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MsRedhead

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #135 on: 09 July 2018, 09:40:39 pm »
That's strange since, in response to the Third Report from the Home Affairs Select Committee Session 2016-2017, the same Home Office no less made a number of recommendations on the laws relating to prostitution (which, to my surprise - and delight - actually favoured our cause).  They recommended, for instance...

"...that, at the earliest opportunity, the
Home Office change existing legislation so that soliciting is no longer an offence and
so that brothel-keeping provisions allow sex workers to share premises, without
losing the ability to prosecute those who use brothels to control or exploit sex
workers. There must be zero tolerance of the organised criminal exploitation of sex
workers.  The Home Office should also legislate for the deletion of previous
convictions and cautions for prostitution from the record of sex workers by amending
the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act
..."

(I am preaching to the choir, I am aware...)


PLEASE MOVE DISCUSSION OF THE SURVEY TO THE RELEVANT THREAD IN THIS FORUM.

Yes, the HASC made some recommendations, but if you read the link from the HASC which I posted above you'll see that they were unable to decide on areas such as treatment of clients, third parties etc. hence the need for more research.

MsRedhead

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #136 on: 09 July 2018, 09:42:06 pm »
On the other hand (as a side note, and sorry for the slight off topic) if you guys remember, a few months before backpage was taken down, it's erotic services section in europe (and the rest of the world) was still going strong while banned in the US. You couldn't access any erotic services section in the rest of the world if you were in the US. Surprisingly I was still getting a lot of US clients calling me, they all had a VPN.

My point is: All the adultworks et al being hosted in weird countries with very relaxed laws will continue operating and clients will just get a VPN. I don't see the trade going into the streets or even the dark web.

I have literally just heard from an Aussie worker who is now doing street work due to back page going down. I can't get most clients to use google maps, let alone get a VPN

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #137 on: 09 July 2018, 09:54:31 pm »
I have literally just heard from an Aussie worker who is now doing street work due to back page going down. I can't get most clients to use google maps, let alone get a VPN

Good point. just wait and see how the VPN use  thing starts to spread on the punters forums, reddits etc..and how fast they start learning how to use them once they need to get laid.
"I don't have a dirty mind, I have a sexy imagination" (heard it on the tube)

MsRedhead

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #138 on: 09 July 2018, 09:55:09 pm »
Good point. just wait and see how the VPN use  thing starts to spread on the punters forums, reddits etc..and how fast they start learning how to use them if they need to get laid.

Most of my clients don't use forums/reddit

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #139 on: 09 July 2018, 10:22:04 pm »
Good point. just wait and see how the VPN use  thing starts to spread on the punters forums, reddits etc..and how fast they start learning how to use them once they need to get laid.

I hope so, I need to learn it myself. I also need to educate myself on the debate etc. I have posted the link on my website landing page and on my social media. If there's anything I can do let me know. We need to get organised on this x
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #140 on: 09 July 2018, 11:08:08 pm »
Most of my clients don't use forums/reddit

Actually mine do, maybe they "don't know how to use it" but most of them know what a VPN is. Specially all the arab and chinese clients whose governmental censorship of the internet is riffe. I've had a lot of conversations with them regarding this subject since Backpage went down. it's like Bitcoin, one of those things that at the begining nobody had heard of but then all of a sudden "it's the hype". Then again, i'm in London and deal with foreigners and the "professional crowd", I'm sure if i was in a rural area surely it would be different.
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MsRedhead

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #141 on: 09 July 2018, 11:40:43 pm »
Actually mine do, maybe they "don't know how to use it" but most of them know what a VPN is. Specially all the arab and chinese clients whose governmental censorship of the internet is riffe. I've had a lot of conversations with them regarding this subject since Backpage went down. it's like Bitcoin, one of those things that at the begining nobody had heard of but then all of a sudden "it's the hype". Then again, i'm in London and deal with foreigners and the "professional crowd", I'm sure if i was in a rural area surely it would be different.

I'm in London too...

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #142 on: 09 July 2018, 11:50:38 pm »
Kk, you got me 😆, so we'll have to "educate them". Let's get back on topic before we get in trouble :-) So what was the next step? letter to adultwork? i'm pretty sure AW are quite concerned and in conversation with their lawyers as I type this  (specially knowing how THEY and vivastreet are being targeted).
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #143 on: 10 July 2018, 01:38:20 am »
I don't see how the Government can close down AW or the like.
They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Amazon and the like only pay 1% tax and the Government  won't close their site down or chase them for billions of pounds in tax they owe!
I really wouldn't worry about adult sites being closed right now.


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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #144 on: 10 July 2018, 01:59:55 am »
Kk, you got me 😆, so we'll have to "educate them". Let's get back on topic before we get in trouble :-) So what was the next step? letter to adultwork? i'm pretty sure AW are quite concerned and in conversation with their lawyers as I type this  (specially knowing how THEY and vivastreet are being targeted).

there no proposed legislation at the minute. No tories seem to be supporting Sarah Champion's idea.  There is much more threat from the Nordic Model.

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #145 on: 10 July 2018, 02:13:33 am »
A VPN won’t help you if the directories won’t list you and remove you which Is basically what happens in the states it wasn’t just about the removal of BP and it owners being arrested

Lots of sites including some Uk Escort directories have already removed American Escorts from there listings
 American sites like City vibe,  your dominatrix  verify him have all either closed or removed the forums
TER removed American Escort adverts

I have copied and pasted some of this
Because under  sesta/  fosta  they become responsible/ liable for those adverts that Escort post
Prior to this internet providers  wasn’t responsible for what people  was posted on it . They were protected by section 230of the 1996 decency act  .

Which is why BP and other sites could post obvious prostitution adverts and they weren’t responsible for what was posted .

But fosta / sesta creates a exception to this meaning that websites publishers would be responsible if third parties are posting adds for prostitution inc consensual sex work

Sites do not want to come under the microscope of the American goverment and be responsible for what people are advertising so to prevent this they have removed American Escorts / adverts

I haven’t done a full check but there are as far as I can see no American Escorts on AW any more  a few months ago there were loads in most cities of America

Because if there were under sesta/  fosta AW is responsible/ liable for those adverts
So rather than be responsible for the adverts the  directories just removed American Escorts

So if the Uk followed Sesta / Fosta they wouldn’t need remove the directories just the threat of being liable for what adverts Escorts place is enough to get sites to remove your advert profile

It won’t matter what county they are based in as sesta / fosta still says your liable

I think even Reddit removed its Escort /related subreddits even though they weren’t advertising Escorts . They don’t want to get screwed

 So VPN or not no ones going to find you if the directories remove you because if they do  they become liable for what you post / advertise .

Hope that makes sense 😂

If you look this up you will understand what it means much better than I have explained it
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #146 on: 10 July 2018, 02:15:13 am »
I don't see how the Government can close down AW or the like.
They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Amazon and the like only pay 1% tax and the Government  won't close their site down or chase them for billions of pounds in tax they owe!
I really wouldn't worry about adult sites being closed right now.
I’m sure that’s what all the American Escorts and people that used BP thought as well

 They don’t have to they just have to follow the sesta / fosta law which also means that sites have no become liable for prostitution adverts which is why AW removed  all the American based Escorts
Same as TER remove all adverts
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #147 on: 10 July 2018, 02:15:50 am »
I have literally just heard from an Aussie worker who is now doing street work due to back page going down. I can't get most clients to use google maps, let alone get a VPN
If locanto is still up and running that was always pretty good in Aus 

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #148 on: 10 July 2018, 08:22:46 am »
I’m sure that’s what all the American Escorts and people that used BP thought as well

 They don’t have to they just have to follow the sesta / fosta law which also means that sites have no become liable for prostitution adverts which is why AW removed  all the American based Escorts
Same as TER remove all adverts

I have no doubt that it is possible, I don't think it will get through parliament but that doesn't mean it's not a threat nor something we shouldn't act on.

I'm also bloody angry that VS apparently allowed such large accounts to go unflagged.

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #149 on: 10 July 2018, 10:15:17 am »
I have no doubt that it is possible, I don't think it will get through parliament but that doesn't mean it's not a threat nor something we shouldn't act on.

I'm also bloody angry that VS apparently allowed such large accounts to go unflagged.

Me too - it should be obvious if pimps are putting up loads of ads. It's not like they don't charge enough to employ a couple of people at least to monitor this.
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