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ana30

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #120 on: 09 July 2018, 07:45:36 pm »
how about: we create a template letter with more or less what Paris said in the above post. then we all send it to adultwork. Lets spread the word through our blogs,twitter, switter and twatter and we get every one to sign the survey and every prossie to email adultwork. is anybody here good at creative writing? can someone write it then we can copy+paste it? thanks.
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #121 on: 09 July 2018, 07:59:30 pm »
how about: we create a template letter with more or less what Paris said in the above post. then we all send it to adultwork. we try to spread the word through our blogs,twitter, switter and twatter and we get every one to sign the survey and every prossie to email adultwork. is anybody here good at creative writing? can someone write it then we can copy+paste it? thanks.

Not me I can't write to save a toffee . But I think getting it out to as many escorts as possible would be amazing and using AW & VS would be the best starting point.
With AW & VS you pretty much have every independent escort in the uk 😂
 
If we could include the fact that what happen in America and Backpage could potentially happen in the uk as well   

Explain that the government want to bring in either the Nordic Model and potentially get rid of AW /VS
And explain how they want to do this .

I think once people  start realising that this is potentially going to affect them in the pocket it might galvanise them into acting and filling out that form

Nothing makes people act quicker than the thought of losing money 😂
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #122 on: 09 July 2018, 08:01:33 pm »
how about: we create a template letter with more or less what Paris said in the above post. then we all send it to adultwork. Lets spread the word through our blogs,twitter, switter and twatter and we get every one to sign the survey and every prossie to email adultwork. is anybody here good at creative writing? can someone write it then we can copy+paste it? thanks.
i'm in contact with someone from AW. I can talk to him about this.

also 46% of the people who've responded to be survey are current or former workers.

It's worth looking at the updated link to the survey. this research is focussed on mapping types of work rather than necessarily proposing Nordic Model or decrim or banning advertising.
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #123 on: 09 July 2018, 08:06:38 pm »
...I would imagine that a large percentage of Sex workers on AW & VS don't have any idea about this potential new law and how it will affect them...
...I wonder if Viva St & AW would  possibly contact / email or the advertiser suggesting that they fill out the government survey...   
...I would imagine it would be in both Viva St & AW not to have there advertising blocked and revenue cut overnight
Excellent idea, IMO, Paris.  Where VS is concerned, you could, if you were willing, post this idea in the VS thread of this forum.
Where both AW and VS are concerned, you could put this idea to them via customer service...and, to strengthen our cause, the rest of us could do the same.
Unless anyone can suggest a reason not to contact AW & VS with this proposal, I will be doing so either tomorrow or on Wednesday.

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #124 on: 09 July 2018, 08:09:06 pm »
I think that the problem is that we are just a very small percentage of sex workers on here who read the forum and also the  politics posts and respond to the government surveys . And also know about the ECP and the work they do .

I would imagine that a large percentage of Sex workers on AW & VS don't have any idea about this potential new law and how it will affect them Or who the ECP are and what they do .

I wonder if Viva St & AW would  possibly contact / email or the advertiser suggesting that they fill out the government survey
It would be a pretty effective and quick way to reach practically every Sex worker that uses these sites to advertise 
I would imagine it would be in both Viva St & AW not to have there advertising blocked and revenue cut overnight

the government survey is about improving research into the nature and extent of the sex industry, it's not about banning advertising.

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #125 on: 09 July 2018, 08:11:07 pm »
how about: we create a template letter with more or less what Paris said in the above post. then we all send it to adultwork. Lets spread the word through our blogs,twitter, switter and twatter and we get every one to sign the survey and every prossie to email adultwork. is anybody here good at creative writing? can someone write it then we can copy+paste it? thanks.
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If there is enough support from this forum for this idea, I will volunteer to create the template.  (I am equally happy to step aside on this in favour of someone better).

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #126 on: 09 July 2018, 08:19:12 pm »
also the survey has been shared on twitter hundreds if not thousands of times. this conversation is more relevant to the thread i started in this forum on the survey. it has nothing to do with the debate in parliament.

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #127 on: 09 July 2018, 08:35:19 pm »
the government survey is about improving research into the nature and extent of the sex industry, it's not about banning advertising.
...but shouldn't we use it as an opportunity to stand up for, well, consensual sex between adults (since the government clearly seems to be being influenced into thinking that there is something wrong with this) which, in certain cases (like ours), entails the use of online advertising platforms?  I think we should, personally, especially since we may not get another opportunity to do so ahead of any potential changes in laws relating to...consensual sex between adults which just happens to involve payment (in one form or another).   My view is further fuelled by the ignorant attack on consensual prostitution made by Gavin Shuker MP, Sarah Champion MP and Fiona Bruce MP (and others) in Parliament this past Wednesday; by denying the fact of consensual prostitution (as they all mostly did), they denied both our very existence and our right to engage with prostitution.  (Or tried to).  They deplored the fact that we prostitutes can be "ordered" by phone via AW & VS, for instance, conveniently neglecting to mention that this this is precisely what we want...
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #128 on: 09 July 2018, 08:38:25 pm »
...but shouldn't we use it as an opportunity to stand up for, well, consensual sex between adults (since the government clearly seems to be being influenced into thinking that there is something wrong with this) which, in certain cases (like ours), entails the use of online advertising platforms?  I think we should, personally, especially since we may not get another opportunity to do so ahead of any potential changes in laws relating to...consensual sex between adults which happens to involve payment (in one form or another).   My view is further fuelled by the ignorant attack on consensual prostitution made by Gavin Shuker MP, Sarah Champion MP and Fiona Bruce MP (and others) in Parliament this past Wednesday; by denying the fact of consensual prostitution (as they all mostly did), they denied our right to engage with prostitution.  (Or tried to).  They deplored the fact that we prostitutes can be "ordered" by phone via AW & VS, for instance, conveniently neglecting to mention that this this is precisely what we want...

yes, of course we should reply to it (i started a thread asking people to!), but we need to ensure that we understand the scope and purpose of the research. also, please move this to the relevant thread as requested
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #129 on: 09 July 2018, 08:40:30 pm »
i'm in contact with someone from AW. I can talk to him about this.
Great!  Please feed back to us on this.

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #130 on: 09 July 2018, 08:45:01 pm »
also the survey has been shared on twitter hundreds if not thousands of times. this conversation is more relevant to the thread i started in this forum on the survey. it has nothing to do with the debate in parliament.

Apologies for all the questions

So the government survey is about more research into prostitution has nothing to do with the debate in parliament

The debate in parliament  with MP Sara Champion is attempting is something totally separate i.e. She wants to ban advertising platforms / bring in the Nordic Model

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #131 on: 09 July 2018, 08:52:12 pm »

Apologies for all the questions

So the government survey is about more research into prostitution has nothing to do with the debate in parliament

The debate in parliament  with MP Sara Champion is attempting is something totally separate i.e. She wants to ban advertising platforms / bring in the Nordic Model

yes, the research has been commissioned by the home affairs select committee as they found that they didn't have good enough research into sex work into the uk and therefore couldn't make a decision on what the legalisation around sex work should be.

Please read the link to the research survey (someone posted it above and it's in my thread about the survey) which has more info on all of this.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/home-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2015/prostitution-report-published-16-17/


"Despite the obvious difficulties involved in getting data on an essentially covert industry, the Committee is "dismayed" at the poor quality of information available about the extent and nature of prostitution in England and Wales. The figures cited above must be considered in this context.

Without a proper evidence base, the Government cannot make informed decisions about the effectiveness of current legislation and policies, and cannot target funding and support interventions effectively. The Home Office should commission an in-depth research study on the current extent and nature of prostitution in England and Wales, within the next 12 months."
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #132 on: 09 July 2018, 08:55:53 pm »
yes, the research has been commissioned by the home affairs select committee as they found that they didn't have good enough research into sex work into the uk and therefore couldn't make a decision on what the legalisation around sex work should be.

Please read the link to the research survey with has more info on all of this.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/home-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2015/prostitution-report-published-16-17/


"Despite the obvious difficulties involved in getting data on an essentially covert industry, the Committee is "dismayed" at the poor quality of information available about the extent and nature of prostitution in England and Wales. The figures cited above must be considered in this context.

Without a proper evidence base, the Government cannot make informed decisions about the effectiveness of current legislation and policies, and cannot target funding and support interventions effectively. The Home Office should commission an in-depth research study on the current extent and nature of prostitution in England and Wales, within the next 12 months."

Thank you so much for explaining that clearly

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #133 on: 09 July 2018, 09:19:57 pm »
yes, the research has been commissioned by the home affairs select committee as they found that they didn't have good enough research into sex work into the uk and therefore couldn't make a decision on what the legalisation around sex work should be.
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...which is why I believe we should use the survey to speak up for all areas of our rights, including the right to online advertising

Without a proper evidence base, the Government cannot make informed decisions about the effectiveness of current legislation and policies, and cannot target funding and support interventions effectively.  The Home Office should commission an in-depth research study on the current extent and nature of prostitution in England and Wales, within the next 12 months.

That's strange since, in response to the Third Report from the Home Affairs Select Committee Session 2016-2017, the same Home Office no less made a number of recommendations on the laws relating to prostitution (which, to my surprise - and delight - actually favoured our cause).  They recommended, for instance...

"...that, at the earliest opportunity, the
Home Office change existing legislation so that soliciting is no longer an offence and
so that brothel-keeping provisions allow sex workers to share premises, without
losing the ability to prosecute those who use brothels to control or exploit sex
workers. There must be zero tolerance of the organised criminal exploitation of sex
workers.  The Home Office should also legislate for the deletion of previous
convictions and cautions for prostitution from the record of sex workers by amending
the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act
..."

(I am preaching to the choir, I am aware...)
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #134 on: 09 July 2018, 09:37:45 pm »
On the other hand (as a side note, and sorry for the slight off topic) if you guys remember, a few months before backpage was taken down, it's erotic services section in europe (and the rest of the world) was still going strong while banned in the US. You couldn't access any erotic services section in the rest of the world if you were in the US. Surprisingly I was still getting a lot of US clients calling me, they all had a VPN.

My point is: All the adultworks et al being hosted in weird countries with very relaxed laws will continue operating and clients will just get a VPN. I don't see the trade going into the streets or even the dark web.
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