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Re: Aberdeen - Grampian Police & Escorts on tour
« Reply #30 on: 17 March 2012, 12:37:05 pm »
I think michelle and tastybbw want to provoke this type of reaction. They seem to have a very low opinion of wgs which is odd considering they are also wgs.

I'm in Scotland permanently and touch wood have never had this happen to me. I would also never presume to throw my opinions about in such an offensive way as michele/tastbbw.

Sorry to hear of your experience danielle and good for you that you stood up for yourself.

I hope things improve soon for Ladies in this area.

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Re: Aberdeen - Grampian Police & Escorts on tour
« Reply #31 on: 17 March 2012, 12:43:44 pm »
Danielle that is awful , really sorry this happened to you . All may not be lost though, i have loads of experience of CRBS including as part of an umbrella body registered to do them . You could apply for a crb  for yourself as a self employed person / consultant whatever . Then only you and the agency you pay to do this will have a copy. If this prossie thing appears on your crb, you can go through complaints / appeal system to have it removed. Hope this helps . PM if you have any questions re this.
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« Reply #32 on: 17 March 2012, 01:05:29 pm »
I read the original replies from Michelle and could just feel a little ...  :FF coming on.

Michelle, allow me to explain this to you in very simple terms.

Yes, the police have set out in lovely flowery language about how they only want to ensure the safety of sex
workers and that's why they are doing these "welfare visits", perhaps you would be kind enough to enlighten
me as to how having a lady on her own thrown out of her lodgings in the dead of night is ensuring her safety ?
Particularly when hotels in some areas have a nasty habit of sending each other details of said lady so she hasn't
got a hope in hell of getting anywhere else to stay, except a B & B I wouldn't put my cat in if she's lucky ?

You see, what is happening is this - plod roll up to the hotel and naturally the night manager will want to know why
they are there. "We're here to visit the prostitute in room 321". Naturally, the night manager is going to want the
lady out, so although the police are not DIRECTLY responsible for ejecting the lady, when asked to do so by the
hotel management, they will do so.

Also Michelle, I'd invite you to read before you speak too, in particular this thread on Punternet, with contributions
from several well known independent escorts as to what is going on. Link here.

Still, as you said yourself, it doesn't matter to you anyway, does it ? I'm sure you said -
"To be honest I really don?t care!"

... which says it all.

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Re: Aberdeen - Grampian Police & Escorts on tour
« Reply #33 on: 17 March 2012, 02:28:14 pm »
Reading through these posts I got confused and thought Michelle and TastyBBW were one and the same - same writing style, same ranting!

Simply because we share the same opinion does not make us the same person.

I think michelle and tastybbw want to provoke this type of reaction. They seem to have a very low opinion of wgs which is odd considering they are also wgs.

I don't have a low opinion about sex works, i simply have a opinion on workers that breaks the law in general regardless of their jobs.

And i will be the first to admit, this blog has definitely gotten a little out off control, i was simply expressing my opinion and if the fact i don't agree with most people about the police, If my opinion has offends people i sincerely apologise apologise, There is no point arguing with anyone about their opinion, as having a opinion is a right we all have regardless is its a good or a bad one, i personally have not experienced or personally know any other sex worker who has experienced the harassment stated in this forum.
I guess i could be qualified as biased as i know a fair amount of police officers and i have police friends.
TastyBBW

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Re: Aberdeen - Grampian Police & Escorts on tour
« Reply #34 on: 17 March 2012, 02:51:01 pm »
Danielle that is awful , really sorry this happened to you . All may not be lost though, i have loads of experience of CRBS including as part of an umbrella body registered to do them . You could apply for a crb  for yourself as a self employed person / consultant whatever . Then only you and the agency you pay to do this will have a copy. If this prossie thing appears on your crb, you can go through complaints / appeal system to have it removed. Hope this helps . PM if you have any questions re this.

Unfortunately when the NHS do a CRB it is a full disclosure which will also include any notes the police think might be usefull to them.  so even if I have not been arrested or prosecuted this can be put on my CRB.  I can hardly fight it or deny it considering they turned up with a copy of my profile and by law I had to give them my real name or I would have been comitting an offense. 
This happened to me over a year ago and was the reason I have not toured since although I am just getting the nerve up to start again but wil be missing out on Scotland completely.  My advice is if you do tour there, make sure you go by car so you have somewhere to sleep or just drive home, make sure you put your money in the bank every day (the police will keep it) and do not give your hotel or apartment name to anyone until they have arrived in an area where you can see them and ensure they are not the police.
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Re: Aberdeen - Grampian Police & Escorts on tour
« Reply #35 on: 17 March 2012, 03:03:25 pm »
Unfortunately when the NHS do a CRB it is a full disclosure which will also include any notes the police think might be usefull to them.  so even if I have not been arrested or prosecuted this can be put on my CRB.  I can hardly fight it or deny it considering they turned up with a copy of my profile and by law I had to give them my real name or I would have been comitting an offense. 


But I think the point is that why should your record hold info that you're a prostitute when prostitution is not illegal? That's what I think Hot Pepper meant when she said you can appeal.

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« Reply #36 on: 17 March 2012, 03:13:04 pm »
Exactly,sorry if i was unclear . I know people who we did crbs for have things removed that if they were true would amount to serious criminality , but police couldn't prove, it is totally their ( police) discretion to decide what is relevant for disclosure   
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Re: Aberdeen - Grampian Police & Escorts on tour
« Reply #37 on: 17 March 2012, 03:16:58 pm »
Thanks Laura for posting the PN link - the corresponding SAAFE thread for the newer members is here. Also related, although concerning Customs rather than the Police is Mariah's thread from last December relating to her being detained at Aberdeen airport and having her earnings confiscated.

Danielle, thanks for posting - it must have been a horrible experience and I'm not surprised it put you off touring. Your post mirrors exactly what other ladies who have had the same happen to them have said and many were too frightened and upset to stand up for themselves the way you did (no-one who is not under arrest has to to consent to being photographed as far as I know, unless the law in Scotland specifically regarding this is different to the rest of the UK).

TastyBBW, I would like to make it clear that my earlier post was directed squarely at Michelle and not yourself - if you have had no negative experiences working as a resident in Aberdeen then that's great, and long may it continue. Your information is very helpful,  because it makes it clear to us all that it is touring ladies visiting from other areas that the police are specifically targeting (and when I went I only saw punters with credible AW feedback or PN reports and had no problems at all although it was hardly an ideal situation and I was still a nervous wreck every time the outside door of the apartments went; I even set up a camcorder near the door ready for Youtube just in case). On this basis, I would ask that you read the other threads and posts from the ladies who were affected and imagine how horrible it would feel if you were hundreds of miles from home by yourself and had forked out hundreds of pounds on travel and accommodation to be humiliated, thrown out of the place you are staying and treated like a criminal when you had done nothing wrong. I remember an incidence of one lady being refused check in at her hotel and turned away when she arrived (in Dundee, I think), so the 'complaints from the hotel' argument they've been using really doesn't wash.

I do think a basic 'bust card' type guide to your rights if visited by the police would be helpful - we have them for English law, but I don't know anyone with a good enough knowledge of Scottish law. Maybe SCOT-PEP could help?

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Re: Aberdeen - Grampian Police & Escorts on tour
« Reply #38 on: 18 March 2012, 04:23:53 am »
Can the police actually take money from a working girl???That's bad. Danielle, I am so sorry about what has happened to you. x

You weren't arrested so I doubt anything will show on a crb. Police will not share all their intelligence on people.
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« Reply #39 on: 18 March 2012, 08:20:33 am »
From what I understand they can seize any monies they believe to be proceeds of lifestyle crime under POCA. There doesn't have to be any proof, or charges brought and they can hold it indefinitely.

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Re: Aberdeen - Grampian Police & Escorts on tour
« Reply #40 on: 18 March 2012, 03:09:08 pm »

You weren't arrested so I doubt anything will show on a crb. Police will not share all their intelligence on people.

Unfortunately they will share anything they think is relevant for the job you need the CRB for.  The NHS has a big NO NO for those who have worked in the paid sex industry and the police can put it at the bottom of my notes especially considering it is the only notes they have on me as have not even had a parking fine before.
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Can I also add to this thread that in Scotland you do NOT have to give your real name unless the police have reason to believe an offence has been/is likely to be comitted (I found this out afterwards).  It is however an offense to give a false name.  This is the same if they stop and search you.  Unless they are going to caution and arrest you, you do not have to give your name.  Do this politely though i.e I have been legally informed not to give you my details unless arrested and in the presence of my solicitor.  If you say I do not have to give it to you they will more than likely just arrest you for obstruction in their investigations so the first way is the way to avoid this (basically they have no charges to be brought and you stating to give your name in front of a solicitor after being arrested shows you know this and they cannot arrest you for no reason). 
Do not under any circumstances allow them to take your photo as this is invasion of privacy and they cannot do this without either a warrant or you being charged and the photo taken at the station. 
They do not search your clothes so if you cannot get to the bank hide your money in amongst your lingerie (again they cannot search without probable cause (the belief a crime has been comitted or will be) or a warrant.  Keep your bad packed at all times so if they turn up you can just walk out and say you are leaving and you are glad they are here as you might need them to ensure you get a refund from the hotel/apartments as you do not want there to be any arguments etc (they cannot refuse if they think there might be a breach of the peace).
Remember you have not broken the law and therefor they cannot justify treating you as such (I was ignorant of most of the facts so I did not know most of this but as am touring again have made sure I have found out the laws here, in Scotland and in Eire

Also they do try to take your money but legally the police cannot take it unless they are charging you with a crime.  Customs are different and can take it and anything else they choose to take and you can appeal and they normally give it back unless they decide to charge you with a crime which unless you have ?10,000 or more they would fine hard to do (anything more than that in cash can be seen as laundering)

edited........not doing anything today so will see if I can find a bust card for scotland as I know I have seen one for those who travel to Scotland for demonstrations.  Most of the same would apply
« Last Edit: 18 March 2012, 03:14:48 pm by Danielle_xx »
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Re: Aberdeen - Grampian Police & Escorts on tour
« Reply #41 on: 18 March 2012, 03:29:39 pm »
bust card

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« Last Edit: 18 March 2012, 03:36:12 pm by Danielle_xx »
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Re: Aberdeen - Grampian Police & Escorts on tour
« Reply #42 on: 22 March 2012, 11:53:27 am »
If you don't give the right advice and information about why these girls are raided
From what I've read on forums, the police equally target British escorts.