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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #105 on: 08 July 2018, 06:34:54 pm »
Yes, Dubai prostitution might be "fully criminalized" (cough-cough) but all the big hotels and bars are packed with tons of WG's so deep down the law is extremely permissive which makes that "fully criminalized" thingy pretty laughable.

depends who you are as to how the criminalisation affects you. and obviously the traffickers and the agencies pay the police off.

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/news/crime/Woman-faces-3-months-jail,-deportation-for-prostitution-in-Dubai-

https://www.thenational.ae/uae/male-prostitute-with-more-than-300-clients-is-jailed-in-dubai-1.42700

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/05/police-in-dubai-have-arrested-2713-sex-workers-and-107-pimps-in-the-last-15-months-as-part-of-an-ongoing-campaign-against-vi.html

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #106 on: 08 July 2018, 06:48:39 pm »
depends who you are as to how the criminalisation affects you. and obviously the traffickers and the agencies pay the police off.

Isn't that usually the case in all the countries where prostitution is highly criminalized?  ;D
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« Reply #107 on: 08 July 2018, 07:29:31 pm »
Isn't that usually the case in all the countries where prostitution is highly criminalized?  ;D

It's not just prostitution that's illegal  in Dubai it's sex outside of marriage for anyone
But you can work there reasonably easily as an independent from hotels and apartments

But a place where I advertise in Dubai has a private section where escorts can post full details of bad clients every day there are several reports of escorts being robbed, raped, attacked having the money snatched back, beaten up & threatened to report to hotels


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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #108 on: 08 July 2018, 08:21:47 pm »
We'll lighten up on the press urls please, and getting back to the thread starter might be nice too. It's all vaguely linked I know, but given the timeframe and the potential effects on people here and their advertising it's getting too vague, and we have discussion threads about the MI already.

Ana, I'm not sure what you think is funny about any of these posts but it's really not appropriate.
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #109 on: 08 July 2018, 08:31:42 pm »
We'll lighten up on the press urls please, and getting back to the thread starter might be nice too. It's all vaguely linked I know, but given the timeframe and the potential effects on people here and their advertising it's getting too vague, and we have discussion threads about the MI already.

Ana, I'm not sure what you think is funny about any of these posts but it's really not appropriate.

Sorry amy, I was just trying to point out the double morality of these countries where prostitution is fully illegal but operates in full open air and organized mafias act in conjuction with police etc.. No it's not funny, just so "double faced". Maybe bad wording (or light hearted "tone"?) in my case but absolutely not trying to make fun of anything or anybody here. I'm quite concerned and worried about this government possible outlaw of websites (and so is everybody here) hence the reason I opened this thread.
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #110 on: 08 July 2018, 10:54:13 pm »
There is double morality in countries which choose to criminalize prostitution.
We need to speak up on our part in this country on this issue but why should we pussy foot around this subject with regards to Middle Eastern countries that stone to death married women who are allegedly "unfaithful"  whilst men our allowed to do what they want  - marry numerous women and is legal and men outside of their marriages can do want they wish without this obscene injustice.

In the past few weeks it has only been legal for women in Saudia Arabia to drive a car.

We are fortunate in this country that we have freedom of speech and we should not be criticised for speaking up on the rights of women, from any country or religion.
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #111 on: 08 July 2018, 10:56:29 pm »
Ana - can you please pm me?

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #112 on: 08 July 2018, 11:53:24 pm »
Sorry amy, I was just trying to point out the double morality of these countries where prostitution is fully illegal but operates in full open air and organized mafias act in conjuction with police etc.. No it's not funny, just so "double faced". Maybe bad wording (or light hearted "tone"?) in my case but absolutely not trying to make fun of anything or anybody here. I'm quite concerned and worried about this government possible outlaw of websites (and so is everybody here) hence the reason I opened this thread.

No that's fine, but it's also not what this thread is about.

Whilst there will always be people who want to get involved in things like activism and lobbying, and help because it's second nature for them to do so they're a minority and understandably so - it's a lot of incredibly hard work, desperately frustrating and often completely thankless.

The only reliable way to get the majority interested is to hit them where they live, which is what we're increasingly seeing now that the attention is turning more to prossies like 'us' rather than prossies like 'them' and the talk has turned to the likes of Adultwork (plus the carry on with Backpage a few weeks ago). First they came for the street workers, etc....

It's a shite state of affairs that we have to have these sorts of discussions at all but since we do, long may it continue as it'll hopefully get more people involved :).
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #113 on: 09 July 2018, 08:24:59 am »
No that's fine, but it's also not what this thread is about.

Whilst there will always be people who want to get involved in things like activism and lobbying, and help because it's second nature for them to do so they're a minority and understandably so - it's a lot of incredibly hard work, desperately frustrating and often completely thankless.

The only reliable way to get the majority interested is to hit them where they live, which is what we're increasingly seeing now that the attention is turning more to prossies like 'us' rather than prossies like 'them' and the talk has turned to the likes of Adultwork (plus the carry on with Backpage a few weeks ago). First they came for the street workers, etc....

It's a shite state of affairs that we have to have these sorts of discussions at all but since we do, long may it continue as it'll hopefully get more people involved :).

I've noticed how the advertising thing has suddenly galvanised a lot of action and interest, as if nothing has been bubbling for years. Not complaining just noticing.


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« Reply #114 on: 09 July 2018, 08:47:58 am »
No that's fine, but it's also not what this thread is about.

Whilst there will always be people who want to get involved in things like activism and lobbying, and help because it's second nature for them to do so they're a minority and understandably so - it's a lot of incredibly hard work, desperately frustrating and often completely thankless.

The only reliable way to get the majority interested is to hit them where they live, which is what we're increasingly seeing now that the attention is turning more to prossies like 'us' rather than prossies like 'them' and the talk has turned to the likes of Adultwork (plus the carry on with Backpage a few weeks ago). First they came for the street workers, etc....

It's a shite state of affairs that we have to have these sorts of discussions at all but since we do, long may it continue as it'll hopefully get more people involved :).

 I agree when it happened in America a lot of people weren’t interested; didn’t think it could happen to them as they weren’t Street Walkers
And while I followedwhat happened in America  I also didn’t think it would happen at least not to remove the websites and pretty much force in a backhanded way all the Escort directories to remove American Escorts and reviews

I think personally the Uk will go down the Nordic Model first then possibly try to force the adverising sites down
Or we will go back to saying crap like it’s a hundred & fifty roses for 1 hr or some bullshit like this

However I follow a lot of American Escorts and they all still seem to be working advertising on certain sites

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« Reply #115 on: 09 July 2018, 09:00:05 am »
I've noticed how the advertising thing has suddenly galvanised a lot of action and interest, as if nothing has been bubbling for years. Not complaining just noticing.

because if you can’t advertise how can you work & earn money 
A large percentage of Escorts on AW have never advertised in the papers working via the net is all they know.
Where I live in Bristol there is a red light area and always has been for many many years but I noticed in recent years this has gotten less and less obvious and it’s possible that a lot of the woman that walked the st could  have turned to the internet and indoor work
Several massage parlours in Bristol have shut recently as well. And they had been there for years.

I think The worse thing that would happen is if the Uk follow the US and bully directories In a backhanded way of threats to remove UK /British Escorts and the reviews

 a lot of Escorts are starting to realise that there earnings might be affected in the next 2 years and it could literally happen overnight

Like Amy said when it happens in other countries we don’t always pay attention but when it’s on our doorstop we do tend to listen a bit more .

But I bet only a small percent will fill out the goverment survey and think it won’t happen

I’ve already started thinking worse case scenario and been in touch with my webmaster to find out what will happen to my website and stuff

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #116 on: 09 July 2018, 09:02:20 am »
I think if people can get the clickable link sent to them by email more people will do it.
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #117 on: 09 July 2018, 11:14:06 am »
because if you can’t advertise how can you work & earn money 
A large percentage of Escorts on AW have never advertised in the papers working via the net is all they know.
Where I live in Bristol there is a red light area and always has been for many many years but I noticed in recent years this has gotten less and less obvious and it’s possible that a lot of the woman that walked the st could  have turned to the internet and indoor work
Several massage parlours in Bristol have shut recently as well. And they had been there for years.

I think The worse thing that would happen is if the Uk follow the US and bully directories In a backhanded way of threats to remove UK /British Escorts and the reviews

 a lot of Escorts are starting to realise that there earnings might be affected in the next 2 years and it could literally happen overnight

Like Amy said when it happens in other countries we don’t always pay attention but when it’s on our doorstop we do tend to listen a bit more .

But I bet only a small percent will fill out the goverment survey and think it won’t happen

I’ve already started thinking worse case scenario and been in touch with my webmaster to find out what will happen to my website and stuff

I completely agree many are totally reliant on VS, AW for advertising and just haven't seen any value in developing anything outside of that.

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #118 on: 09 July 2018, 03:25:50 pm »
I've noticed how the advertising thing has suddenly galvanised a lot of action and interest, as if nothing has been bubbling for years. Not complaining just noticing.

We have been organising for years though. One of the reasons we don't have the Nordic Model is that ECP organised protests and lobbying of MPs when they tried to introduce it under the Human Trafficking Bill a few years ago. Just look at the ECP site to see how they've protested and supported workers evicted from flats in Soho, street workers facing cautions etc

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« Reply #119 on: 09 July 2018, 07:24:09 pm »
I think that the problem is that we are just a very small percentage of sex workers on here who read the forum and also the  politics posts and respond to the government surveys . And also know about the ECP and the work they do .

I would imagine that a large percentage of Sex workers on AW & VS don't have any idea about this potential new law and how it will affect them Or who the ECP are and what they do .

I wonder if Viva St & AW would  possibly contact / email or the advertiser suggesting that they fill out the government survey
It would be a pretty effective and quick way to reach practically every Sex worker that uses these sites to advertise 
I would imagine it would be in both Viva St & AW not to have there advertising blocked and revenue cut overnight