents of the messages to the authorities if the law gives rise to suspicion of an offense.  If they don't do this, they can even be sentenced to prison.  The answer of the owners of Whatsapp, Signal, Telegram, Facetime, Imessage is that in this case they will withdraw from the UK and these messaging applications will not be available to people living in the UK.


Will we use the Chinese Wechat application to communicate with our  clients? lol... :FF

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News source: BBC 13.08.2023
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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #66 on: 13 August 2023, 11:00:50 am »
Post above edited. Please summarise if you want to post about an opinion piece you have seen rather than copy the whole entire text into SAAFE.

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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #67 on: 03 September 2023, 10:20:47 pm »
I remember when France introduced the Nordic law and made it illegal for advertisers to facilitate prostitution ( similar to the clause in the OLSB )

And viva st had loads of escorts on there as I remember researching a holiday / tour in France

So you would think that stopped the advertising on Viva St and all the other sites

Nope they are all just in the massage section now on viva 😂
No services / likes listed


AW has one escort there on the France page who is advertising’s her services and lists despite the possibility of AW seen as facilitating prostitution through this

And when you look at all the main escort sites in France some advertise all the services and some don’t

So obviously the law isn’t really acted on in France

I have a friend who lives and works in Paris and she advertises in plenty of places, problem is she's always paranoid thinking the po-po is going to knock on her door any minute. She's planning on moving to another European country as she says working like that is very stressful. The nordic model is a joke, she was attacked once, went to the police and was treated like a criminal.
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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #68 on: 03 September 2023, 10:51:03 pm »
Can we get back on topic, please?

RB1

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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #69 on: 04 September 2023, 07:49:34 am »
Is the last reading for the OLSB  on the 6th September

What happens after that  - anyone know

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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #70 on: 04 September 2023, 10:43:27 am »
AW  only give a shit about themselves

I remember that case as well

The only thing I do know is that when the Sesta / Fosta laws came into place AW removed all the American escorts of the USA page ( not that there was a lot )
So they didn’t want to piss off the USA government

But there are similar laws in other countries with regards to advertising prostitution on line / profiting from it
I think France has it under the Nordic model but they have 1 advert in France and Northern Ireland is under the Nordic model so I assume they have similar laws about profiting from online advertising

I believe the SESTA/FOSTA makes it a federal crime to advertise prostitution and that's some pretty serious stuff that will land you in jail for a very long time, fact is since it was implemented the few American directories have been sold, emigrated their servers/staff/headquarters to other countries and are asking for all sorts of ID's when it comes to posting an ad. Backpage (which was a huge moneymaker) was removed by the Feds and no other directory has had the balls to take over, even craigslist removed their casual encounters and dating section! so consequences for facilitating online prostitution must be pretty harsh now. As per the European countries with nordic model (like France) directories are still operating and so far (that we know) no online directory has gotten on cahoots (touches wood). I believe (please someone correct me if I'm wrong) that Europe has a more "laissez faire" attitude because there's no SESTA/FOSTA laws, despite prostitution being semi-legal in some countries (nordic model) there's no specific laws that will land directory owners in jail (unlike the US), the worse that could happen to them is to have their directories removed.
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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #71 on: 04 September 2023, 01:16:55 pm »
@Anna so would the OLSB be similar to SESTA / FOSTA or just there in theory but very little happening

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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #72 on: 04 September 2023, 03:08:48 pm »

Backpage?

Backpage had hundreds of lawsuits, some serious ones, there was even a parents of trafficked victims association that went to congress! There was also a very personal vendetta between the owners of Backpage and senator Mcain (the guy who pushed the SESTA/FOSTA law) stemming from the 80's when backpage didn't even existed. The removal of Backpage was a storm waiting to happen. I think was this experience taught us is that you can't have a directory selling prams, cars and apartments on one section and hookers (excuse my French) on another. Since them sex work online advertising has directories that are just for that (no traffic from "honourable" people -observe commas-), they all can be hidden with search filters etc... and hidden from public view. Basically you're sweeping prostitution under the rug "No see, no hear no talk". If OLB gets approved I see a similar approach.
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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #73 on: 05 September 2023, 05:24:21 am »
3rd reading House of Lords 6th September 2023

According to the UK Parliament website a bill has 3 readings in House of Commons, 3 readings in House of Lords. Each house decides on 3rd reading whether to accept it. The first house then is asked to agree with amendments made by the second.

Once both houses agree the bill receives Royal Assent and becomes law.

I cannot find any further information or dates on the website.


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Re: Online Safety Bill (uk)
« Reply #74 on: 05 September 2023, 08:43:44 am »
3rd reading House of Lords 6th September 2023

According to the UK Parliament website a bill has 3 readings in House of Commons, 3 readings in House of Lords. Each house decides on 3rd reading whether to accept it. The first house then is asked to agree with amendments made by the second.

Once both houses agree the bill receives Royal Assent and becomes law.

I cannot find any further information or dates on the website.

Thank you


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