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ParisB

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #60 on: 06 July 2018, 05:36:37 am »
I've worked in several countries where the advertising of prostitution is blocked on the internet and and prostitution is illegal

It doesn't stop it one bit  it doesn't even push it underground .

All the guys use is a VPN  to access the sites

However one site that you can advertise on has a not very well known forum where the escorts can put the details of bad clients for other escorts to read
You can only see this if your a Escort advertising on the site or have advertised in the past
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 It's horrifying  not one day goes buy without escorts  reporting they have been robbed raped attacked beaten up kicked out of hotel did the service and then had the  money taken back of them .its got thousands of reports of this happening

Last week alone there were around 30 reports of escorts reporting the above stuff happening to them

So banning the advertising of online prostitution won't stop prostitution it will just make it more difficult for the sex worker and more dangerous

Unless they actually take down sites like AW & Viva st advertising on them will remain but clients will need a vpn to access them

I'm a member of TER ( the erotic review ) one of the escort sites that has been banned from advertising in the USA
It's still exists but all the reviews have been removed along with the USA advertising section as far as I can see

But sites like p411 Eros and Alicia and other smaller sites that are not owned by American citizens or hosted/ based  in the USA are still there although I don't think they are taking on USA clients

The people it's really affected though it seems are those ladies just starting out or those with no reviews .


I can see it going back to adds in the papers,   touring will stop over night and any on line advertising being very very bland and the end of reviews and review sites if it goes the way it is in America



 I would reccomend all ladies somehow screenshot / save all there reviews in case this happens to us

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #61 on: 06 July 2018, 10:09:34 am »

2) Brexit is taking all their time and energy (and it will continue doing so for years to come) and that's the good news.


IMO this is the only saving grace of this whole thing and what's keeping my stress levels down a bit.
I am out of London this week and couldn't attend the protest but I emailed by MP and got my partner to do the same. It's been exhausting reading all of the uninformed, unethical things politicians and journos have been saying about us.

I've never worked in the US but some of the earliest sex work friends I met online and got very close with were US-based. I'm remembering how fast FOSTA-SESTA happened: first there was the awareness that laws criminalising the websites were being floated around, and then suddenly, literally overnight after the laws were passed, everything disappeared. It was heartbreaking to witness.

I really hope the same thing doesn't happen in the UK in the near future.

ana30

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #62 on: 06 July 2018, 10:28:16 am »
Well.... prostitution adverts are banned in France (thanks Sarkozy), so how do French WG's operate? As far as i know the trade is still operating strong in france.

Any french ladies in the forum?
« Last Edit: 06 July 2018, 02:31:26 pm by Ana30 »
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #63 on: 06 July 2018, 11:01:56 am »
A great cartoon character said once ‘planning for failure [morty] is dumber than regular planning’.

If we can focus on filling out the survey that’s been posted and spreading the word a bit more, being present throughout all of this we might not have to think about these things. If it comes down to it then yes, I think we can start thinking about our options. No attacks on anyone, just saying  ::)
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #64 on: 06 July 2018, 12:05:31 pm »
Well.... prostitution adverts are banned in France (thanks Sarkozy), so how to French WG's operate? As far as i know the trade is still operating in france.

Any french ladies in the forum?

Yet on AW there are still sps on there today working from France. Something I am not understanding here so if anyone can shed light?

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #65 on: 06 July 2018, 01:23:41 pm »
So does anyone know what the next step is? They had this "debate" yesterday now what?

ParisB

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #66 on: 06 July 2018, 01:24:40 pm »
Yet on AW there are still sps on there today working from France. Something I am not understanding here so if anyone can shed light?
I think it’ works like this ( if I’m wrong apologies )

  adult sites are  only banned in France to people in France if that makes sense people using french internet service providers .

 If your in France and use a VPN or outside off France like I’m assumimg your in the Uk then  sites can still be seen I can still see TER in the USA as I’m in the UK any American punter who has a VPN can still aces the site
P411 is Canadian owners and not based in the US so is still viewable in the US

 So unless they actually take down sites like they did with BP the sites will still exist but if your in that country that has banned the site you won’t be able to access it unless you use a VPN

 When I go go to Dubai all adult sites and porn sites are banned but I use the VPN called hide my ass which I buy off the App Store put it on my phone set the country to the Uk and then I can access all the adult sites and porn sites and gamble to my hearts content .
I do have to download this before I go as I can’t download when I’m there

So unless the Uk actually get the sites taken down and the owners arrested the sites will still be viewable
If you google the cloud act and prostitution this will explain it better than I can but it general and from my memory  and it’s a bit hazy  what is scary for any site owners is the cloud act which allows the us goverment to arrest indict owners of sites outside the US that are facilitating trafficking so sites like TER have removed reviews and adverts because one Escorts could say she was trafficked forced and the US goverment can then arrest the owners of the site
This is the reason why sites like AW and Other will not accept American Escorts at present
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ana30

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #67 on: 06 July 2018, 02:32:52 pm »
".... I use the VPN called "hide my ass" from the apple store ...."

* Chuckles*
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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #68 on: 06 July 2018, 02:47:54 pm »
So does anyone know what the next step is? They had this "debate" yesterday now what?

The government are putting a lot of emphasis on the Home Office sponsored research that the university of bristol is conducting. There are several links to it all over saafe.

Labour Party members need to work within the party to push for fun decrim in the manifesto.


ParisB

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #69 on: 06 July 2018, 03:22:57 pm »
The Bristol Uni consultation states that they won't be submitting anything till Spring  next year
So we are safe till next year at least 😂😂

We would be grateful if you could fill in the survey by close of Monday 16 July 2018.  These responses can then inform this crucial early stage of our work.  We will leave the survey open to allow ongoing responses, up until 31 December 2018.

We will also be holding further consultations over the course of 2018 to review and refine our emerging findings. If you are interested in participating in these, please include your email and indicate your interest in section 14.

We will be completing this work in Spring 2019.

Braziliana

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #70 on: 06 July 2018, 04:50:49 pm »
The following is the response, which I received today, to my email to my local MP, Rt Hon David Lammy, regarding the issue of closing down prostitution advertising websites:

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Thank you for writing to me about whether the UK should imitate the USA’s Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act and Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act. Unfortunately, an important vote in the House of Commons meant that I was unable to attend the debate. However, I have outlined my views on the subject below.

To address your comments, I wish to note the broader context in which this discussion takes place. Three interlinked factors mean that prostitutes are some of the most vulnerable individuals in our society. First, the criminalisation of sex work prevents prostitutes from exiting the trade and seeking help when they need it. It also forces sex workers to operate in a black market, exposing them to networks of organised criminals. Third, many women who enter into prostitution do so in desperation, with few other sources of income. This has resulted from years of cuts by consecutive Conservative governments resulting in decreased living standards for marginalised women. For instance, a report commissioned by the APPG on Race and Community, which I chair, found that lone mothers will see their living standards drop by 18% — an average of £8,790 — by 2020. Therefore, any Government response to prostitution must seek to protect the rights of sex workers, tackle the organised crime associated with prostitution, and address their material deprivation.

In the US, the Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act and Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act have failed to do any of this. Concerning the rights of sex workers, such legislation has restricted the activities of sex workers even further, making it harder for them access the assistance they need. It has also limited their ability to safely screen clients before meeting and forced them to find work through intermediaries, or on the streets. Meanwhile, a recent report by Human Rights Watch noted that both Acts have made it harder to punish sex-traffickers and pimps. In the past, these websites have proven a valuable source of intelligence for identifying and punishing such individuals, and in shutting them down, the Government has lost this insight. Finally, the legislation fails to discuss the material circumstances in which prostitutes enter, and occupy, the world of sex work.

I see little reason as to why the consequences of this legislation would be different in the UK and subsequently am opposed to its implementation. Proposals such as these reveal the inability of some politicians to respond to prostitution in a holistic and fact-based manner. If this Government is serious about helping vulnerable sex workers, they must focus on undoing the damage of years of cuts, protecting the rights of these vulnerable women and tackling organised crime.

Once again, I would like to thank you for drawing my attention to this issue. If you have any other concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely,

Rt Hon David Lammy MP   

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There is some obvious anti-Tory "grand-standing" going on here, IMO, but anyway...

Braziliana

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #71 on: 06 July 2018, 04:56:40 pm »
I've worked in several countries where the advertising of prostitution is blocked on the internet and and prostitution is illegal

It doesn't stop it one bit  it doesn't even push it underground...
Paris, your insights and experience are just what we need to fight the proposal to shut down our websites.  Please relay them to Sarah Champion and her followers (if you haven't already done so).

ParisB

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #72 on: 06 July 2018, 05:00:21 pm »
Paris, your insights and experience are just what we need to fight the proposal to shut down our websites.  Please relay them to Sarah Champion and her followers (if you haven't already done so).

lol I've already been quite active on twitter today

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #73 on: 06 July 2018, 05:57:33 pm »
Thanks for replying and explaining the France thing Paris (now there is a play on words if ever there was one!), I think I just about understand it the way you have set it out. It doesseem to me  though that to completely close down each and every one of the sites we and punters need/use would be a mammoth task and one not likely to happen in the near future.

Trade mags and newspaper box ads were fantastic but once they were all banned I think we just got complacent that the internet was here to stay forever as far as our advertising goes.  Shaky business now but a very long way off being closed down rendering us biting our nails in fear.  That is my view anyway.

Service providers just entering this business and wanting to work for a few years may have to face some difficulties one day but to be honest I will probably be retired by then so it will not affect me.

ParisB

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Re: Government trying to outlaw prostitution sites
« Reply #74 on: 06 July 2018, 06:00:21 pm »
Here is the debate if you can read through this on such a lively hot sunny day

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2018-07-04a.140.0&s=prostitution#g164.2