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Ieaio

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #30 on: 09 March 2015, 10:55:43 pm »
I feel like there is already no stigma in this job, there is a prossie in every corner, look type escort in google...or london escort.

I suppose there is a difference to caring about the stigma & receiving stigma. Past month alone i've had people delete me off facebook, shun me etc just because of my job. I'm sat here acting like it's the most normal job in the world to me because it is lol

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #31 on: 10 March 2015, 12:52:49 am »
In my opinion the stigma without a doubt drives up the rates we can charge and clients will pay.  Essentially, prostitutes are paid a very high "premium" for work that the majority of their society believes will have an incredibly detrimental and damaging impact on every aspect of our future lives.  Whether it's true or not, most people would probably tell us we're ruining our chances of finding love/marriage, having a "real" career (ha) and being emotionally sound, not to mention the risk for STD's and physical violence that most non-sex workers believe run rampant in our industry.  Because of the huge negative stigma we are seen as sacrificing so much of our futures and are compensated accordingly.  In my country prostitution is illegal and because of that the risk is obviously much greater.  Prices in my area are about double what I see people talking about here, and in major cities quadrupled.  I work with 2 agencies and independently and I've found I can charge whatever I want and clients who seek me out will pay.  One agency charges $300/hour and the other charges $600/hour, and my independent rates are in between the two.  Different markets/areas, but no lack of men (and some women) who are willing to pay what we ask despite lots of working girls available.  Now if all of us women were doing something that was safe, legal and completely normal we'd certainly not be making anywhere near these amounts, and not just because there would be more women signing up for the job.  I don't think any man would pay half his weekly paycheck for an hour of sex if it wasn't a secretive, underground service performed by someone willing to go against everything society has told him/her.  We wouldn't have any grounds to justify the high prices if selling our bodies wasn't stigmatized, marginalized and potentially illegal.  And honestly thank god for that, I'll take the calculated risk as long as it's worth the reward!

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #32 on: 10 March 2015, 01:01:46 am »
I lost friends because they started that job after they saw how much it changed me for the better and  now blame me because they did it the wrong way and hated it. They worked in cheap brothels having 20 men per day. I don't judge if you work like this but don't blame me if it doesn't work for you. However, they wouldn't have blamed me if I got them into being a waitress or modeling or whatsoever. Just because this work is so BAD, I am the one to blame now because they fall for the stigma again.
Same with drugs. Some people can cope with it---but damn it's your own decision if you take them so don't blame others who made you (if you're over 18 and a grown up).
I hate having this secret and not being able to talk about my job or receive some sort of open appreciation.
The problem is that everyone wants someone to be proud of.
I want a bfr who makes me proud with some of his achievements and who inspires me. That's what keeps him interesting for me apart from love.
Escorting can become so much fun and if you want to be truly good at something you have to spend a lot of time doing it.

So now comes the main problem in partnerships: How can you expect from your partner that he is proud of you? You can't really brag with your sexual achievements that you can give the best DT in town and how you make men fall for you as an escort or whatever. When in fact it is an achievement. But you're not supposed to feel it.

I know I have many talents and am successful in other ways and still, I am enjoying this job very much but can't take it into my CV or feel how others share my happiness about some achievements.  :(That's somehow a very sad thing.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #33 on: 10 March 2015, 01:07:35 am »
Chloinnyc I assume you live in NYC,
Wealthy Americans in general make more money. So they will pay more bc NYC is just the city for crazily driven business people and those ones use sex as a relaxation. They pay whatever bc they have it.
Same with Chicago and other business driven places. LA is far more relaxed, that;s why IME rates are lower.

It is illegal in Sweden and other countries and rates are still not like in NYC or some parts of the US.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #34 on: 10 March 2015, 01:24:01 am »
Yup, I'm in NYC.  The agency that charges the lower rates is on the outskirts and the one that charges the high rates covers mainly Manhattan/Brooklyn/Queens.  I swear the men in Manhattan will throw money around just to prove how rich they are, it's all about the ego.  Some girls on Eros charge $1000 PER HOUR and never leave the Upper East Side.  My rates are much more modest but I do realize I'm very lucky to have gotten my start here.

I also lived in LA (West Hollywood) and while I never escorted there I looked into it.  The rates seem about the same as NYC and many escorts and agencies are bicoastal between the two cities.  It seems the "look" that's in demand is different, LA is more blonde, large breast implants, impossibly small waisted sorority girl and PSE is in there, and NYC seems to prefer a natural look, more demure, impeccably dressed and cultured with GFE being in demand.  I attribute it to new money (LA) vs old money (NYC, especially uptown Manhattan where a lot of the escorting takes place).

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #35 on: 10 March 2015, 02:31:30 am »
You truly got me back in the mood for NYC:-)))) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Found the men there to be also genuinely family oriented. Not the most faithful, but then??I am promiscuous too.
I don't really like men in London--too secretive and they think they deserve everything for nothing bc there are too many gorgeous girls who go crazy when they see a little bit of money (mostly Eastern Europeans who look for a wealthy man). They are too spoiled and lost sight of what a woman is truly worth.
God, until I received my first present from my London ex bfr?.
In NY men literally throw gifts at you (as you said);-))))London men are far more superficial. NYC men look for the educated, classy type but care a lot more about personality and intelligence when it comes to their girlfriend's and strangely also escorts. But it might be just my perception and we all just shape our reality by our experiences.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #36 on: 10 March 2015, 06:58:36 am »
I think one difference may be that Americans are often very happy to see someone make a lot of money. As someone (Jeremy Clarkson?) said: "If you drive down the street in a Rolls Royce in America, people will say 'I'm going to get me one of those, one day.' but in England they sneer and say 'What a fucking wanker!'"

Another thing that pays much better in America is cleaning houses. Charging 40 dollars an hour is not unheard of. In the UK, the attitude is "Well, she's getting 10 pounds an hour, which is much more than minimum wage!" The thought that someone cleaning toilets may make more per hour than they do (they never take costs into account and assume it all goes into the cleaner's pocket) makes them feel resentful.

I have noticed that non-escorts over here (OK, I'm talking about punters) say things like "Why should a whore with no qualifications make more money than a surgeon?" They assume that we are in bookings 40 hours a week, or else they don't realise that sitting in lingerie by the phone so as to be available when needed is also part of our job and they never take overheads into account.


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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #37 on: 10 March 2015, 10:46:25 am »
But you go to places like Dubai & the Middle East and the average price is ?250 -?300 per hour
But there are escorts charging ?150 per hour

Qatar  your looking at ?350 -?400min per hour

Cairo ?250 and lovely guys as long as you screen before you go

I've found that places where it's illegal due to strong  religous beliefs are way more lucrative than places where it's illegal but everyone turns a blind eye



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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #38 on: 10 March 2015, 10:01:17 pm »
If any thing the stigma against prozzies is more likely to go up in society realistically speaking.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #39 on: 14 March 2015, 12:34:04 am »
I think one difference may be that Americans are often very happy to see someone make a lot of money. As someone (Jeremy Clarkson?) said: "If you drive down the street in a Rolls Royce in America, people will say 'I'm going to get me one of those, one day.' but in England they sneer and say 'What a fucking wanker!'"

Not without some justification though.  Most of the men who turn up in Porsches and Ferraris are arrogant tossers. Not all, but noticeably more than the regular guys are.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #40 on: 14 March 2015, 12:42:09 am »
I think one difference may be that Americans are often very happy to see someone make a lot of money. As someone (Jeremy Clarkson?) said: "If you drive down the street in a Rolls Royce in America, people will say 'I'm going to get me one of those, one day.' but in England they sneer and say 'What a fucking wanker!'"

Not without some justification though.  Most of the men who turn up in Porsches and Ferraris are arrogant tossers. Not all, but noticeably more than the regular guys are.

Completely agree
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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #41 on: 14 March 2015, 08:01:58 am »
But in America, such people are less likely to be perceived that way. It's a general attitude towards success, I think.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #42 on: 14 March 2015, 11:30:39 am »
If any thing the stigma against prozzies is more likely to go up in society realistically speaking.

Interesting thought, why do you think?

Stigma is definitely alive and kicking. In my English class this week a brief discussion of prostitutes revealed I was surrounded by (including the tutor) people who despise "disease ridden whores", it's funny that even if I told them what I do (I never would) they would probably never believe me, I don't fit their image at all
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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #43 on: 15 March 2015, 07:42:25 pm »

Interesting thought, why do you think?

Stigma is definitely alive and kicking. In my English class this week a brief discussion of prostitutes revealed I was surrounded by (including the tutor) people who despise "disease ridden whores", it's funny that even if I told them what I do (I never would) they would probably never believe me, I don't fit their image at all

When I tell people what I do I am often told that I don't look like an escort. I think you're expected to look like billie piper in a designer suit or a street walker. I spend my time in jeans, trainers and hoodies lol

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #44 on: 16 March 2015, 09:40:03 pm »
I don't really think it would make much difference although it could actually raise prices as more men would be inclined to give it a try whereas I don't think more women would be doing the job.  Those who are inclined to do it already do.  You either can have sex with men you don't fancy or you cant and many women cant.  If they could they would have already thought about doing this job.  Yes a few more might do it but not enough to make any difference.

The price we charge is not because of the stigma (all my family and friends know), it is too ignore the fact that the man we are being paid to have sex with is not to our taste, is not someone we would ever normally sleep with and who we are very rarely attracted to and also to ensure discretion.  We get these rates because not only will we happily make their fantasies come true which most wives/partners/GFs wont do all the time and also because we will never contact them or turn up at their door or cause them any issues like a Mistress or FB might. 

It is the act itself and the walking away after we get paid so much for and not the stigma.  (how many people think about the stigma when they set their prices?  I didn't.  I didn't think Ok I will charge X amount as that will make up for what other people may think of me, I thought I will charge X amount as that is the least I will take for having sex with men I am not attracted to in any way)
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