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Mirror

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #150 on: 10 July 2018, 12:22:02 pm »
Quote from: Kay on 10 July 2018, 10:15:17 am
Me too - it should be obvious if pimps are putting up loads of ads. It's not like they don't charge enough to employ a couple of people at least to monitor this.

Actually just remembered that not too long ago VS made a big thing about saying they were working with NUM/crime prevention and making donations to them etc. Trying to make out they were interested in sex worker safety.

What the blazes flaming happened?  :FF

Perhaps we should boycott them anyway?
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #151 on: 10 July 2018, 01:10:07 pm »
Quote from: Kay on 10 July 2018, 10:15:17 am
Me too - it should be obvious if pimps are putting up loads of ads. It's not like they don't charge enough to employ a couple of people at least to monitor this.

Backpage was posting some very disturbing ads. I remember a while back when i was in New York and every now and them I would see an ad in the escort section that was wrong in many ways and backpage wouldn't do shyte about it. I believe the reason they went after BP was the 40 something lawsuits they had of women's families that have been trafficked (all run away teenage girls). The new website regulations where we all need to send a picture holding site name, passport etc... stops that situation.  In my opinion BP downfall happened because they got too $$ greedy, and viva is following with that.
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #152 on: 11 July 2018, 12:04:40 pm »
Quote from: Ana30 on 10 July 2018, 01:10:07 pm
Backpage was posting some very disturbing ads. I remember a while back when i was in New York and every now and them I would see an ad in the escort section that was wrong in many ways and backpage wouldn't do shyte about it. I believe the reason they went after BP was the 40 something lawsuits they had of women's families that have been trafficked (all run away teenage girls). The new website regulations where we all need to send a picture holding site name, passport etc... stops that situation.  In my opinion BP downfall happened because they got too $$ greedy, and viva is following with that.

Yet VS claim to have a strong relationship with NUM  :o ??? ::)
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #153 on: 11 July 2018, 02:03:20 pm »
Quote from: Mirror on 11 July 2018, 12:04:40 pm
Yet VS claim to have a strong relationship with NUM  :o ??? ::)

Smoke and mirrors, PR as it's best. i mean... does VS have a screening procedure to advertise (photos, iD etc.. I've never advertise there so I'm just asking because i don't know).
« Last Edit: 11 July 2018, 02:05:14 pm by Ana30 »
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #154 on: 11 July 2018, 04:28:39 pm »
Quote from: MsRedhead on 09 July 2018, 08:01:33 pm
i'm in contact with someone from AW. I can talk to him about this...
Have you contacted your AW contact, MRH?  If so, what is his response?
(I am holding off creating a template letter for us all to send to AW [& other sites] - if we are willing to - until you feed back on this as it might not be necessary then)
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #155 on: 11 July 2018, 09:53:01 pm »
Quote from: Braziliana on 11 July 2018, 04:28:39 pm
Have you contacted your AW contact, MRH?  If so, what is his response?
(I am holding off creating a template letter for us all to send to AW [& other sites] - if we are willing to - until you feed back on this as it might not be necessary then)

i haven't. What exactly do you want to ask them?
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #156 on: 11 July 2018, 10:16:39 pm »
Quote from: MsRedhead on 11 July 2018, 09:53:01 pm
i haven't. What exactly do you want to ask them?
The following idea from Ana30 (which prompted you to reveal that you have a contact at AW and that you would discuss it with him):

"how about: we create a template letter with more or less what Paris said in the above post. then we all send it to adultwork. Lets spread the word through our blogs,twitter, switter and twatter and we get every one to sign the survey and every prossie to email adultwork. is anybody here good at creative writing? can someone write it then we can copy+paste it? thanks."
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #157 on: 11 July 2018, 10:21:52 pm »
Quote from: Braziliana on 11 July 2018, 10:16:39 pm
The following idea from Ana30 (which prompted you to reveal that you have a contact at AW and that you would discuss it with him):

"how about: we create a template letter with more or less what Paris said in the above post. then we all send it to adultwork. Lets spread the word through our blogs,twitter, switter and twatter and we get every one to sign the survey and every prossie to email adultwork. is anybody here good at creative writing? can someone write it then we can copy+paste it? thanks."

the survey closes Monday so i doubt there's time for that i'm afraid. Individual workers are promoting the survey. Also, as i've said above the survey isn't related to the OP.

"Are you going to propose a change in policy on prostitution and sex work?
No. This research is not about policy or law on prostitution and sex work. This is a piece of research to capture what is going on, rather than what ought to be going on.
Of course, we know that the prevailing policy and laws affect how prostitution and sex work is practised in England and Wales. It could also be that the government uses the data from this research to inform future law and policy. But such decisions and recommendations are not within our research remit."

here are the questions:

Is there any particular study, report or other publication that you think it is important that we pay attention to for this project? Please give
• Are there particular 'types' of prostitution and sex work that you feel need to be included in this project? Please give details.
• Are there particular individuals or groups that you believe we need to speak to? Please give details.
• Does your organisation collect numerical data on prostitution and sex work which you think would be useful for this project? If so, please give details and ensure your email is entered in Section 8 above.
• Do you have an experience that you think would help us to understand better what prostitution and sex work looks like today in England and Wales? If so, please give details.
• Please add any other comments in this section.

I have posted a link on suggested answers from ECP in the relevant thread.
« Last Edit: 11 July 2018, 10:25:43 pm by MsRedhead »
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #158 on: 11 July 2018, 10:26:26 pm »

the survey closes Monday so i doubt there's time for that i'm afraid. I have emailed him though.  I'm happy to talk to him about using AW to reach more sex workers at other stages in the research.  Individual workers are promoting the survey. Also, as i've said above the survey isn't related to the OP.

"Are you going to propose a change in policy on prostitution and sex work?
No. This research is not about policy or law on prostitution and sex work. This is a piece of research to capture what is going on, rather than what ought to be going on.
Of course, we know that the prevailing policy and laws affect how prostitution and sex work is practised in England and Wales. It could also be that the government uses the data from this research to inform future law and policy. But such decisions and recommendations are not within our research remit."

here are the questions:

Is there any particular study, report or other publication that you think it is important that we pay attention to for this project? Please give
• Are there particular 'types' of prostitution and sex work that you feel need to be included in this project? Please give details.
• Are there particular individuals or groups that you believe we need to speak to? Please give details.
• Does your organisation collect numerical data on prostitution and sex work which you think would be useful for this project? If so, please give details and ensure your email is entered in Section 8 above.
• Do you have an experience that you think would help us to understand better what prostitution and sex work looks like today in England and Wales? If so, please give details.
• Please add any other comments in this section.

I have posted a link on suggested answers from ECP in the relevant thread.
« Last Edit: 11 July 2018, 10:31:31 pm by MsRedhead »
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #159 on: 19 July 2018, 06:01:12 pm »
I've been meaning to reply a while ago.

Quote from: MsRedhead on 08 July 2018, 05:29:08 pm
we need to do both. not one or the other. If you feel passionately about this, why not get involved with one of the myriad of groups working on this and offer your time?

Good point. I'll get involved.
There is an abundance of activism out there that I wasn't aware of (because I wasn't interested...).

Quote from: amy on 08 July 2018, 11:53:24 pm
The only reliable way to get the majority interested is to hit them where they live, which is what we're increasingly seeing now that the attention is turning more to prossies like 'us' rather than prossies like 'them' and the talk has turned to the likes of Adultwork (plus the carry on with Backpage a few weeks ago). First they came for the street workers, etc....

It's a shite state of affairs that we have to have these sorts of discussions at all but since we do, long may it continue as it'll hopefully get more people involved :).

Shameful but true. I developed more empathy for US colleagues only after I lost all my income after closing down of Backpage  :-[
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #160 on: 31 July 2018, 02:41:31 pm »
After reading a news article online as of 2019 aw will or might be shutting down

Where does that leave us when it is completely legal in the UK

Whatever next ???
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MsRedhead

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #161 on: 31 July 2018, 11:38:54 pm »
Quote from: Lustwander10 on 31 July 2018, 02:41:31 pm
After reading a news article online as of 2019 aw will or might be shutting down

Where does that leave us when it is completely legal in the UK

Whatever next ???

what was the news article?
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #162 on: 02 August 2018, 03:28:36 pm »
Quote from: Ana30 on 10 July 2018, 01:10:07 pm
Backpage was posting some very disturbing ads. I remember a while back when i was in New York and every now and them I would see an ad in the escort section that was wrong in many ways and backpage wouldn't do shyte about it. I believe the reason they went after BP was the 40 something lawsuits they had of women's families that have been trafficked (all run away teenage girls). The new website regulations where we all need to send a picture holding site name, passport etc... stops that situation.  In my opinion BP downfall happened because they got too $$ greedy, and viva is following with that.

That does not stop it at all because the pimps would just get the women to hold the sign and passport especially the trafficked ones.

Easiest way to stop pimps is anyone advertising multiple women they do not take ads from those unsavoury characters.
« Last Edit: 02 August 2018, 03:30:43 pm by English Green »
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #163 on: 02 August 2018, 06:35:50 pm »
Quote from: English Green on 02 August 2018, 03:28:36 pm
That does not stop it at all because the pimps would just get the women to hold the sign and passport especially the trafficked ones.

Easiest way to stop pimps is anyone advertising multiple women they do not take ads from those unsavoury characters.

You have a good point.
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #164 on: 04 August 2018, 09:40:32 pm »
Quote from: Lustwander10 on 31 July 2018, 02:41:31 pm
After reading a news article online as of 2019 aw will or might be shutting down

Where does that leave us when it is completely legal in the UK

Whatever next ???

I've read  whole range of articles on the subject and nowhere have I found a precise estimation  as to when (if) those sites (it's not AW exclusively) are to be shut down.

Could you please kindly share a link ?
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