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amy · « **Reply #15 on:** 07 August 2013, 12:14:02 am »

Quote from: EscortsTheSeries on 06 August 2013, 09:35:10 pm

I don't boil my sex work down to performing sex act for a pittance. For me there is so much more to it - yes we have sex with men for not as much money as we would like but it also allows us to study, travel, volunteer, raise children etc etc etc...

Way to completely misunderstand my post.

The 'pittance' I was referring to was the amount offered by your pals at the TV company, not my own fees and income which is roughly twenty times per hour that which I earned in my last civvy job. I earn more than enough money, which is why I don't work anywhere near as much as I used to, and have far more time for other things. Of course I'm assuming that the TV people aren't planning to pay us ?100/130/150 per hour - if I'm wrong, I stand corrected.

Either way, and the point I and others have repeatedly tried to make, how do you propose to find prostitutes that are not only happy about being 'out' (as I am), but who have clients and families who are all also equally happy about everyone they know being made aware of it? I've met an awful lot of ladies, and I don't recall ever meeting anyone who would fall into this category. I wouldn't relish having to hear about the comments my dad might be subjected to when he went into work the day after this had been on, for example, and don't get me started on the way some of my friend's children have been treated at school. It's not just us it affects.

If you're not planning a cheap, tacky 'circus', why do you want to film us having sex? Most people are pretty well aware of what sex looks like, so there must be another reason?

Quote from: EscortsTheSeries on 06 August 2013, 09:35:10 pm

I have 12 years exp in the industry too, I was 18 when I started and I absolutely agree that this is not something for those new to industry. It is for wgs who are out and happy about being out.

You might want to do something about your ads then, given that one site said you were 28, and the other claims 26.

hollytree · « **Reply #16 on:** 07 August 2013, 01:39:00 am »

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Nobody Interesting · « **Reply #17 on:** 07 August 2013, 04:14:20 am »

Quote from: EscortsTheSeries on 06 August 2013, 09:35:10 pm

I have 12 years exp in the industry

Then you should know better, than to come up with such an insane concept.

If you want to work on the legitimacy of this industry and break preconceptions, this is NOT the way.

EscortsTheSeries · « **Reply #18 on:** 07 August 2013, 08:25:44 am »

Quote from: WeeScottishlassie on 06 August 2013, 09:17:24 pm

No way would I even consider this.
I know I would lose business, my clients rely on discretion, they wouldn't want to be seen with an outed sex worker. (This goes double for "high class" escorts) They have relationships (personal and/or business) that would be destroyed.

With regards loosing clients because they wouldn't want to be seen with an outed sex work - even when I did MORE outcall bookings/ dinner dates the number of clients I was seen 'out and about' with was minuscule compared to the number that keep our activities to the bedroom (be it my place, their place, or a hotel). Whilst I appreciate this isn't necessarily the same for everyone, at the end of a day our work does usually go on behind closed doors. I don't think the bulk of MY clients will be worried about being seen with me because they are rarely, if ever, in public with me.

Whilst it is possible that a few may be put-off by their 'favorite girl' appearing on TV, I believe I will gain more clients than I loose - guys watching the show who are just itching to meet 'that girl'.

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You may have to get real life stories from escorts and use actresses. Make it a drama series.

Thank you for your sensible suggestion, at the moment we want to continue to explore the possibility of keeping it real

I will write more on loss of earnings in response to another reply

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EscortsTheSeries · « **Reply #19 on:** 07 August 2013, 08:54:36 am »

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Way to completely misunderstand my post.

The 'pittance' I was referring to was the amount offered by your pals at the TV company, not my own fees and income which is roughly twenty times per hour that which I earned in my last civvy job. I earn more than enough money, which is why I don't work anywhere near as much as I used to, and have far more time for other things. Of course I'm assuming that the TV people aren't planning to pay us ?100/130/150 per hour - if I'm wrong, I stand corrected.

Whilst I am not the production company and can't negotiate in open forum on their behalf, I can indicate that in conversations I have had loss of earnings HAVE been discussed at the rates you are suggesting...

Not looking to offering an insulting ?20 p/h travel costs... the adjective 'small' is relative... it was included in the FAQ so as not to oversell the proposition on the basis of loss of earnings...

My suggestion is that anyone who is interested, and is concerned that their loss of earnings be covered, gets in touch and the production team can talk about realistic loss of earnings with them privately.

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Either way, and the point I and others have repeatedly tried to make, how do you propose to find prostitutes that are not only happy about being 'out' (as I am), but who have clients and families who are all also equally happy about everyone they know being made aware of it? I've met an awful lot of ladies, and I don't recall ever meeting anyone who would fall into this category. I wouldn't relish having to hear about the comments my dad might be subjected to when he went into work the day after this had been on, for example, and don't get me started on the way some of my friend's children have been treated at school. It's not just us it affects.

Clearly this is not for everyone. Totally understandable that those with children wouldn't want to be involved. Totally understandable that those who think the stress on their families would be too much wouldn't want to be involved. However I can't believe that I am the only WG in the UK with no children and a supportive family/network of friends that understand what I am doing and why (even if they don't want to be involved themselves which is not a problem - nobody would ever insist of filming family/friends).

I am sure I am not unique in this regard and want to use this forum to discuss the idea with others and yes, hopefully bring other girls on-board.

sugar · « **Reply #20 on:** 07 August 2013, 11:53:06 am »

i think you should use actors and use the real life accounts of escorts to make a programme..i.e like belle de jour. i sure there are loads of broke drama students that would eat your arm off for a chance to act. A established escort would never jepodise her safety and security to be on tv. escorting is still very stigmatised. people still dont accept it. If you was a true escort then you would understand this. your programe idea is very flawed, unlike towie, mic, jersey shores, the valleys, etc .....these people have nothing to lose. however ecorts do.

Aussie Male Escort · « **Reply #21 on:** 07 August 2013, 11:58:01 am »

A friend of my ex was the star of a reality dating tv series in the US. She's a transsexual escort but I don't think escorting was mentioned on the show. Still kind of relevant because she has made a lot of money as an escort since being able to cash in on her celebrity status from the show and got more publicity from a tabloid article that turned up after she came to London along the lines of 'x, the star of y tv show now a high class call girl in London.' She was charging much higher than the average rate while she was here and always busy but also went through a lot of grief because of it. I never asked her if she regretted doing the show but maybe you should ask her, Faye. PM me if you like and I'll put you in touch with her. The youtube comments on the video of the show will give you some idea of what she comes up against. I thought the premise and execution of that show was exploitative and sensationalist. I hope yours won't be but to be honest, I don't have high hopes. 90%+ of what we do wouldn't make good tv and the rest has been done before and done little to inform the public as to what most escorting is really about. In my opinion there's very little reality involved in realty tv in general. It all seems very staged and scripted. If you do find some real escorts and let them tell their own stories in their own words, I'd watch it. Unfortunately I think the public would rather rubber neck at fake, scripted accounts of things that actually very rarely happen so that's more likely to be what gets aired.

River · « **Reply #22 on:** 07 August 2013, 11:12:00 pm »

Tv production companies want to sell programs and the Reality stars
get generally screwed over. Not always but mostly.
The production companies sole purpose is to produce a product
which will be picked up by a broadcaster, for Coin.
Everything else they say is window dressing.

An exception
I've a friend who was one of the six people followed who starred in:
"My Transsexual Summer". She felt that the show got it right.
Because of the way the people in the show generally felt that what
ended up on screen was generally right and an accurate reflection of events.
With most reality shows that's not the case.

Back to the topic in hand.
Aussie Male Escort, "there's something about" the friend of your ex...
Yes that show was totally exploitative.
I don't know if she got suckered with the editing misrepresenting her
and it ending up very different to what she thought it was going to be.
But I know she picked up a lot of flak in the Trans forums for this,
despite her most likely having ZERO real editorial control.

She invited me to her Birthday party she held in an executive area
of Heaven, back in Jan 2010. She is totally lovely.
She was doing fine. A few years earlier she was thrown out of a 4 story window.
I read suggestions that this was linked to her being in that reality show.
No idea if it's true or not....

Stepping back from this all for a moment and thinking generally.
I'm now five or six (eh? (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused002.gif)) 'High Class Escorts'

Lets link that to figures.
This may mean we earn from ?50/hour to ?5000+/hour. (or more, or less...)
Anything which would reveal our Whoring to the wide world
would have a work connected impact.
Sure, the 'fame' may command more Coin.
But the reverse being that some clients will now avoid us
specifically because of the media visibility.
Some clients hire me to go for dinner/a work function/three weeks skying in Aspen

because I am a pretty face, discrete and articulate too (least I am with spell-check switched on

)
This dynamic doesn't work where I was on telly last night giving a blowee (Mr Clients willy pixelated out).
Yeah Mr Client is really are gonna go for the full media exposure,
and I'm sure the film crew just behind me won't, um, put a, um... 'dampener' on things.
Not forgetting my face on the billboard and the banner on the number 19 bus...
I also feel that if my Escorting was made that public, both Putin and Obama
would feel compelled to drop me from their Christmas lists. $:-\$

Upside:
I get on the telly!

Downsides:
No editorial control/veto
Potential work reduction
Potential social stigma
Income for time involved in the production only in line with what I'm already earning.

This does not look like a sound business move, so for that reason, I'm out.

WeeScottishlassie · « **Reply #23 on:** 08 August 2013, 09:25:06 am »

Quote from: EscortsTheSeries on 07 August 2013, 08:25:44 am

With regards loosing clients because they wouldn't want to be seen with an outed sex work - even when I did MORE outcall bookings/ dinner dates the number of clients I was seen 'out and about' with was minuscule compared to the number that keep our activities to the bedroom (be it my place, their place, or a hotel). Whilst I appreciate this isn't necessarily the same for everyone, at the end of a day our work does usually go on behind closed doors. I don't think the bulk of MY clients will be worried about being seen with me because they are rarely, if ever, in public with me.

Whilst it is possible that a few may be put-off by their 'favorite girl' appearing on TV, I believe I will gain more clients than I loose - guys watching the show who are just itching to meet 'that girl'.

x

Well, yes many bookings are behind closed doors but everyone knowing your face will know exactly where you are and what you are doing.
Neighbours and locals watching who goes in and out of your abode. Hotel managers will snicker and check what rooms you go to in an Hotel. Maybe for the rest of your life!
I would require enough retirement money to even consider this.

Yes there are a good number of people who will pay good money to bonk you because you're famous, right up to the moment the next flavour of the month comes along.

It's not a way to gain a loyal and long term client base.

EscortsTheSeries · « **Reply #24 on:** 08 August 2013, 09:49:49 am »

Quote from: xw5 on 06 August 2013, 11:36:36 pm

Yep. And escorts who go undisguised on TV are potentially outing every client they have ever had.

XW5, could you please elaborate on this as I am not sure that I understand the concern.

The production co are not interested in the least in my 'black book'/clients that do not want to be featured in the series. This is not an expose. It is a series about escorts that are happy to share their world :-)

Is the concern one of association? i.e that clients that have been seen 'out-and-about' with escorts are recognised and outed by association?

I think this is highly unlikely unless the escort in question had an incredibly well known client/s and was frequently photographed with him/them/in the media (in which case I doubt this show would be sensible project for said girl).

I have been on numerous dinner dates with clients (mostly ?normal? guys and the occasional ?celeb?/ HNWI) over the years and as I can barely remember their faces, I doubt bystanders in restaurants would remember 'that girl in the red dress and that guy in the jeans, over there in the corner, eating spaghetti'...

My regulars see me either at my home, their home, a hotel or an incall flat/location? we are rarely, if ever, seen in public together (and even if we are I refer you to the point above? who would remember me sitting in Starbucks having a coffee with a perfectly normal man)? accordingly I do not feel that I am outing anyone by association?

Your thoughts?

EscortsTheSeries · « **Reply #25 on:** 08 August 2013, 10:55:49 am »

Quote from: JodieTs on 07 August 2013, 11:12:00 pm

An exception
I've a friend who was one of the six people followed who starred in:
"My Transsexual Summer". She felt that the show got it right.
Because of the way the people in the show generally felt that what
ended up on screen was generally right and an accurate reflection of events.
With most reality shows that's not the case.

Back to the topic in hand.
Aussie Male Escort, "there's something about" the friend of your ex...
Yes that show was totally exploitative.
I don't know if she got suckered with the editing misrepresenting her
and it ending up very different to what she thought it was going to be.
But I know she picked up a lot of flak in the Trans forums for this,
despite her most likely having ZERO real editorial control.

She invited me to her Birthday party she held in an executive area
of Heaven, back in Jan 2010. She is totally lovely.
She was doing fine. A few years earlier she was thrown out of a 4 story window.
I read suggestions that this was linked to her being in that reality show.
No idea if it's true or not....

Hi Jodie, Hi Aussie Male Escort

Jodie, nice to hear of an exception to the general consensus that these shows are poorly made and exploitative.

Aussie Escort, sorry to hear about your friend that was involved in an exploitative show.

I think perhaps this illustrates just how much depends on the production company and their motives.

Yes, obviously these shows are produced to make money, nobody would deny that. That said after long hours talking and discussing the concept I am convinced that the Exec Producer (Simone Andreae) in question not only wants to make a profitable show but one that is also representative and something both he and the 'cast' can stand behind professionally and be happy with.

A brief note on Simon (exec producer):

He was a founding partner in UK independent production company Optomen Television which launched the careers of Jamie Oliver and Gordon Ramsay (1991 ? 2001), Head of Science, Education and Religious Programming at Channel Four (2002 ? 2005), and Senior Vice President of The Discovery Channel in Los Angeles (2010 ? 2013). He?s also the recipient of numerous awards, including from BAFTA, The Royal Television Society, The New York Film and Television Festivals, and the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.

He has experience of successfully producing difficult to access concepts, most recently Warlocks Rising.

All that considered I am convinced this series has the makings of an exception to the rule and will result in something worthy. This is not the first time I have been approached by 'the media' (not necessarily about TV but other formats) but it is the first time I have said "yes" because I believe it will be produced sympathetically and collaboratively.

My experience thus far is one of partnership and I feel I will be able to portray my work/life accurately.

My suggestion is for those who are interested to get in touch and discuss with the production team. No amount of supposition on a forum can replace a genuine discussion of concerns and the opportunity :-)A brief rejoinder to Jodie's list of upsides/downsides

Upsides:

I get involved in project that has meaning to me (opportunity to show just how normal, liberating, difficult, fun, emotional, empowering, destructive escorting can be)
I get involved in a project that is a life experience, I meet people I wouldn't have otherwise met, learn about stuff, generally broaden horizons
I get involved in a project that I believe will be lucrative
I get involved in a project that someone will film, with or without me, and get to shape/influence what is shot

Downsides:

It could be considered controversial

Personally I do not court fame or controversy (promise) but this show appeals because I actually want to be open about my life as an escort and to have it accepted as normal by those around me. Perhaps it does take something of a devil-may-care attitude to stand and say "this is who I am and this is what I do" but actually I think it is more about ease with oneself AND a determination to get the end result right.

amy · « **Reply #26 on:** 08 August 2013, 11:23:24 am »

Quote from: EscortsTheSeries on 08 August 2013, 10:55:49 am

Personally I do not court fame or controversy (promise) but this show appeals because I actually want to be open about my life as an escort and to have it accepted as normal by those around me. Perhaps it does take something of a devil-may-care attitude to stand and say "this is who I am and this is what I do" but actually I think it is more about ease with oneself AND a determination to get the end result right.

Right, I've had about enough of this ridiculous inference that anybody who does not want to announce themselves as a prostitute on national television must be either ashamed of their job or themselves, or lack confidence in some way - many of us are open about our lives but don't see any need to either risk our anonymity (there's a huge difference between people we know knowing about us, and people we not only don't know, but have no way of knowing) and this, as far as I'm concerned at least, is not actually limited to sex work. I would not want to compromise my privacy full stop, and snide remarks about how you're so terribly daring and liberated (and we no doubt are cowering miserably in a corner battling with the shame and disgust of our daily existence) are not doing you any favours.

If you want to try to engender some sort of celebrity status for yourself, then that is entirely up to you - I personally can't think of anything more tedious but each to their own. That, however, is not representative of either the industry or the people who work in it, and any TV programme who claims it is (and I note that the programme is intended to be 'glamourous', which speaks volumes about what the production team think our job is like) is either deluded or only interested in hearing about the stuff they want to include. As AME says above, the only way a programme like this would be a ratings winner would be if the content was nothing to do with reality and everything to do with giving the public what they want.

And please don't try to paint it as doing the industry a service either. From the sound of things it's just going to be Secret Diary 2 with even worse acting, and we didn't need the first one.

Quote from: EscortsTheSeries on 08 August 2013, 10:55:49 am

He was a founding partner in UK independent production company Optomen Television which launched the careers of Jamie Oliver and Gordon Ramsay

I think you'll find that was the River Cafe and La Gavroche.

EscortsTheSeries · « **Reply #27 on:** 08 August 2013, 11:32:29 am »

Quote from: WeeScottishlassie on 08 August 2013, 09:25:06 am

Well, yes many bookings are behind closed doors but everyone knowing your face will know exactly where you are and what you are doing.
Neighbours and locals watching who goes in and out of your abode.

Hi ScottishLassie,

I guess this is the nub of why I am involved... Having thought long and hard about the prospect of people (in general, as in the public) knowing that I am an escort/having them consider the possibility that I am on my way to a booking isn't cataclysmic to me (I am NOT suggesting for one minute that girls who want to remain anonymous are wrong - I am simply sharing my perspective and looking for others who have a similar POV).

The people that are nearest and dearest to me, the ones I DO care about, all know I am a hooker and we get along just fine.

As for the practical implications of neighbours and others knowing about me, yes I have considered that in the immediate wake of the show there may be some curtain twitching/situations to be dealt with... we deal with situations every day... every time we side step a question about our work/are evasive about where we were last night/rent a flat etc etc etc... Personally I would actually welcome the opportunity to stop being evasive and use the energy I expend deflecting random/general/well-meaning enquiries into my life by strangers into resolving the underlying reason for my evasiveness :-)

Quote from: WeeScottishlassie on 08 August 2013, 09:25:06 am

Hotel managers will snicker and check what rooms you go to in an Hotel. Maybe for the rest of your life!

I am pretty sure most hotel manager snicker anyway

Quote from: WeeScottishlassie on 08 August 2013, 09:25:06 am

Yes there are a good number of people who will pay good money to bonk you because you're famous, right up to the moment the next flavour of the month comes along.

It's not a way to gain a loyal and long term client base.

No, you are right it is not a way to win a long term client base.

Clients are fickle and will visit whomever they so please/is available as the mood/availability takes them. This has ever been the case. The way to win a long term client base is by being good at your job - don't see why being on TV will stop me being good at my job and maintaining/making new clients (given that most of my work is in private not public and the implications for my clients, in my opinion, are limited to non-existent).

EscortsTheSeries · « **Reply #28 on:** 08 August 2013, 11:52:26 am »

Amy,

Truely apologise for antagonising you. Wasn't my intent.

Thank you for your time moderating this post and my thanks to the other contributors for their thoughts.

If my comments do resonate with forum members/readers we would be delighted to hear from you.

Otherwsie I'll leave it there

Have a good day all and be busy

Caledonia · « **Reply #29 on:** 08 August 2013, 05:56:27 pm »

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